Arrow found in gun kill.
11-17-2007 | 01:55 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
well i seen this on another forum thought it ws a lil better then the one you posted here
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=424435& nt=3&fpart=1
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=424435& nt=3&fpart=1
11-17-2007 | 01:56 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Was there a hole in the ribs?
ORIGINAL: BigTiny
I never heard of no-mans-land until this year (I'm new at this). A friend of mine shot a buck out of his box stand opening day of rifle season and he just wandered off. A couple of days later he shot the same buck and dropped him. You could see the wound went all the way thru without hitting anything important. Pretty big exit wound, but no critical damage. Maybe given time the buck would have died of infection, but he made it thru a few days no problem.
I never heard of no-mans-land until this year (I'm new at this). A friend of mine shot a buck out of his box stand opening day of rifle season and he just wandered off. A couple of days later he shot the same buck and dropped him. You could see the wound went all the way thru without hitting anything important. Pretty big exit wound, but no critical damage. Maybe given time the buck would have died of infection, but he made it thru a few days no problem.
11-17-2007 | 01:59 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
ORIGINAL: robdre56
well i seen this on another forum thought it ws a lil better then the one you posted here
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=424435& nt=3&fpart=1
well i seen this on another forum thought it ws a lil better then the one you posted here
http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=424435& nt=3&fpart=1
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11-17-2007 | 02:24 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
Bummer about the backstraps. That is a perfect example of an 'above the spine' hit.
I still use 5" feathers. [:-]
I have about the same gap from the back of my feathers to my nock. (that way I can shoot them with fingers or a release). There are still several of us weirdos out there.
ORIGINAL: bowdoc1
Did you notice how far the vanes are from the nock and it looks like five inch vanes. Holly crapp who would fletch that far forward on a arrow and who uses five inch vanes any more other than trad. people.
Did you notice how far the vanes are from the nock and it looks like five inch vanes. Holly crapp who would fletch that far forward on a arrow and who uses five inch vanes any more other than trad. people.
I have about the same gap from the back of my feathers to my nock. (that way I can shoot them with fingers or a release). There are still several of us weirdos out there.
11-17-2007 | 02:52 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
ORIGINAL: rdy2hnt
The arrow was most definitely ABOVE the spine as Rob stated. As far as the "hollow spot" "no man's land" stuff goes, it's a myth. I am not trying to start that great debate all over, but I can assure you after field dressing/butchering well over 100 deer and having two close friends who are wildlife biologists, if you place an arrow/bullet in the chest cavity of a deer, behind the shoulder, it is a dead deer.........period. It is possible to hit above the spine and cause nothing more than a flesh wound barring infection. If it is below the spine and good left/right the lungs are taken out resulting in a quick, clean kill.
The arrow was most definitely ABOVE the spine as Rob stated. As far as the "hollow spot" "no man's land" stuff goes, it's a myth. I am not trying to start that great debate all over, but I can assure you after field dressing/butchering well over 100 deer and having two close friends who are wildlife biologists, if you place an arrow/bullet in the chest cavity of a deer, behind the shoulder, it is a dead deer.........period. It is possible to hit above the spine and cause nothing more than a flesh wound barring infection. If it is below the spine and good left/right the lungs are taken out resulting in a quick, clean kill.
Hisentry hole on the other side was a bit higher, but it positively passed below the spine, just through the top of the chest cavity, and appeared to missed both lungs.The holes in the top of the chect cavity were quite evident upon dressing.No hemorage was identified at the top of either lung. Theprevious arrow andblood trail was consistant with a flesh wound.
The lungs are somewhat free-floating in the cavity, and it is possible for the lungs partially deflatedduring aheavy exhaleto move a bit within the cavity leaving a gap up top. Won't happen very often, but it certainly did in this case, and this deer was remarkably well healed for such a recent wound.
11-17-2007 | 02:54 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
f you place an arrow/bullet in the chest cavity of a deer, behind the shoulder, it is a dead deer.........period.
11-17-2007 | 02:58 PM
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RE: Arrow found in gun kill.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
I used to believe this however, deer are amazing and can survive against the odds. In the book Tracking Dogs for finding Wounded Game by John Jeanenney, They talk of a study done in NY where they did a control doe hunt and performed autopsys on the deer. One doe had scare tissue on her lungs and both sides of her ribs...not all shots through the body cavity mean death. Odds say yes, but stranger things have happened.
f you place an arrow/bullet in the chest cavity of a deer, behind the shoulder, it is a dead deer.........period.