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me and another hunting budyy are assigned to do a debate on hunting against 2 anti hunters. we have to prove hunting is good and not bad. what are some thoughts and ideas we should mention we have a few in mind and they must be apropriate for school.

thanks so much for your input.

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replied but i dont have an email account

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Childers...A couple of points...Most folks today live in the city...They have no idea about what it takes to put food in the grocery store...My family owns 3 farms in eastern NC...We raise peanuts (sell them to Planters Peanuts in Suffolk, VA), wheat, corn, soybeans and cotton...A deer eats 12-15 pounds of forage a day, I have seen 40-50 deer feeding in our crop fields during the summer months...If you owned a store and somebody broke in every night and stole from you then sooner or later you would have to put an end to it or you would go out of business....We control the amount of deer we have on the farms...This meat does not go to waste, what my family doesn't use, we take to families that can use...They really appreciate the extra food...Hope this helps...Good Luck...get an A...:D

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i hope i get a good grade. thanks. i like that idea i never thought of it that way.

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one would thing i can think of is herd control showthe good thing that come from herd control .

show what happens from over sized herds i.e. diesease car crashes inbreeding.so on

show how you get a better food sorce from the wild show all the stuff they pump into meat now adays

one issue i know they willbring up is the fact that in the wild west days the anaimals more then most the deer and bufflo were near wiped out how theywerekilled and there plats taken and the meat left .

You need to show how this was not hunters but high price companys paying commercal trappers. So how the animals have grown and done so well since controled hunting
and do not forget a big issue that huntingand even fising gets people out of the house and helps reduce obesity i know since i started hunting ithasgotme out of the house 80% of my free time

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Remember to use logic and not emotion. When your opponents use emotion point out the lack of logic.

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Another thing, do some research on the Wright-Pittman act. You will find a powerful tool there.

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Population control. Hunting seasons and bag limits are set by wildlife biologists for the health of the heard.

The typical comeback to this is that will take care of itself, which you can rebute by pointing out that an animal is killed far more humanely by a hunter than by nature, be it predator or desease.

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yeah heard control was the thing i was mainly thinking about. but i like the inbreeding parts and the rest. thank you so much i appreciate everything

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great idea

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Here's a project to do with the class from Project WILD. I hope I can explain it.
I had 16 people in the class. I pulled one aside and put 3 as "deer". The rest (12) were "habitat".
The 3 deer had to hold up a hand sign for food/water/shelter and the "habitat" folks did the same. Then the "deer" ran to the habitat and matched up with them and brought them over to the other side. They then became "deer".

At "year" 7 I introduced a hunter with a bag limit of 2 per year.
Here is the graph. Notice how after the hunter was introduced how the population leveled out. This will work no matter how many kids are in the class, but you may have to add another hunter or increase the bag limit.
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I always go back to God, and the Bible. To me, the Word of God is the ultimate truth and sharper than any two edged sword. You live in the Bible belt, so that might fly. Look for Peters vision on unclean food. OrIsaac when he asked his son to get him some game to eat. Or Levitical law where it calls for animals to be sacraficed. Or how Jesus ate fish and served meat to thousands. I mean this could be one side of the argument.

Gen 25
27The boys grew up, and Esau became a skillful hunter, a man of the open country, while Jacob was a quiet man, staying among the tents. 28Isaac, who had a taste for wild game, loved Esau, but Rebekah loved Jacob.

Or Gen 9:3
3Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

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Do some research on the internet and find out how much it costs your state and nation topay for car/deer accidents. I did this a couple years ago and the numbers were AWESOME!

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I cant find the exact number, but I heard something like hunters put over 500,000$ dollars into the economy each year. I will try to find the exact number.

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you need some zeros behind that number...:D

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Its a form of putting food on your table that has had a chance to live a more normal life without all the chemicals and steroids that some farmers use today. Most game meat is healthier than anything you get in a store. Hunting is a great way to experience nature. People need to realize that before food was just magically at a grocery store that you actually had to go out and invest time and get your food. Most anti's can't associate the fact that a lot of hunters aren't there for the killing ofan animal they are there because they are hunters. Hunters hunt not kill. There is a difference.

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[/align]Carrying capacity. Disease. Hit by car crashes. when people stop living so long and reproducing so well,and When we stop robbing these animals of their habitat; we may be able to reduce the amount of deer taken each year. Until the same people that are building these fancy home on the outskirts of town realize they are part of the problem; we will need to continue hunting more and more deer. It kills me, they don't want to be bothered with deer in their garden or in their roads but,they aren't willing to do what is necesary . People like that are the worst kind of coward. they are unwilling to do the right thing either way. Bottom line..... Somebody has to die.People or deer the choice is that simple. There are to many of both of us to exsist together.

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Actually it is the Robertson-Pittman Act where we, as hunters, pay an exice tax to pay for wildlife projects. Search it, learn it, love it!!! Also the data is available for the insurance costs nearly 5 million dollars. Also look into the impact hunters have on some towns, with the hunting, lodging, foods, drink, etc.. Also look into the biological impact overgrazing has an land do to overcrowded animals. Also look into the damage wild hogs do, especially in Hawaii (SP?). There is tons of info out there but you have to do the legwork.

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ibet that much is spent on tags alone

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I think Rob spends that much on his bows each year.....oh wait:D

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i just found this link on google
http://federalasst.fws.gov/surveys/surveys.html
now that is a little more then 500,000 1% of our groos damstic product wasforfishing and hunting.
Over 87 million U.S. residents 16 years old and older fished, hunted, or wildlife watched in 2006. During that year, 29.9 million people fished, 12.5 million hunted, and 71.1 million participated in at least one type of wildlife-watching activity including observing, feeding, or photographing wildlife.
Wildlife recreationists' avidity was reflected in their spending which totaled over $120 billion in 2006. This amounted to 1% of the United States GDP. Of the total amount spent, $37 billion was for trips, $64 billion for equipment, and $16 billion for other items.
Sportspersons spent a total of $75 billion in 2006—$41 billion on fishing, $23 billion on hunting, and $11 billion on items used for both hunting and fishing. Wildlife watchers spent $45 billion on trips, equipment, and other items.




5 YEAR TREND INFORMATION

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Ask them antis if thier chicken strips at McDonalds died of natural causes?

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Tell the truth. Be convinced in your own mind that hunting is an occupation to be proud of. Talk with those who listen as well as those your conversing with as good friends. Peoplethat you want only the best for. Be mature. Show them that a hunteris someone they'd like to be around, not a lunatic.

Have a good time.

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i love the last verse. i will have to memerize that one

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I don't think this point has been made yet: getting people that are obsessed with fast foods away from their TVs and computers for some fresh air and excercise, introducing kids to nature, excercise, and responsibility.

No offense to BigCountry, but I would avoid the religion thing, I think you'd do much better with the advice on using logic rather emotion. Not being religious myself I use the arguement that humans aren't above animals, we are animals, and we shouldn't feel guilty about being on the top of the food chain, me killing a deer to eat is no different than an eagle killing a salmon to eat.

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pulled this from another forum....
Hunters and Anglers Have an Immense Impact on the Economy
A Force as Big as All Outdoors - Spending $76 Billion a Year

Washington, DC, September 26, 2007 - A new report released by the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation demonstrates that by any measure, America’s 34 million hunters and anglers are among the most prominent and influential of all demographic groups. Spending more than $76 billion a year on hunting and fishing, America’s hunters and anglers would rank in the top 20 list on the Fortune 500. In fact their spending is greater than the revenues of high-tech giants Microsoft, Google, eBay and Yahoo - combined.

These latest figures demonstrate that season after season hunters and anglers are an economic powerhouse, driving the economy from big businesses to rural towns, through booms and recessions. They directly support 1.6 million jobs, which is twice as many jobs as the combined civilian payrolls of the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps.

“While hunting and fishing are generally thought of as just outdoor traditions, they actually comprise an outdoor nation - both in terms of economic impact, and in turning out the vote on Election Day,” stated Jeff Crane, president of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. “If the $76 billion sportsmen spend on hunting and fishing was the Gross Domestic Product of a country, sportsmen as a nation would rank 57th out of 181 countries.”

Broken down to a daily spending figure, the economic stimulus of hunting and fishing comes out to an astounding $208 million a day. This spending keeps people working: not just in typical hunting and fishing jobs, but also in gas stations, retail, restaurants and hotels throughout every state and congressional district of the USA. Of course, government coffers also benefit -- spending by sportsmen generates $25 billion in federal, state and local taxes.

“Hunters have an unequaled passion for their outdoor traditions, spending 220 million days in the woods, fields and wetlands each year and nearly $2,000 per person on firearms, ammunition and other equipment and services,” said Doug Painter, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. “That’s $23 billion pumped into the economy, benefiting not only the manufacturers of hunting-related products, but everything from local mom and pop businesses to wildlife conservation in every state in America.”

Even despite the recent rise in fuel costs, hunters and anglers remained immune to jumps in gas prices; spending a total of $1.8 billion in motorboat fuel on hunting and fishing activities.

“Boating plays a larger role in hunting and fishing than people realize, especially in terms of money spent and participation,” noted Thom Dammrich, president of the National Marine Manufacturers Association. “Figures from the U.S.F.W.S. survey estimate that sportsmen spend more than $11 billion on boat fuel, boats and related equipment to get them around in the marshes and out on the water.”

The report, Hunting and Fishing: Bright Stars of the American Economy ~ A force as big as all outdoors, uses the results from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s 2006 National Survey of Fishing, Hunting and Wildlife-Associated Recreation and compares hunters’ and anglers’ impact on the economy with other industries and constituencies.

“This report clearly demonstrates the tremendous impact that sportsmen and women have on their communities, the economy, the environment, and even on politics,” said U.S. Rep. Ron Kind, avid sportsman and co-chair of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus. “Their presence is too great to be ignored by policymakers in Washington, DC, and I urge my colleagues in the House and Senate to look at this report and make sportsmen’s issues a priority.”

While recent media attention has focused on the small decreases in licensed sportsmen, the CSF report focuses on the economic powerhouse of hunters and anglers and how they compare to other sectors of the economy. The report also discusses the “undocumented sportsmen” – hunters and anglers whose numbers cannot be derived from this data.

It is a fairly simple equation - hunters and anglers mean jobs and tax revenue in every state and congressional district of the country,” stated Crane. “The economic impact and shear size of sportsmen as a constituency are facts that every lawmaker should pay attention too.”

“Auto manufacturers are well aware of this demographics tremendous economic impact,” said Dave McCurdy, president & CEO of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. “Hunters and anglers are among our largest consumer groups for pick-up trucks and SUVs and because those vehicles best meet their needs. In fact, in 2006, for the fifth year in a row, sales of these larger vehicles exceeded passenger car sales.”

The report: Hunting and Fishing: Bright Stars of the American Economy ~ A force as big as all outdoors along with FAST FACTS are available on the web at
www.sportsmenslink.org and www.nssf.org

A video of the press conference will be available September 27th on the web at www.versus.com

For more information or questions contact: Melinda Gable 202-543-6850 ext. 15 or at [email protected]


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About CSF
CSF is the most respected and trusted hunting and fishing organization in the political arena. With support from every major hunting and fishing organization, CSF is the leader in promoting sportsmen’s issues with elected officials. CSF works directly with the bi-partisan, bi-cameral Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus in the U.S. Congress, as well as affiliated state sportsmen’s caucuses in state legislatures around the country.

The report: Hunting and Fishing: Bright Stars of the American Economy ~ A force as big as all outdoors along with FAST FACTS are available on the web at
www.sportsmenslink.org and www.nssf.org

A video of the press conference will be available September 27th on the web at www.versus.com


The report was produced in partnership with the:
National Shooting Sports Foundation - www.nssf.org
National Marine Manufacturers Association - www.nmma.org
Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers - www.autoalliance.org

CSF also acknowledges the contributions of the American Sportfishing Association, the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

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One more quick point; ask your classmates if they would rather be wild deer living by their wits in the wild with a chance of being taken by a hunter, or if they would rather be cows herded around, fed steroids, and most surely slaughtered when they reached a certain size.

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The Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 established Federal Aid in Wildlife Resoration Program (WRP) by levying a manufacturer's excise tax of 11 percent on sporting rifles, shotguns, and ammunition used in hunting. In 1970 the act was amended to give the 10 percent manufacturer's excise tax on handguns to the WRP. The act was amended again in 1972, due to the involvement of Fred Bear, to include an 11 percent manufacturer's excise tax on archery equipment.

Pittman-Roberson (PR) money is available to the states to buy, develop, maintain, and operate wildlife management areas. PR money is available to the states to conduct surveys and research necessary to restore wildlife. PR money is available to the states to finance Hunter Education. These programs reach in excess of 650,000 people each year.
People who never hunt also benefit from PR money. Wildlife management areas and wetlands are useful to all nature lovers and watchers. Funds go towards management of all species, game and nongame alike.

*Pittman-Roberson are: Senator Key Pittman (Nevada) and Representative A. Willis Roberson (Virginia). President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed it into law in 1937.






Who funds hunters? YOU DO! First and foremost hunter's fund theirselves with the purchasing of firearms, ammo, archery equipment, hunting/fishing/boating license.
1. Hunters/Fishermen
2. Firearms and ammo sales
3. U.S. or Canadian Fish and Wildlife Agencies
4. State/Provincial Wildlife Agencies
5. Non-governmental Organizations (N.W.T.F., NRA, Ducks Unlimited, etc)
6. Local sportsmen and civic clubs
7. Local businesses
8. International Hunter Education Association

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And let me add:

Wildlife laws placed on hunters PROTECT wildlife by:
1. Making sure not too many hunted animals are killed.
2. Making sure none of the animals that cannot be hunted are killed.
3. Making sure wildlife habitat is not damaged.

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thank you all.

im printing this out later once i get more info. from yall. thanks

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My bad! I stand corrected and thank you! I should know that.

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But antis whole argument is emotional. Its emotion for the animal. They feel bad for the animal. Thats it, thats thier whole basis. You can't argue or ever win anything when one party is basing everything off emotion. If your married to a women, you will know this or have learned this.

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With all due respect to BigCountry, this is for school, so I would suggest using facts and logic, rather than religious texts, unless you attend a religious school, where that kind of argument will carry a lot of weight.

Here are a few facts that you might be able to use.

There were approximately 5,000 deer-related vehicle accidents in Fairfax County, Virginia alone in 2004.

Biologists estimate that there are approximately twice as many deer in Virginia now as there were when Jamestown was first settled in 1607 (400 year anniversary!). But the deer’s natural habitat has been greatly reduced, due to human population pressures.

Deer eat lots of farm crops, causing significant economic damage to a struggling sector of the economy.

Humans have essentially wiped out most of the deer’s natural predators. This means that the deer population would explode if humans did not keep their populations in check. If the deer population gets out of control:
1) There will there be more economic damage to the agricultural sector of the economy.
2) There will be more deer-related vehicle accidents, resulting in the loss of not only money spent on car repairs and higher insurance premiums, but also injuries and the loss of human life.
3) In addition to damaging agricultural crops, deer will strip off more and more of the natural vegetation across the land. I can see it in the lack of undergrowth in some areas of the forest where deer populations are high. I believe it was in Austria that the deer population had been getting out of control to the point where the deer were eating back the young tree shoots so that the mature trees were not being replaced. Towns located on the mountainsides depended on thick growths of trees to slow down the avalanches, but the reduced tree populations resulted in entire villages being wiped out by avalanches that would otherwise not have been touched by them.
4) Because of the overgrazing and the stripping of natural habitat, eventually more deer will starve during the winter, a horrible way to die and much worse than a quick arrow or bullet through the heart or lungs.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

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Well, I hear ya, but you definately don't know the Bible belt too well. I know in Ky and TN, the Holy Bible carries all the weight. I mean its the only truth. Well all find out one day.

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If it did there wouldn't be any anti's.

Many people from all over now live in those parts. If the boy thinks it will help, use it, but it does have the potential to take the debate in a whole different direction.

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mention that this is america and that we have rights and no matter what they say unting is a good management tool and it keeps the animals healthy, or you could always come in in full camo playing ted nugent spirit of the wild and go for the shock and awe strategy

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the NRA website has ALOT of statistics and info.

i did my senior debate on the topic.

cant remember who judged it. i know me and my buddy(pro hunting) lost. but i tore them up. out of the 4 i had the highest grade...but whoever voted doesnt know a good argument when it jumps up and bites them in the rear....my partner got the 2nd highest grade...how we got the highest grades but lost is beyond me. but we owned them and i know 90% of our sources were the NRA....

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Not in the parts I am talking about. But your a buckeye, so that kinda says it all.