Is the lack of handshock over hyped?
#21
Dominant Buck
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From: land of the Lilliputians, In the state of insanity
Its never bothered me. I started shooting long ago with trad gear. light weight trad bow set above 60 lbs will jump right out of your hand.
#22
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Do the majority of you even know what "Handshock" is? What is it?Seriously....... Is it recoil? Is it vibration?
It's an overrated made up term that is simply a product of bow geometry combined with energy output and in reality will be felt in varying degrees by all shooters anyway because we all grip a bow slightly differently.
Has nothing to do with how accurate a bow is or can be.
Do the majority of you even know what "Handshock" is? What is it?Seriously....... Is it recoil? Is it vibration?
It's an overrated made up term that is simply a product of bow geometry combined with energy output and in reality will be felt in varying degrees by all shooters anyway because we all grip a bow slightly differently.
Has nothing to do with how accurate a bow is or can be.
I agree that it will not be eliminated completely, and the way we grip our bow will have an impact on that.
You and Rick James certainly know what you're talking about. You guys have FAR more experience w/ that than I, so when you guys speak I listen. I'm just not sure I agree with you 100% on this one.
#23
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From: Blissfield MI USA
Technically it shouldn't matter if you have good form and release. You should not be holding the bow anyway, it should jump free of your hand at the shot. Which is why you should use a wrist sling or finger sling.
However I prefere a bow that doesn't jump at the shot, I can shoot just as well with either, but like a bow that is dead on the shot. I don't even need a sling with my bowtech, it just lays there after the shot.
Paul
However I prefere a bow that doesn't jump at the shot, I can shoot just as well with either, but like a bow that is dead on the shot. I don't even need a sling with my bowtech, it just lays there after the shot.
Paul
#24
Giant Nontypical
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It's all a matter of comfort. Some guys have a great tolerance for handshock. Some have none at all. I'm one of the latter. I dislocated the big joint at the base of my thumb playing basketball in college and it's never been right since. Even now, 37 years later,it still gives me fits. I almostswitched to shooting lefty because of it.Shooting a shocky bow HURTS. You're not ever going to shoot a bow well if you've got the little gremlins buzzing around in the back of your head while you aim, telling you how bad it's going to hurt when you dump that string.
#25
ORIGINAL: mobow
Over hyped? Hell no. In fact, i don't think there is enough emphasis on it. Not only is it not fun to shoot, it also effects accuracy.
Over hyped? Hell no. In fact, i don't think there is enough emphasis on it. Not only is it not fun to shoot, it also effects accuracy.
I agree that it is overhyped but I do like to rid the bow of vibration but not to the degree people think is neceassary nowadays.
I remember having to loctite every screw on the bow not too many years ago and now it isn't even a concern because the vibration is almost eliminated.
That does help in the accuracy department from 1 standpoint because less shakes loose. and less to worry about.
#26
Typical Buck
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From: USA
Arthur, I can understand your pain. It is really no different than flinching at the shot because your .338 Win mag hurts like hell when you pull the trigger.
Possibly I am wrong with this, but I think there are two factors that people often get confused. Recoil and hand shock. I perceive recoil to be the tendancy for a bow to jump forward out of your hand at the shot. Hand shock is the buzzing you feel afterwords (kind of like holding an orbital sander).
That being said, I prefer my bow to have some recoil at the shot, and very little hand shock. Regardless of the recoil, I use a wrist sling so the bow should not ever hit the ground. The recoil allows me to see how the bow has reacted to my last shot. It's more of a factor for a target bow, but if I torque the grip I can see the bow recoil in a way that is not inline with my shot.
The other thought is that regardless of the recoil or hand shock, by the time you feel it, the arrow is long gone. As long at it is not painful as in Arthur's case, it should not effect accuracy one iota. The exception to this is as Arthur mentioned if the bow is not tuned correctly (cams out of synch).
I think that people get too hung up on the hand shock issue. Any modern compound is more than dead enough in the hand to be accurate. While the parallel limb designs do offer significantly less recoil and vibration at the shot, I don't think they offer the same level of accuracy as a more traditional riser design.
Possibly I am wrong with this, but I think there are two factors that people often get confused. Recoil and hand shock. I perceive recoil to be the tendancy for a bow to jump forward out of your hand at the shot. Hand shock is the buzzing you feel afterwords (kind of like holding an orbital sander).
That being said, I prefer my bow to have some recoil at the shot, and very little hand shock. Regardless of the recoil, I use a wrist sling so the bow should not ever hit the ground. The recoil allows me to see how the bow has reacted to my last shot. It's more of a factor for a target bow, but if I torque the grip I can see the bow recoil in a way that is not inline with my shot.
The other thought is that regardless of the recoil or hand shock, by the time you feel it, the arrow is long gone. As long at it is not painful as in Arthur's case, it should not effect accuracy one iota. The exception to this is as Arthur mentioned if the bow is not tuned correctly (cams out of synch).
I think that people get too hung up on the hand shock issue. Any modern compound is more than dead enough in the hand to be accurate. While the parallel limb designs do offer significantly less recoil and vibration at the shot, I don't think they offer the same level of accuracy as a more traditional riser design.
#27
It's notimportant to me. All I do is hunt and practice for hunting. Yeah I'll shoot a lot of arrows but I never give it a second thought. I bit more hand shock in a bow that feels right and shoots well for me is not a deal breaker by any means, it's just how that particular bow shoots.
I think it's highly overrated.
I think it's highly overrated.
#28
hand shock is one of the things i look for in a bow . when i switched to a better bow than i was shooting it was more enjoyable to shoot and increased my accuracy
#29
Hand Shock and Vibration are not the same thing.
I don't want either in my hunting bow. I like a fast, quiet bow, that just sits there at the shot. I don't want it to jump forward (hand shock), and I don't want it to buzz in my hand (vibration).
I don't know anything about target bows, but for my hunting bow, the less hand shock, and the less vibration, the better.
I don't want either in my hunting bow. I like a fast, quiet bow, that just sits there at the shot. I don't want it to jump forward (hand shock), and I don't want it to buzz in my hand (vibration).
I don't know anything about target bows, but for my hunting bow, the less hand shock, and the less vibration, the better.


