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What was the guy wearing before he was duped into buying the new "wool suit" ??

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I started reading, I yawned and edited a quick filter violation and am still left wondering why ***ATTENTION All Hunters NEED TO READ THIS! ? ? ? ? ? ?:eek:

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HI YA Rob... Welcome to the party.. Usually I skip anything I HAVE TO READ. But boredom won me over!

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Maybe his old one, or he's still wearing the old one.

If I go out and buy everything new this year it will not make me a better hunter, it might allow me to hunt longer,but if I'm not a good hunter all ready that might just mean I'm going to watch finches fly around for a few more hours.:D

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I think the funniest part of these types of threads is that they're done on a message board that is sustained by the very industry that is so sorely despised by so many people that contribute to it. If it wasn't for the revenue generated by the evil hunting industry that has ruined the sport for so many of you guys, we wouldn't be able to afford to have such a great place for you to all gather together and complain about it.

Party anyone?

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Nobody in the "Hunting Industry" comes by my house, holds a gun to my head and makes me buy their stuff. I buy what I want because I can and I don't buy stuff Idon't want. If I had 1000 acres in Pike County IL, I would make money on it, as would most people. I could care less how "rich" people get selling aproduct as long as it is legit.

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I think it would take a whole week to type a response to this one... I'll pass!

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That's the best point I have read so far on here Justin!!!! I just hate when people lump everyone togather. I can't find a farm to hunt because nobody lets you hunt for free?? Funny I am hunting a farm in Illinois that I don't pay a dime for good old fashioned hard work!! Get off your butts and go knock on doors for a whole weekend and make it happen. All video's are not shot on outfitted hunts, ours has no outfitters in it and all the hunters are everyday working guys frm around the country that just love to hunt big bucks!! Walt
PS. I would love to know what kind of bow and arrows you shoot and why you bought it?

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It's the work of satan.:D

I can honestly say not one item I have for fishing or hunting was bought because of a celebrity endorsing it.

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I think valid points have been made here. When any sport/activity increases in popularity, the cost is going to go up. Given. It's up to us to buy into it or not. So-called spokesmen will be on TV telling everyone how they do it and why they are successful. When sponsers get involved, these so-call experts are paid to attribute success to the product they are pushing. The bows, camo, scent-lok, optics, boots, stands, blinds..................the list goes on and on have now became the reasons for their success.
Very little is discussed and rarelywill you findsuccess attributed to preperation, practice, scouting, during season or in the off season, woodsmanship, knowing the herd or the land from these so-called experts.I imagine the reason is because the sponsors now own them and the "industry" and they dictate what is said and what is done while the experts are in front of the camera. You either choose to buy into it or you choose to see it for what it really is. It really depends on what hunting means to you and what you want it to mean to your kids.

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The problem is not enough quality hunting oppurtunities. More state agencies need to aline their regulations with sound QDM practices. That way public land hunting would be much better. Also, deer hunters pay the the vast majority of license fees in most states. So, state agencies should try to open more public land to provide quality hunting oppertunities for deer hunters. As for the Outdoor Channel and the Hunting DVD's, I like a lot of them. Especially, Michael Waddell's, the Drury Boy's, and Primos, but I don't like watching high fence hunts anywhere. But, what's more important is that a large percentage of the 180 or so middle school boysI have in my P.E. classes love to watch these shows. In a world where there is so many things trying to get kid's attention the Outdoor channel and Hunting DVD's help to attract kids to our sport. So, take a child hunting or fishin' cause if Bill Jordan ain't makin money, we probably ain't huntin' either.

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I have nnot purchased one hunting item because some hunting celebrity endorsed it. I usually buy it because it is on sale LOL?

I have purchased a couple of things due to what I read on these forums though.

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Sad, but true. Ive seen the almighty buck ruin hunting.

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Said it before, and I'll say it again, "jealousy is an ugly thing"!!!

Its easy to be a bit jealous of the opportunities afforded to others, but I'm sure some of them deserve it, so we can paint all Pro-staffers, or the industry with the same broad brush!

Would I like to be in their shoes?Of course I would!!! Who on this forum would not want to make a living hunting and talkingabout hunting?

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MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have stated on here before after talking with people that do it I wouldn't want to.

Much rather be able to hunt good area's without the pressure.

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Here's my view on "pro-staffers" or whatever you want to call them. It all boils down to marketing certainproducts and selling them. These peopleare ableto draw attention to themselves because of their hunting ability AND their ability to sell. A lot of these guys/gals probably went to school for marketing or have hadsome other type of sales training somewhere. Their ability to promote is better than the average person, not that they are "better" hunters than everyone else. Is Mike Waddela better hunter than I am? Probably, but he has spent 100 times more time in the woods than I have. I would hope that Mike would be good at hunting since that is part of his job. The majority of professionals are all the same, they excell at their sport AND have the ability to sell products. Should these professionals be praised? I know know, but they are just doing their jobs which can be hard work sometimes doing shows/seminars etc. If anyone gets mad at these peoplefor doing their job I think it isfor the most partjealously. Most of these guys have worked their a$$es off to get where they are today so I believe they should get at least a little bit of respect.

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Though I rarely watch hunting shows(I'm pretty picky) and I never buy hunting videos anymore I did some serious thinking on what it would be like to be a hunting celebrity. Here is how I envision it:

Meeting and representing the manufacturers who help advertise and help pay for your lifestyle.

Traveling to the various stores for autographs and giving seminars. Traveling throughout the country visiting all the stores that back me doesn't sound like a dream job to me.

Putting on a big smile for the cameras and the public. (insert grouch here)

Attending various deer classics, ATA show, and other various functions throughout the year.

Being away from the family for many days of the year.

The actual hunting itself would be icing on the cake but I think I'll take the way I hunt(being a non-celebrity) over all of that any day of the week.

Sounds like a job to me.;)

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I really dont understand why people get so worked up over pro staffers/pro hunters...Sure maybe they arent the best hunters out there...Who cares?!And if you have a problem with them telling you what products to buy...dont buy them...I love living in a country where people can get rich doing what they love...I enjoy watching hunting and fishing on tv and it would be my dream to be able to make a living in the hunting/fishing industry...

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Hey, thanks for wasting my time with your whining and crying by luring me in with your "All hunters need to read this" nonsense.

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I hope everybody reads what you just wrote here. It is one of the best things I've read.

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I don't watch hunting shows. What is a "Pro-Staffer?

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Thanks annika3.

Me, too. I'd rather make it rich, retire at40 (too late)and hunt anonymously. LOL.

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WHY DO WE ALLOW AMBIGUOUS TITLES?

like...

1) check this out!

2) what?

3) Attention all hunters need to read this!

For the author:
"All it takes for evil men to win is for good men to do nothing." If you trulyfeel as you do, do something about it. Start a campaign, create an anti-pro-staffer website, better yet educate a friend. Be forewarned, human nature for the most part doesn't take kindly to opinionsthat differ fromtheir own. But, I didn't need to tell you that.

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I know! I use to go out west every year to do some elk hunting but the cost of the license is getting way out of hand for my checkbook! It really sucks because elk hunting is one of the most challenging things i've ever done bow hunting.

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I remember when gas was .20 cents a gallon and the gas stations would have "gas wars" where they each would keep dropping the price below the other to attract customers. My dad would get to work and back for a week on 2 or 3 dollars. Yesterday I put $20 (a bit over 6 gallons). I also remember we could just about hunt anywhere for free. Yes times have changed but I suppose they always have and will. I get mad sometimes when I think about how much leases are going for but I don't fault the landowner. His land. He should be able to do with it or make money with how he chooses as long as its legal. I don't get mad at pro staffers. I'd be doing it if I had the chance. I don't get mad at companies or their marketing. They'd be foolish not to market a product people will buy. ANY product that is successful is primarily because enough people find worth in it. If the product is not good, it will have a short lifespan. I actually am somewhat glad we have big business reliant on the hunting population because at some point our hunting privelages become as important to them as they are us. Take us out of the picture and the business will most definitely suffer. I've never bought one item based on a celebrity hunter. I have bought things based on fellow hunters, many here, have said. I do not think you need the newest, or best bow. Nor the newest, best camo. Certainly not carbon clothing. Any you really don't need the big expensive lease. I use products because I WANT to. I use them because they may help in hunting and certainly don't hurt. I've hunted public land and had a great time and harvested deer. Will having the newest, fastest, bestest, camoest, scent-eliminatingest, or biggest, most expensivest lease mean you will harvest P&Y's. No. But sometimes things coupled with your hunting skills may up your odds of success. If you want to hunt, you can. It may not be the King Ranch or some Iowa honeyhole but I've found even hunting less than ideal situations is still better than not hunting at all. I've gotten my son into hunting and am quite grateful for the small areas I've found to let him experience a bit of hunting. Well, thats my thoughts anyway.

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Damn near hasin IL!

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Thats my buddy right there ;)
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Well, they are not going to charge more than what hunters are willing to pay. Can't blame someone for responding to consumer demand.

I do hate to see the cost of hunting rising. Andthe little guys will probably be priced out of the market, with respect to hunting land. For example, the farm I hunt on leases the majorityof thehunt-able acreage to guys fromSt. Louis. Why?Two reasons. 1) $10/acre adds up real fast. 2) The last group of hunters thathunted for free took advantage of the situationandput the landowner in a badspot.(Maybe this goes back to GMMAT's post about hunters having a sizeable number of unsavorycharacters. But I digress.)

Looking at those two factors - added income, less headache - how can you blame the landowner/farmer?Yes, the implication is that some of us, myself included, cannot afford to lease quality hunting ground.We must rely on the mercy of others.And thegovernment in providing public land. :D

The supply of hunting ground is not increasing, so demand is the only thing that could change. And is there ever going to be a decrease in demand? Only if there arefewer hunters.

Butthe common complaint where I live is not that the professional hunters are driving up the cost of land, but that the city people are driving up the cost of land when they are willing to pay thousands to hunt a certain piece of land for 10 days in November.

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Some of us are just hunters. We say it as we see it. I don't have a problem with the way he did it.

I think we're doing pretty good considering it should'nt be much more than grunting.:D

In case tou didn't catch it he is doing something right here, talking to other would be supporters of the industry. Unless your a pro whatever, what he's saying can be a benifit to hunters. Cant hurt.

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I don't know where you come from, but in the U.S. it's called marketing. If you don't like it leave, I do.

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This being a business controlled by the industry makes it a perfect place to say it then. A persons place to speak back to the industry.A business can listen or not. What do you think a smart business would do?

Over the years in my work I've given millions to a company that listens, those that didn’t pennies. Respect and disrespect go a long way, up to the seller to decide the direction.

There are 2 kinds of people, the customer and the seller. The customer spends their money and expects to get its worth. The seller does their best to defend its practices, in other words if the consumer complains the seller will do their best to blow off the customer. On the net that often comes in the form of ridicule.

These 2 things are how I've come to judge the sincerity of post in these forms. It influences what I buy and how I talk about a product given the chance. Again it’s up to the seller to decide the direction of the conversation.

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Of course I would let you and Ivan hunt on my prime property even though you guys kicked me out of the truck that day going 50mph down a gravel road.BAM![quote]ORIGINAL: bloodcreek

Thats my buddy right there ;)
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My $800 Bow Tech is legit, my $75 a dozen arrows are legit, my $100 Muck Boots are legit, ect. ect. Now some stuff is junk.But you can check these forums and for every product every discussed here on HNI you will find people they work for and others they don't work for. That is why we have a "choice" to purchase or not. I have bought many things that later on I thought were not worth the money, but I would not say they were not legit.

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I am not a non religious person but they way I see it, my interpertation of that psalm you quotedis the lord shall privide us with what we need... Need and greed are two different things..And as to your response it seems you are a hypocritical bible thumper.......

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