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Old 08-28-2007 | 03:46 PM
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I'm always well into the 70-80# KE range, so I'm more or less just looking for a head that won't dissintigrate or plane all over the place. It could be duller than a butter knife, and will do the job just fine.

Accuracy
Durability
Sharpness

That's how I prioritize my broadhead analysis. Our deer around here aren't particularly huge, and I think I'm putting out enough KE to hunt Buffalo. Obviously, the farther you slide the KE number down, the more emphasis it places on having a razor sharp head. Durability isn't as much of a factor for a guy shooting 50# of KE.
You've got to be kidding right? Broadhead sharpness and KE have NOTHING to do with each other. I don't care how much KE you're shooting you need to be shooting the sharpest broadhead you can. Dull broadheads don't cut, they plow and they'll plow elastic veins and arteries right out of their way without cutting them. You need a sharp head to make a quick, humane kill, unless you're going for a head shot...[:'(]
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Old 08-28-2007 | 03:47 PM
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BTW: wasn't trying to slam the Montecs...I love the solid design. I'd probably have them on the top of my list (well, maybe 2nd after the Flames) if it wasn't for the sharpness issue. Facts are facts...hemorraghing is caused from massive discharge of blood from blood vessels. The more that can be cut, and cut cleanly, the more blood loss. Clean cuts bleed rapidly...jagged, punched cuts clot quickly.
I understand what you're saying, and agree with you 100%, but I still don't understand the problem if I can make them sharp, and it's easy to do. As I said before, I can practice with the actual broadheads I'm going to hunt with and touch them back up. Sure, there may be a little more work at the front end if you get some that aren't super sharp, but I'll never have to buy replacement blades. As to everyone saying they "whistle", I sure haven't heard it. The only sound I hear is when they hit the target. I wonder why some hear a noise and some dont?
I think we agree in principal...primarily, I don't think it is my job to shapen out-of-package heads...we payed for that. Secondly, many folks report having problems getting a decent edge on their Montecs. You seemed to have found the secret. Lastly, I definitely agree regarding not having to pay for replacement blades. Flames are the sharpest edges I've ever found on a broadhead or knife and they are easy to resharpen when they need it. So, in essence we both have found what we are looking for. Best of luck to you this year, LittleChief!
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Old 08-28-2007 | 04:22 PM
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Old 08-28-2007 | 04:36 PM
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I shoot Montecs as well and I have also seen a difference in sharpnessfrom pack to pack.....BUT I don't see the big deal here. I mean the broad head is made to be re-sharpened. I don't think most knifes out on the market today are even remotely close to how sharp I want them to be. I have had to re-sharpen every knife I ever bought. I have many stones and I find sharpening my knifes or broad heads to be fun and at the very least I knowthey WILL be sharp.

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Old 08-28-2007 | 05:40 PM
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You've got to be kidding right? Broadhead sharpness and KE have NOTHING to do with each other. I don't care how much KE you're shooting you need to be shooting the sharpest broadhead you can. Dull broadheads don't cut, they plow and they'll plow elastic veins and arteries right out of their way without cutting them. You need a sharp head to make a quick, humane kill, unless you're going for a head shot...[:'(]
Not kidding at all. Like I said - I smashed a muzzy practice head right through the boiler room on a broadside doe - dead in seconds. Complete pass-through. (Accidentally pulled the wrong arrow out of the quiver) Dull broadheads have EVERYTHING to do with KE.

I've killed deer with heads as dull as a butter knife. When I was a kid, I was too broke to afford replacements, so we hunted with 'em until they were destroyed or lost. Good shots always did the job.

Not that scalpel-sharp blades won't help (they will) - but they're just another part of the equation, like everything else.

Pretty simple, really. Run a butterknife over your bare skin at 3 fps. Now run it over your skin at 250 fps. It'll rip right through the skin. It's all about the speed and pressure behind it. If you have energy to burn, a dull blade won't make a lick of difference.
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Old 08-28-2007 | 05:59 PM
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You've got to be kidding right? Broadhead sharpness and KE have NOTHING to do with each other. I don't care how much KE you're shooting you need to be shooting the sharpest broadhead you can. Dull broadheads don't cut, they plow and they'll plow elastic veins and arteries right out of their way without cutting them. You need a sharp head to make a quick, humane kill, unless you're going for a head shot...[:'(]
Not kidding at all. Like I said - I smashed a muzzy practice head right through the boiler room on a broadside doe - dead in seconds. Dull broadheads have EVERYTHING to do with KE.

I've killed deer with heads as dull as a butter knife. When I was a kid, I was too broke to afford replacements, so we hunted with 'em until they were destroyed or lost. Good shots always did the job.

Not that scalpel-sharp blades won't help (they will) - but they're just another part of the equation, like everything else.

Pretty simple, really. Run a butterknife over your bare skin at 3 fps. Now run it over your skin at 250 fps. It'll rip right through the skin. It's all about the speed and pressure behind it. If you have energy to burn, a dull blade won't make a lick of difference.
Sorry...this is just not what most would consider responsible hunting.Possibly the animal will die, but how quickly and how humanely? Our job as hunters is to insure, to the extent that we can, that the animal dies quickly and is recovered. Sharp blades cut blood vessels they come in contact with...dull blades can punch a hole but can also push blood vessels aside. Sharp blades are capable of leaving good blood trails. Sharp cuts cause excessive bleeding. Dull cuts tear and dull cuts clot easily. Sharp blades are therefor much more capable of quickly killing an animal...you can't recover something that lives long enough to get into the next county.This is not an argument for or against Montecs...it is basic commentary as to what the job/function of a broadhead is. To:

1. Fly accurately enough for proper shot placement
2.Be strong enough to hold together when impacting the target
3.Have the sharpeness to quickly and humanely dispatch the animal

All are equally important. Certainly the your Montecs have worked for you. Possibly they were sharper than you thought. There is no denying the NEED for as sharpa broadhead as you can shoot. We, as hunters, are charged with giving our game no less.
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Old 08-28-2007 | 06:16 PM
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Look - I don't care what you guys think or say, I've shot enough deer to know that if I hit a broadside buck with a 1-1/16" diameter Muzzy - doesn't matter if it's as dull as a butter knife orscalpel sharp-that deer is leaving with a 1-1/16" hole on both sides, lungs demolished, and it isn't going 100 yards.

I mean really, an airplane propeller isn't razor sharp - but go ahead and stick your hand in it and see what happens. There is more to cutting than sharpness. Speed and Pressure are required. Duller blades need more speed and pressure. If you're shooting 90# KE - you could hunt deer with practice points if you so desired. It's a 150# deer, not a 5 ton elephant.


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Old 08-28-2007 | 06:32 PM
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Look - I don't care what you guys think or say, I've shot enough deer to know that if I hit a broadside buck with a 1-1/16" diameter Muzzy - doesn't matter if it's as dull as a butter knife orscalpel sharp-that deer is leaving with a 1-1/16" hole on both sides, lungs demolished, and it isn't going 100 yards.

I mean really, an airplane propeller isn't razor sharp - but go ahead and stick your hand in it and see what happens. There is more to cutting than sharpness. Speed and Pressure are required. Duller blades need more speed and pressure. If you're shooting 90# KE - you could hunt deer with practice points if you so desired. It's a 150# deer, not a 5 ton elephant.


No disrespect intended, but:

1. no one, and I mean no one, can guarantee to always get a double lung hit...we're talking about real world variables.
2. what you are saying is true...a rock can be theoretically be thrown hard enough to kill a deer. Is that responsible hunting? Does it insure a quick and humane kill?
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Old 08-28-2007 | 06:55 PM
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RB - what you're missing here, is that when we say "dull" we're talking about the difference in sharpness between your garden-variety field-dressing knife (dull), and a surgical scalpel (sharp). We're talking about shooting a 150 pound animal, not a rhinoceros. We're talking about running these blades through an animal at 200+ miles per hour.

The difference (if any) between the two is so miniscule that it's not even worth noting.

I mean, yeah, it would be nice if every broadhead in every guy's quiver in this little utopiawas scalpel-sharp. But, this is the real world, and that will never happen. Guys kill 2-3 deer with the same head. They shoot them into the dirt, clean them off, and put them back in the quiver. It happens.

Fact is: More deer will be lost to bad shotsthan will ever be lostdue to a broadhead that wasn't razor sharp.

A lawnmower blade spins at 200 mph (same speed as an arrow flies). Most mower blades aren't exactly scalpel-sharp, but you wouldn't wanna put your fingers in there. The speed and force of the whirring blades change the entire dynamic. This is a great example of how energy makes up the slack for a dull blade. You don't need agiant razor bladeunder the deck of your John Deere to mow the lawn, just like you don't need a scalpel-sharp broadhead to kill a deer.
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Old 08-28-2007 | 07:04 PM
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Quick

I know you are confident in your setup.

Have fun and shoot straight, kill a big one for me
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