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Yes Arthur I know, where do you think I got the quote.

His message is like getting your hand caught in the cookie jar, then telling your mother the cookie was for her;)

The man is a joke, maybe his scent system sales will pick up;)

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I pose this strictly for the sake of argument.......Ok, let's say carbon clothing doesn't work as they say......Let's say, again for the sake of argument, that the above photo is 100% accurate and legit (hell, it may be, I don't know)..........Even though it's letting some human scent through, the carbon will catch some of it, correct? I'm getting sidetracked already, back to that thought in a second.....The point I was going to make is this......Even if it doesn't do as they say, does it actually HURT? I can't see that.....

Ok, back to my other thought.......(oh look, a chicken....[&:])

I am of course making these numbers up, this is strictly for discussion, but let's say we start with 100 scent molecules. Now we take a shower in our favorite scent eliminating soap and drop those molecules down to 60. We have washed our clothes in scent eliminating detergent, knocking it down to 40 molecules. Now let's put our carbon clothing on and it doesn't catch all of those 40 molecules, but let's say it catches 20 of them........I'm now down to 20 scent molecules......Again, these numbers are fictitious, but ya'll get my point......

Even if it is only 25% as effective, that's 25% more than I started with.......Or is that all hogwash?

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If it works or not who cares. We all have bought camo that makes us look like a giant black blob, but every year we buy more because we think it helps.

We have went from 2 cams to 1, now back to two, and we can not get enough.

We buy scents that may scare more deer than attract, yet we still buy. Now I do not believe in some products, but someone else might. Good for them, but I am not on here railing against a product, or trying to get them to bribe me.[:-]

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I never have used the stuff and don't know if it works or not.With that said I dont' believe it works like it is advertised to work."forget the wind just hunt" thats hogwash.I don't believe it will work for the reason that you can not be totally scent free.This does not mean that it does'nt help you control your scent.I don't know,but I won't find out,because I don't believe it works good enough to spend the kind of money they want you to pay for it.Not that anything else is worth the money you have to pay for it either.

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This is the exact fear of the boogeyman attitude that companies prey on in the deer hunting market........the thought of "what if"??.........and "Oh well, it can't hurt right"??

Guys figure that they already sit around season after season and NOT see big bucks anyways..........so why not throw some money at the problem in the hopes that they have really been doing everything right all along but they just weren't using the magic potion ;) At the very worst they STILL don't see monster bucks or more deer and they just chalk it up to another pile of money they spent trying to fix a problem that can't be fixed by money (something they already knew but figured it was worth a shot anyways).

When the upside is GREAT and the downside is nothing changes people will ALWAYS be willing to risk money on that chance.

Play the lottery and win millions or just continue life as is.

Use a magic hair tonic and grow back all your hair.......or you're still bald.

Take a magic fat burner and get skinny........or you're still fat

Wear a magic suit and see more and bigger deer......or nothing changes.


All have a very positive upside and no downside other then feeling like you wasted your money............which is a chance many are willing to take.


People have been getting rich off this fact for a LONG time now.

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I do.[/quote]

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TR Michels, huh? He used to post on here a lot... So that's what he's been up to lately! :)Way to make friends in the industry... [8D]

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I guess this means out-of-state/guided hunts for 150" class deer is a waste of money to those who live where there are few/no monster bucks.:eek:

LT

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It only takes oneto reach to deer's noseso it's not a cover all as preceived by most that use it. It give you a falsesenceof protection.The wind swirls but if you hunt the wind you have just as much chance at getting winded with it or with out it.Save your money and do it right to begin with, hunt the wind.

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So you detractors are saying it doesn't work at all, correct. Is that what you're saying? Or....might it help (___%)?

Just to be clear.....

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Why? You do not use it.

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Not at all I used it and wasn't overally impressed my deer sightings didn't go up compared to using baking soda.

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Well.... Since 'skeptical' isn't nearly a strong enough word... Yes. I guess that's what I am saying. I've looked at the military specifications on reactivating carbon. I've read a good number of industry tech sheets. I've seen multiple photos like the one posted above. I've given it plenty of thought. My thoughts, based on what I've learned - T.R. Michels notwithstanding, Germ ;):

Carbon doesn't act like a vaccum cleaner, sucking scent from it's surroundings. It can only adsorb scent molecules that come in direct contact with it. So, any gap between carbon particles lets scent through.

Carbon doesn't care what it adsorbs. You buy it to adsorb your scent molecules but it'll take up whatever it comes in contact with. I figure the carbon in these clothes is already at least close to saturated with scent from the manufacturing process (machine lubricants, dyes, material handlers, packaging, etc). Not to mention any additional handling at the store before you ever get the stuff.

Carbon can only be reactivated in an oxygen free environment at temperatures that would totally destroy the garment. The home dryer treatment can only cook off a small percentage of the most highly volatile gases, meaning it will soon be completely saturated with less volatile or inert molecules and incapable of adsorbing anything else.

Washing... Any detergent is going to be adsorbed, if the stuff is still capable of adsorbing ANYTHING, and it isn't volatile enough to be cooked out in the heat from a clothes dryer. If the carbon wasn't saturated before, it will be after it's first washing.

At least the stuff does have one thing going for it. As you can see in the photo, it's a tight, close weave fabric. Good quality material. But I think you'd get the same scent control effect by wearing any non-carbon garment made from fabric with the same weave. Add extra layers in colder weather and it'd be even better.

If I felt I needed scent blocking clothing, I'd go with cyclodextrin material. At least the tech sheets on that stuff give it a pretty good chance of working as advertised.

Materials list for a simple at-home experiment: 1 opened bottle of skunk scent, cedar oil, doe pee, etc. Your favorite activated carbon scent blocking garment. 1 functional nose. Experiment: Take a sniff and see if you can smell the stuff through the scent blocking clothes. Try the same experiment with blue jeans. Any difference?

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Arthur i have no issues with your findings.

Like I said posting a picture from TR site just bugs me. What you posted here I would not even posted on this thread.

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I use it, but, it isn't a must.

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No, it is absolutely not a must.

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Nope...........that would be a problem that is EASILY fixed by money


Try to keep up ;)

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Why would I use something that doesn't work?

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When it comes to the issue of whether carbon clothing works or not, sometimes it's best to agree to disagree.

That's the bad thing with science, IMO. Science can prove, or disprove, anything it wants. Case in point.......the earth is 100 million years old....or, the earth is 10,000 years old....science can prove both of those.

The way I understand this.....carbon clothing can be re-GENERATED, not re-ACTIVATED, in household dryer because we are talking about a physical bond, not a chemical one, right?

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a must or not a must either way i bought the scent blocker realtree road trips suit jacket and pants im new school ill try all the new stuff if i can and plus it looks good feels good and fits good so i like it as far as how good it works ill figure that out sept 29th

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Yes, thats whatI am saying. It doesn't work. They say forget the wind. I seen my friend covered head to toe in the silly suit and watched deer wind him so many timesI about fell out of the tree laughing. Most of the time I kill my deer wearing a T shirt and playing the wind. This is just my opinion of the stuff. My friend still wears his. [X(]

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Only the parties bickering about it.:D

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Just another average consumer!

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Nope i dont think you need it myself, I dont have it either and i have had plenty of deer well within bow range and no problems just make sure you use plenty of cover scent. I put my clothes in a rubbermaid container along with my boots some earth scented dryer sheets and a couple of earth scented wafers . Gd Luck

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I'm new to this forum but it seems rather silly to me to be bickering over a silly issue like this! If you think it works use it...................if you think it's crap,keep your mouth shut and don't use it! That's what's great about America we are free to use or not use whatever we want and yes free to say whatever also but like was said earlier in this thread,why bash something, just state your opinion on wether you think it is a must or not and be done with it!

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So why do you constantly whine about the size of the bucks in your area. Get off your tightwad butt and go somewhere you can kill a trophy if thatis what you want.[:-]

Sorry atlas, you are just so gullible to respond to anything with a rhetorical comment.

LT

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Ok, but why do the ones that don't use it have to keep THEIR mouths shut? Why can't the guys that DO use it keep their mouths shut? THAT'S what's great about America, we are free to use and not use what we want, and we are free to say whether we like it or not, and why.

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Yea tell us, why do we have to keep out mouths shut?

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What I mean by that is if you don't like it or use it you don't need to bash it..................and for that matter if you have never used it you have nothing worth saying because you have no experience with it...........I have used scent lok and still sometimes wear a jacket made from it,but I don't believe it is a MUST and I also would not bash it by saying it's a waste of money for someone that believes in it..................the guy that started this thread asked a simple question and 7 pages later it seems to be a war of scent lok vs. non-scent lok seems rather silly to me. And being new to this forum if this is what it is all about i don't think I will stick around long..........there are way too many hunting forums out here that do this same crap everyday and it gets old![:@]

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Now THERE'S a statement I agree with......100%. Thank you.

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I'm surprised. If I thought it had ZERO % effectiveness......I probably wouldn't use it. Thing is, though.....my road trips jacket that sells for about $150......I have $80 in it. It's still good camo. I like the fit and the weight of the jacket. My dream season pants are great in cool weather.....and I have less than $100 in them. Again.....good camo if it doesn't do anything more than my "regular" camo.

It'll "work" 6-10 times this year, I'm betting;).

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Bye.

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Are you saying I should leave because that is all this forum is about? Bickering and brand bashing? I think it is time we as hunters should stand together and agree to disagree on certain issues,this kind of in fighting is rediculous and just fuels the anti idiots who think we are all idiots.......well this kinda thing might prove "their" case!!!!!!!!!

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lol:D:D

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Wrong.

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Which is it??.........on one hand you tell people to shut up but then say they are free to say whatever they want.

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Show me one time I have whined about the size of bucks in my area because I NEVER have. You really shouldn't misquote people because it makes you look stupid and petty. JMO.


If I want to I will..........I spend my money freely and have plenty of it so again the quote of tightwad is stupid and completely off base.........nothing more then a childish desperate attempt to try and find SOMETHING to say about another member because you have nothing of value to add on the topic. Stop misquoting people because I have said nothing that you implied in this thread.



The only reason I responded was to correct you because (big surprise) you posted something that was untrue.

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The honest to god truth is if this sort of stuff bothers you then you probably won't like it here. This is pretty mild, and not to mention something that has been covered probably at least 5 times. Take a look at most of threads on here and you will see what I mean.

Or just don't read the threads your not interested in, that's what I do. I have been to a lot of hunting sites and this one is about the best there is, even with the bickering and off topic posts. Mainly because of the amount traffic it gets.

If you want I can suggest some other good sites though. Almost all of them will have subjects like this at one point or another though. Just not as many because they don't get as much traffic.

And I don't really know that I would call it bashing products as much as I would call it giving honest opinions, which are hard to come by now a days. That is one of the things I like about sites like these. Real people will tell you what they really think. You can't go by what you read in the magazines or what "professional" hunters say. They are paid to do what they do and they will not jeopardize that pay check by telling you how they honestly feel. Especially if it makes a potential sponsor look bad.

We on the other don't care, if we don't like something we will tell you. And if we do like it we will tell you. Or we will argue the point for 50 pages sometimes;). Type WB or whisker biscuit into the search engine and see what happens. Your computer may lock up:D.


And who says you have to own something to know if it works or not. I have seen lots of bad ideas or crap items I didn't need to waste my money on to see if they worked or not. All it takes is a half a brain and a little research.


I'd hate to see you go, there is plenty of good info on this site if you sift through some of the crap.

What if I went on a car site and said I was thinking of getting a Yugo. Do you think everyone would just keep their mouths shut? No, I would probably get quite a few people telling me it's a crap car and not to waste my money. And that is exactly what I would want and expect.

Paul

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How is discussing whether scent loc works or not going to help the Anti Hunters? That is a huge leap that needs to be explained to me.

Paul

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Don't forget to let the contest know so they can replace you with an alternate.