Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
11-27-2007 | 06:56 PM
#91
Nontypical Buck
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From: Lake County, Il
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
Couldn't find any info re: the fences t EL Tecomate, but no mention of cattle either. Essentially it's a research ranch on seeds and farming methods to create lush food plots in a non-irrigated and arid environment. Their main business is selling food plot seeds and now the also sell real estate!
11-27-2007 | 07:31 PM
#92
Nontypical Buck
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From: Northwest suburbs, Illinois
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
This thread ran longer than I thought.. I feel the need to clarify some things.
Although I will not disagree that the t.v. show is relatively slow and boring for us bowhunters.. I must make some points about the Tecomonte ranch that are important to modern day hunting as a whole since many of our members have little awareness to what the tecomate ranch is.
It's basically a ranch owned by the founder of the tecomate seed company. His name escapes me but I want to say it's Gary (something). They do have many food plots and produce some whopper bucks. But even more importantly is the size of the bodies of the deer on this ranch. While much of Texas produces relatively smaller deer (compared to the midwest) the deer of the Tecomate ranch, along with a healthy diet, are much larger just in shear weight.. let alone antler size. The importance of the ranch has been very influential on modern deer hunting, whitetail management, whietail biology, and of course food plot management. Many of the most noted "whitetail experts" and biologists have studied (and hunted) at this ranch. In fact, many.. many magazine articles that you will read on whitetail and behavior come from this very ranch. For what it is.. it is an important part of whitetail research today.
This ranch also was one of the pioneers on research of a healthy 1:1 buck doe ratio which many on this forum understand ooohh sooo well.
Like I said.. yeah it's a pretty dull show for us bowhunters. But the ranch has had some importance on the way most of us "manage" or try to manage our own deer herd.
Although I will not disagree that the t.v. show is relatively slow and boring for us bowhunters.. I must make some points about the Tecomonte ranch that are important to modern day hunting as a whole since many of our members have little awareness to what the tecomate ranch is.
It's basically a ranch owned by the founder of the tecomate seed company. His name escapes me but I want to say it's Gary (something). They do have many food plots and produce some whopper bucks. But even more importantly is the size of the bodies of the deer on this ranch. While much of Texas produces relatively smaller deer (compared to the midwest) the deer of the Tecomate ranch, along with a healthy diet, are much larger just in shear weight.. let alone antler size. The importance of the ranch has been very influential on modern deer hunting, whitetail management, whietail biology, and of course food plot management. Many of the most noted "whitetail experts" and biologists have studied (and hunted) at this ranch. In fact, many.. many magazine articles that you will read on whitetail and behavior come from this very ranch. For what it is.. it is an important part of whitetail research today.
This ranch also was one of the pioneers on research of a healthy 1:1 buck doe ratio which many on this forum understand ooohh sooo well.
Like I said.. yeah it's a pretty dull show for us bowhunters. But the ranch has had some importance on the way most of us "manage" or try to manage our own deer herd.
11-27-2007 | 07:34 PM
#93
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels
This thread ran longer than I thought.. I feel the need to clarify some things.
Although I will not disagree that the t.v. show is relatively slow and boring for us bowhunters.. I must make some points about the Tecomonte ranch that are important to modern day hunting as a whole since many of our members have little awareness to what the tecomate ranch is.
It's basically a ranch owned by the founder of the tecomate seed company. His name escapes me but I want to say it's Gary (something). They do have many food plots and produce some whopper bucks. But even more importantly is the size of the bodies of the deer on this ranch. While much of Texas produces relatively smaller deer (compared to the midwest) the deer of the Tecomate ranch, along with a healthy diet, are much larger just in shear weight.. let alone antler size. The importance of the ranch has been very influential on modern deer hunting, whitetail management, whietail biology, and of course food plot management. Many of the most noted "whitetail experts" and biologists have studied (and hunted) at this ranch. In fact, many.. many magazine articles that you will read on whitetail and behavior come from this very ranch. For what it is.. it is an important part of whitetail research today.
This ranch also was one of the pioneers on research of a healthy 1:1 buck doe ratio which many on this forum understand ooohh sooo well.
Like I said.. yeah it's a pretty dull show for us bowhunters. But the ranch has had some importance on the way most of us "manage" or try to manage our own deer herd.
This thread ran longer than I thought.. I feel the need to clarify some things.
Although I will not disagree that the t.v. show is relatively slow and boring for us bowhunters.. I must make some points about the Tecomonte ranch that are important to modern day hunting as a whole since many of our members have little awareness to what the tecomate ranch is.
It's basically a ranch owned by the founder of the tecomate seed company. His name escapes me but I want to say it's Gary (something). They do have many food plots and produce some whopper bucks. But even more importantly is the size of the bodies of the deer on this ranch. While much of Texas produces relatively smaller deer (compared to the midwest) the deer of the Tecomate ranch, along with a healthy diet, are much larger just in shear weight.. let alone antler size. The importance of the ranch has been very influential on modern deer hunting, whitetail management, whietail biology, and of course food plot management. Many of the most noted "whitetail experts" and biologists have studied (and hunted) at this ranch. In fact, many.. many magazine articles that you will read on whitetail and behavior come from this very ranch. For what it is.. it is an important part of whitetail research today.
This ranch also was one of the pioneers on research of a healthy 1:1 buck doe ratio which many on this forum understand ooohh sooo well.
Like I said.. yeah it's a pretty dull show for us bowhunters. But the ranch has had some importance on the way most of us "manage" or try to manage our own deer herd.
11-27-2007 | 07:53 PM
#94
Typical Buck
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From: Illinois
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
i love it when people are brainwashed to think that because IL has some great deer hunting means that it is like huntingan intensely outfitted area!! someone earlier in the post compared hunting the Tecomate to hunting Pike Country IL(assuming you weren't talking about an outfitted hunt there)......hilarious! these morons obviously haven't talked to any out of state hunters that go home empty handed or with a subordinate buck because it wasn't as easy as they thought it would be!! the only way to compare those two is if the hunter was hunting on hadley creek in pike co., then you could somewhat make a comparison......otherwise just dream on! i am not speaking on a single instance within just his post, i have witnessed many-a-moron make comments that hunting IL is easy. get real!
11-28-2007 | 06:37 AM
#96
Boone & Crockett
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From: Lehigh County PA USA
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
I watched the show in question the other night but have not commented thus far because it seems that everyone else has touched on the way I feel about this issue quite thoroughly. In all honesty I just thought "Yep, that is the way it is on those hunting shows." in the sense that they would not put it on TV unless someone is shooting a big buck. How they get the big buck is irrelevant to the people airing the show as long as it is legal for the area they are hunting. Isn't that the way it is for just about all of the shows you typically watch on the Outdoor Channel, etc...?
Now, and not to hijack this thread, if you want to get me fired up then bring up the issue of Ted Nugent's hunting show last night. Anybody watch it? In it he was hunting some type of exotic deer out of a DB blind. Before the hunt he and the cameraman scattered some type of food attractant all around the outside of the blind. I do not haveproblem with that as long as it was legal in the area he was hunting.
However, his comments after he made the kill are what I find objectionable. He said something along the lines of ..."And to you folks that have an issue with me baiting before the hunt...Shut Up...you are a punk...." and then he went off on one of his diatribes about the spirit of nature.
That was entirely inappropriate in my opinion and one of the reasons I cannot stand his personality.
Enjoyable hunt though....
Now, and not to hijack this thread, if you want to get me fired up then bring up the issue of Ted Nugent's hunting show last night. Anybody watch it? In it he was hunting some type of exotic deer out of a DB blind. Before the hunt he and the cameraman scattered some type of food attractant all around the outside of the blind. I do not haveproblem with that as long as it was legal in the area he was hunting.
However, his comments after he made the kill are what I find objectionable. He said something along the lines of ..."And to you folks that have an issue with me baiting before the hunt...Shut Up...you are a punk...." and then he went off on one of his diatribes about the spirit of nature.
That was entirely inappropriate in my opinion and one of the reasons I cannot stand his personality.
Enjoyable hunt though....
11-28-2007 | 06:52 AM
#97
Nontypical Buck
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From: Finger Lakes, NY
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
PABowhntr made a good comment about "they would not put it on TV unless someone is shooting a big buck". Although I will concede that the large majority of hunters on these shows are excellent hunters and have worked at it all of their lives, there are a few out there that fall into the "it's not what you know, but who you know" category. They do well because 1) they have the finest equipment available, 2) they are placed in prime locations, and 3) they can EDIT the hunt. This is the same with fishing shows and others. There are a few that couldn't find their way down from the stand without the help of gravity, let alone navigate the woods. JMHO. For the most part, however, I enjoy the shows and respect these guys for what they do and for bringing the hunt to me when I can't.
11-28-2007 | 07:00 AM
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From: TX Panhandle
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
I'm not sure if the Tecomate ranch has cattle or not. I'm sure it is not advertised that way (as having cattle), but it would really suprise me if it never ran any at all. Grazing is by cattle is also a viable amangement tool, since they eat different species of plants than deer, and as such spur the growth of many of the forbs and legumes the deer eat by reducing the competition from grass.
Anyways, like I said, even if they don't have cattle I'm sure their neighbors do, and fence is common property between the two. What I am saying is that if your neighbor has a fence, then effectively, you do too. You don't have a choice. Also. like someone else stated, when you hitfence, you know you are crossing a property line, and it is a warning for a person to stop.
Why did they state they are low fenced? Well it is pretty simple. It seems that most folks have the idea that if it is a big buck and was killed in Texas, then it had to be high fenced. That statement is very far from the truth, there is not anywhere near as much high fence in most of Texas as people believe. In my county we have 900+ square miles and only about 5 of that is under high fence. All the rest is free range (but fenced with low fence. We are and always will be cattle country).
I didn't mean to be snippy about the whole deal, just try to help folks understand about the fence. It seems to be a common stumbling block when really it shouldn't be.
I have my own issues with high fence, but they come from a management aspect, not from the fair chase side, which is a whole different discussion.
Anyways, like I said, even if they don't have cattle I'm sure their neighbors do, and fence is common property between the two. What I am saying is that if your neighbor has a fence, then effectively, you do too. You don't have a choice. Also. like someone else stated, when you hitfence, you know you are crossing a property line, and it is a warning for a person to stop.
Why did they state they are low fenced? Well it is pretty simple. It seems that most folks have the idea that if it is a big buck and was killed in Texas, then it had to be high fenced. That statement is very far from the truth, there is not anywhere near as much high fence in most of Texas as people believe. In my county we have 900+ square miles and only about 5 of that is under high fence. All the rest is free range (but fenced with low fence. We are and always will be cattle country).
I didn't mean to be snippy about the whole deal, just try to help folks understand about the fence. It seems to be a common stumbling block when really it shouldn't be.
I have my own issues with high fence, but they come from a management aspect, not from the fair chase side, which is a whole different discussion.
11-28-2007 | 07:01 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Lehigh County PA USA
RE: Bucks of Tecomonte... what a joke..
For the most part, however, I enjoy the shows and respect these guys for what they do and for bringing the hunt to me when I can't.