What is it with Mathews???
 

I go to a lot of different Pro Shops in my area, as many as I can get to. Well there is one (won't be mentioned) but I've been thereseveral times over the years, enough for the owner to know me, not my name so much but he remembers my face.

I've talked bow stuff and tech stuff with him on several occasions and most of the time he will ask me what I'm shooting. Over the years I've owned many different bows from Brownings to Bear toDiamond/Bow Techand now a Mathews Switchback LD.

This shop is a PSE retailer, and recently (I think)picked up Hoyt as an account. I'm not sure if he has ever sold Mathewsbut he hasa fewon the racks, used and new (I think) and an old "Mathews SoloCam" neon in the window.

Well to get to the point,every time in the past when he would ask me what I shoot I'd tell him and the conversation would continue like normal. This time he and I were talking about arrows. Some of you know I've been thinking about getting stiffer spined arrows and I was discussing this with him. Wellagain he asked what bow I was shooting and I said a Mathews.... he looks at me and says...."oh" (like that's my problem right there) with this condescending look on his face!! WTF!!![:@]

Never the slightest hiccup from the guy over all these years shooting many different brand bows including bows he sells and ones he doesn't, I mention Mathews and I'm a leper![:'(]

Why the disdain for Mathews? I can't figure this out for the life of me. Sinceowning one it's like people either like them or hate them AND you for owning one!

I know one thing...he won't see my face in there for quite some time.

Rant over.....can anyone shed light on this?

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

Catch us if you can, !!!!!! Maybe Mathews turned him down as a retailer

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

Wow

Either he has plenty of work and doesn't want/need your business or he is just a complete A-hole

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haha, no sure why some people are like that, they are all good bows and if there wasa problem with them i dont think they would sell very many!

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I don't know, like I said he has a few Mathews on the racks and the old neon sign, maybe it's his new affiliation with Hoyt? If that's the case why single out Mathews??

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I'd tell you but you shoot a Mathews. [8D]

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Honestly I see more brand trashing by dealers over Mathews than any other brand. This is coming from someone that works in a Mathews shop........

Mathews really protects their dealer base better than any other manufacturer I've seen without question. The dealers that can't get in with them really have a difficult time competing.......it's a great bow with a TON of marketing behind it. The Mathews line is the cash cow in the industry and love them or hate them..............if your a dealer the Mathews line can make or break your business. I think this is why you see the negativity from non mathews shops.

I'm betting your guy had it but lost the line at some point over something..........they don't let you screw around at all. If he got caught selling out of his territory or online or just wasn't moving the product he probably lost the line and is bitter. Mathews won't put up with this stuff like other manufacturers will.

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The guys that dog Mathews are just real small in that special place. Kind of makes them feel big there for a second when they write the slam. That Switchback is a hunters bow. Super smooth draw and quiet. When your at the top of the food chain everyone wants to bring you down.

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yeah catch us if you can! haha maybe hes just jealous because you have a better bow then he does :D

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I dont shoot a Mathews personally, my GF does. I think its a good bow. But you pay for that TON of marketing and its a cash cow because of the Higher mark up. For those of you that want to shoot a Mathews more power too you, and while your pro shop guy may be thinking exacty what Rick thinks he is thinking my only problem with them is you can get just a nice of bow at least for a lot less, and that really ticks some folks off to be bent over the counter....but if its the only bow you can find that feels like it fits you, then pay the man, otherwise stick it to the man is what i say.

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I don't know...the last time I checked, theactual selling prices (notMSRP's)for all of the "top three" bow companies is pretty comparable, I don't think that's it. If I had to guess I think Motown and Rick James nailed it.;)

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I'm not able to shoot the regular switchback or XTbecausetheir not available in my drawlength but the Switchback LD is everything in a hunting bow. The riser design (slight reflex almost straight) allows for a very steady shot as well as a great brace height 9in!!

I keep saying, the more I shoot this thing the more I like it.

You're right Motown...this is a hunters bow.

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Ive seen this I used to shoot at a store that used to be a mathews dealer but had to stop because they were unable to sell all the bows mathews makes you keep in stock so then the owner was reallt bitter towrds mathews. I no around here there are 2 kinds of shooters your either a hoyt or mathews shooter. people love them and hate them its like trucks i know people that love fords but hate chevys and visa versa

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Maybe he is a bitter ex-Mathews dealer...I don't know. Whatever the reason I think it's still pretty childish for aPro Shop dealer to act that way.

He sure keeps that "Mathews Solo Cam"neon in his window for everyone to see though.:eek:

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I don't know...the last time I checked, theactual selling prices (notMSRP's)for all of the "top three" bow companies is pretty comparable, I don't think that's it. If I had to guess I think Motown and Rick James nailed it.;)
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By me
Drenalin $819
Vetrix $680

Sick.

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

Drenalin's are selling for about $765.00-$780.00by me so it's not that much a difference. I don't see that as the reason for the disdain.

Are you saying that people want to buy Mathews bows but can't afford them, so they buy something else that theycan afford but really deep down wanted a Mathews so every chance they get they bash Mathews because they are pissed at them??

If not anda persondidn't want to buy it in the first place, why should anyone care what they cost?

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

products bring exactlywhat the market(customers) will pay.

No company sells their product for less just to be nice. If they could bring the same price in the market, they would.

I come from a motorcycle industry backround. If Honda could sell their cruisers for the same price as Harley-Davidson does, they would.
They can't, so they are less. Both are good bikes but one sells for a much higher price.

Pretty much the same with any product.

Sony vs Panasonic
Hewlett Packard vs Dell
Pepsi vs Store brand soda

So on and so on.

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

People get on their high horse about lots of things. I don't see why bow brands would be any different.

Around here the price difference between a Guardian, Drenalin and Vectrix isn't all that much (at least
relatively speaking) - probably only about a $50 difference.

And people act like the Diamond Black Ice is a such a deal, well it is $650.00 bare bow, about
$60 less than you can get an Allegiance.

Matthews isn't priced that high compared to the others. If I preferred it I would have bought it.

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I agree 100% great post.

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Another great post!

Thanks for reading guys......I had to relay the story, it just burned me to no end how heslighted me like that.[:@]

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LMAO....you kill me.:)

I think the main reason Mathews is hated so much is because they have done well enough that they can market as much as they want, and they also have the funds to have so much sponsorships that it's rediculous. They dont really give a chance for the other bow companies to get their name out there. If you notice on the outdoor channel a lot of the big show names shoot mathews. I shoot a bowtech and I can only name a handful of shows that shoot bowtech in their show. They just dont have the sponsorship that Mathews has. Maybe it's because a lot of the other bow companies are still growing.

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The bottom line is that it's the skill of the hunter/shooter that makes the biggest difference-not the brand of product. Any skilled hunter can kill game with anything. said that,I switched to mathews several years ago and have no intention of ever buying another bow of other brand UNLESS somebody comes out with a bow that is clearly superior to mathews. There's not as much difference as manufacturers would have us think. When I switched to mathews,I started shooting better than I ever did previously and sold my first 3 mathews bows used and after taking several head of game with each,for more than I paid for them new. I now own a switchback XT and do not see trading up again for quite a while. People bash other brands because of ad hype and believe it to the word or perhaps they are trying to convince themselves they didn't make a mistake-I'm saying this of all brands.

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You could have just reached over the counter and popped his head like a pimple :D

I'm curious BigJ, a dude your size, that kind of draw length and poundage, what kind of speed do you get out of your bows? Ever checked? 1 pin out to 50 yards? :)

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That's good preachin' Cap'n!!!:D

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

I don't know...the last time I checked, theactual selling prices (notMSRP's)for all of the "top three" bow companies is pretty comparable, I don't think that's it. If I had to guess I think Motown and Rick James nailed it.;)
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By me
Drenalin $819
Vetrix $680

Sick.
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Drenalin's are selling for $649.00 at my proshop. Would you like me to order you one?

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

Maybe the guy was just being a hinny hole cause his wife wouldn't let him go hunting that day. Maybe? We could second guess ourselves to death. Buy what you can afford, make sure it fits and have fun using it! Pretty simple.

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Now BigJ, how can anyone NOT remember YOU when you walk through a door. [8D] I assume he just calls you SIR? ;)

Unfortunately Like I said before, the only problem with Mathews is some of their owners. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Mathews bow, unfortunately many of their owners are just so damn "I shoot a Mathews so my **** doesn't stink" mentality. Turns people off the product.

I'm not bashing any of you, nor the product but that's just the way it's looked upon that I've seen. It's jammed down our throats from Ads to buying up all the Staff. Again, great marketing, kudos to an incredible marketing department etc...

Kinda like over using the term harvest....or Scent Lok. ;) [8D]

Again, no offense to any of our members, I'm not talking about any of you, Kurt sitting here beside me shot a Mathews, great bow, alot of my friends do. I just feel sorry for them. [8D] ;) Almost owned one myself until the Allegiance went off. :D

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I don't know, maybe people are different around here. I have noticed people that shoot Mathews in this area are a bit stuck up or something. They treat other bow brands like their inferior and the same with the guys shooting them. I have even heard all sorts of nicknames they have for different brands. PSE= Pieces Scattred Everywhere.. Bowtech= No Tech ect. I just notice a different breed of peole in the other pro shops as compared to the guys hanging out at the Mathews shop. You just can't seem to have a friendly conversation with the Mathews guys. The other shops people are way more relaxed and down to earth. Maybe its just the shop owners and it carries over to their customers. Don't really know how else to explain it.

Does Mathews make great bows? Absolutely. Are they the best? Not in my opinion.

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"The best" doesn't even enter into the equation with the top line bows ..... it's all about PREFERENCE



I still like MOTOWN'S post;)

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

sounds like he was getting ready to slam the matthews, then reality struck, and he realized how big a boy you are [8D]seriously, i own a matthews, a Q2 bought new in 05, and i absoultly love it, some hate the grip on matthews but it fits me quit nicely. Did you get the arrow spine issue settled?

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I say shoot what you like and don't give the lepar your money anymore!;)

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I think alot of it is that more prepy stuck up arrogant people shoot mathews. I shoot several different 3-D shoots and see alot of mathews bows being shot by alot of wanna be archers. I really have nothing against the bow itself, mainly alot of the shooters seem to think they are hot sh*t cause they shoot a mathews. Always cracks me up seeing them out there with their 3 foot stabilizer and magnified sights and they cant hold a candle to me with my hunting set up. Mathews is a good bow but it aint gonna make you a better shot. Shooting a mathews is like driving a BMW, there nice but they dont do anything a chevy or ford would do. I guess it seems to be more of an image thing, like I shoot a mathews so Im better than you.

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your attitude is exactly the one John got from the guy ......... seriously man, I have seen what you described from all bow brand shooters ......

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That maybe true, I just commenting on what Ive noticed. Like I said I dont have a problem with the bow nor do I have a problem with people who shoot it. Im not sure what attitude you are refering to Preacher but I was just simply trying to explain why people seem to look at mathews that way. I suggest you not point fingers because its people like you who jump to conclusions so quick and get all deffensive that start the stereotyping of certain brand bows and there shooters, like mathews.

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If you reread your original post, you may see what I was talking about .... David, you probably didn't mean for it to sound that way ... such is life in the cyber world ... my apologies if I mis read it.

BTW .... who is getting defensive???;)

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Sorry preacher, Im sensative.;)

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

Because he knows something you don't.[8D][8D]

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I have found that most pro shops are like that,you can go to 5 different shops and get 5 different sale piches.they will try to tell you what they sell is the best on the market and that and what everyone else has is junk.To a ps dealer theirs are the best bar none.I have used all the major brands except hoyt over the years and trully all of themwere great bows at the time.I just swicthed to a bowtech commander and luv it,but 20 years ago I loved my pse,then my mathews"which i still haveby the way" It is all about selling their product that they stock,if they changedealer they change the way they think thats all its about $$$$$$$

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Does it really matter what kind of a bow you shoot. I shoot a Diamond Liberty, I don't care. I would of bought anything that I liked that was in my price range. If you shoot a Matthews good. If you shoot anything else good. who cares. Just shoot and have fun with it. If some guy disses the bow you shoot who cares, let him shoot it and see what he thinks. If he still doesn't like it, oh well you don't have to hate the guy because he doesn't like your bow.

RE: What is it with Mathews???
 

You missed the reason for the post ....... John was getting attitude for the bow he shot ......