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RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
let me put it to you this way, say your in your stand and a2 1/2 y.o.8 point with a 18 inch spread we'll say he scores 125walks by with this mature buck behind it 6 points, 18 wide real tall: which would you rather shoot? the 6, not because of the rack but because it is a mature deer right? but you cant. we are forced to shoot the immature buck instead. and in a sense we are forced to hunt for horns |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
ORIGINAL: Pops423 Guys, I am certainly not complaining at all. Just saying a mature buck like this is a shame that it can't be taken out. I believe that deer is at least 3 1/2 based on the body. I have a picture of him as a wide 4 point (no brows) from last year. I'm all for the antler restrictions and have this argument with my Dad and his friends all the time. I was just pointing out the that sometimes there are flaws. And I'm also with you guys that I think in a year or so, he may have some extra points that will make him legal. Here is a great example Since MI season started I have seen 10 diffenrent bucks and let me saw I hunt primetime land in MI. 8 1.5 1 2.5(pretty sure) 1 3.5 I hunted in KY for four days and I seen 8 bucks 2 1.5 3 2.5 2 3.5 1 4.5 Big differnce, LOL Look at this board and all the PA guys who are scoring. In a couple of test cases we had of AR buck harvest went up here in MI 24% in Clare County. You guys forget one thing, 50% genes come from the doe;)and since you have more mature deer he will have less chance to breed. Where as in old days he might breed a lot. PA system will be the benchmark for the rest to follow, you guys should be proud. You should make a gold statue of Dr. Alt, and shower it with gifts:D Rod Clute is our Dr. Alt, and he is no Dr. Gary Alt. He's a nice guy, but he does not want to ruffle and feathers here in MI. |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
I feel for your buddy there nwpa but we all gotta remember that in a state like PA with so many hunters, ANY and I repeat ANY attempts at management have to be done on a wholesale "best odds" basis.
By having a point restriction, we now have the best odds we can that most bucks have a better chance to get a bit older before they get shot. Most will get better racks as they age but there will be exceptions. Some "high grading" will occur where a few of the young bucks with goodgenes will still die early and some bucks with bad genes will live on. We are managing wild animals here and nothing can be perfect. For every story like this one there are hundreds and maybe thousands of 2.5+ bucks being harvested where they formerly had almost no chance to get that old. As Germ said. PA is being and will contiue to be copiedin states all over the country. As for Gary Alt, he did a lot of good here but I personally can't forgive him for the way he turned on PA's hunters when he wasn't able to get things all his way immediately. He managed to get revolutionary change out of a Game Commission that has traditionally been VERY slow to change anything and then he bailed in frustration after juts a few years and burned every bridge on his way out. |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
ORIGINAL: tekan terror and can't shoot that 3 1/2 yr old spike that we've seen numerous times |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
[quote]ORIGINAL: Germ
ORIGINAL: Pops423 You guys forget one thing, 50% genes come from the doe;)and since you have more mature deer he will have less chance to breed. Where as in old days he might breed a lot. |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
ORIGINAL: RidgeFACTOR ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Pops423 You guys forget one thing, 50% genes come from the doe;)and since you have more mature deer he will have less chance to breed. Where as in old days he might breed a lot. |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. It was the hunters of PA who demanded antler restrictions in pursuit of the pipe dream of having a shooter behind every tree, now you're whining because all those young bucks who got "saved" by the restrictions are proving less than desireable. How does your cake taste?
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RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
ORIGINAL: kevin1 Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. It was the hunters of PA who demanded antler restrictions in pursuit of the pipe dream of having a shooter behind every tree, now you're whining because all those young bucks who got "saved" by the restrictions are proving less than desireable. How does your cake taste? IN OBR is for the same reason as PA AR put in place. The big difference is hunters. PA 1,138.343 IN 335,438 Now put a million hunters in IN and have them whack away at the herd for about 5 years, now tell me how your cake taste:D |
RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that somebody just got served.
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RE: PA antler restrictions need changed!!
the ideal situation would be age class NOT points to a side. But it is much more difficult to judge age than the pints, obviously. It is a step in the right direction. BUt shooting deer to age class is the key.......just look at examples such as texas, illinois where these states are the most managed for age class. they will harvest that 3 1/2 6point etc. I mentioned this point with several of my freinds who hunt we al;l kinda had the same thought you are not alone.
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