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GMMAT 08-14-2007 11:19 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

A buck can remember a location where he's sensed danger for more than a couple of weeks, sometimes the rest of the season. It depends on how alarming and how often the occurance was.
OK...(and once again I trust your judgement)....but the original premise was "possibly" being winded. Nothing more. Are you saying that's "alarming" enough or that this "occurrence" might rememebr this location for a season? Just curious.


Deer can sense predatory behavior vs farming behavior,
I fyou mean strolling through the woods vs. combining, I agree. If you mean strolling through a field edge with a bow vs. strolling through a field edge with a backpack sprayer.....I'm not sure I'm with ya.


These observations that I've had make forgreat hunting experiences and iswhat molds my hunting methods.
Kudos. But I'd ask....have you ever killed a deer that emerged from downwind? If so.....and you get down and move when the wind shifts out of your favor......how do you know what you've potentially walked off and left?

I've gotten down and moved on a whim.....a "feeling" that something wasn't right. I put just as much credence in those situations as I would moving due to a wind shift.

Good stuff, though, GregH. I see lots of deer and lots of deer activity. I just can't tell what they're thinking, smelling, seeing (most times). I'll keep watching, though.;)


bawanajim 08-14-2007 11:20 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

ORIGINAL: GregH


ORIGINAL: GMMAT



You can use cover scents ,carbon suits and all the other gadgets out there but as long as you are breathing & exhaling a buck can and will smell you.

Then why play the wind???
So he DON'T smell you.
Thanks Greg , but some refuse to see the forest for the trees. :eek:

GMMAT 08-14-2007 11:22 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

You can use cover scents ,carbon suits and all the other gadgets out there but as long as you are breathing & exhaling a buck can and will smell you.
Sorry, Jim. I took your statement at face value.

HuntingBry 08-14-2007 11:32 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 
I don't think anyone has indicated that it is impossible to kill a deer that has come in from downwind. It has been done, I have done it. That doesn't mean that I'm going to disregard the many other instances I have personally observed of deer catching my wind and blowing out, or in the case of older deer, slinking away.Swirling winds are one thing, we can't control that, but if a wind isdead wrong and you hunt the stand anyway that is justasking for trouble. The bottom line is why take a chance at ruining a good spot if the wind is wrong. If you know your property you should be able to quickly change to a back up location without going into core areas.

It isn't gospel, but if you want to be successful you've got to tip the odds in your favor, and playing the wind is just common sense for improving those odds.

GregH 08-14-2007 11:34 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


A buck can remember a location where he's sensed danger for more than a couple of weeks, sometimes the rest of the season. It depends on how alarming and how often the occurance was.
My statement speaks for itself. He's sensed danger, generally the more mature the buck is, the more likely he won't take a chance if he's not sure. He'll just disappear.
OK...(and once again I trust your judgement)....but the original premise was "possibly" being winded. Nothing more. Are you saying that's "alarming" enough or that this "occurrence" might rememebr this location for a season? Just curious.


Deer can sense predatory behavior vs farming behavior,
Again, deer can tell predatory behavior vs casual non-threatening behavior.

I fyou mean strolling through the woods vs. combining, I agree. If you mean strolling through a field edge with a bow vs. strolling through a field edge with a backpack sprayer.....I'm not sure I'm with ya.


These observations that I've had make forgreat hunting experiences and iswhat molds my hunting methods.
Kudos. But I'd ask....have you ever killed a deer that emerged from downwind?Yes, my scent was blowing over him. If so.....and you get down and move when the wind shifts out of your favor......how do you know what you've potentially walked off and left? If a wind switches and is wrong for my stand, I scan the area intently then get down and leave as quietly as possible. In the most non-threatening manner possible. I've busted deer doing this, but not often.

I've gotten down and moved on a whim.....a "feeling" that something wasn't right. I put just as much credence in those situations as I would moving due to a wind shift.

Good stuff, though, GregH. I see lots of deer and lots of deer activity. I just can't tell what they're thinking, smelling, seeing (most times). I'll keep watching, though.;)


GMMAT 08-14-2007 11:36 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

but if a wind isdead wrong and you hunt the stand anyway that is justasking for trouble.
I agree.....and no one is advocating that, here.


The bottom line is why take a chance at ruining a good spot if the wind is wrong.
Again.....no one is advocating this.


It isn't gospel, but if you want to be successful you've got to tip the odds in your favor, and playing the wind is just common sense for improving those odds.
I agree to an extent...but I'm not fanatical about it (meaning I won't move if I'm already there). That's ALL I'm saying.....



bawanajim 08-14-2007 11:43 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


You can use cover scents ,carbon suits and all the other gadgets out there but as long as you are breathing & exhaling a buck can and will smell you.
Sorry, Jim. I took your statement at face value.
I know this is hard for you but some of us place stands where it is very difficult for a deer to approach us from down wind.This is done by using roads, creeks ,pondsor even man made obstacles ,such as dirty tee shirts strategically placed to prevent deer from approaching from down wind.
I am in North West PA ,the predominant wind is off of lake Erie. So I place and approach stands accordingly. Then comes along a low pressure front with winds spinning counter clock wise and you experience south ,south east winds . If this occurs it places bedding grounds that are usually down wind from the predominant West .north west winds susceptible to stands that are other wise useless, When all the pieces allfall together and this happens during the first two weeks of November during the pre rut then those stands that have been abandoned for years are worth there weight in gold.
This all probably seems beyond your realm of bow hunting ,but to some of us buck hunting is very important and doing it right is even more important.
Every year some kid with a borrowed bow kills a monster buck it happens ,I would rather not count on luck as the determining factorif I'm going to be successful or not.

HuntingBry 08-14-2007 11:54 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


but if a wind isdead wrong and you hunt the stand anyway that is justasking for trouble.
I agree.....and no one is advocating that, here.


The bottom line is why take a chance at ruining a good spot if the wind is wrong.
Again.....no one is advocating this.


It isn't gospel, but if you want to be successful you've got to tip the odds in your favor, and playing the wind is just common sense for improving those odds.
I agree to an extent...but I'm not fanatical about it (meaning I won't move if I'm already there). That's ALL I'm saying.....


Jeff, my post was kept general because there is too much personal interest here. It's not all about you. No offense.

GMMAT 08-14-2007 11:54 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 
I'd like to hear more about the smelly shirts. I might learn something.

First deer I ever took....I'd been watching them emerge from their sanctuary for a week or better. I sat two days waiting on a good wind to go a little deeper towards where I saw them coming from. Third day arrives and I get my wind. I'm there.....set up.....and what happens? TWENTY+ deer come from behind me.

I'll play it to my favor every chance I get. I don't doubt the conventional wisdom...but I won't base my entire season or even SOME hunts on it. Difference of opinion.

Just like the "One shot Practice" thread and the "Pick a hair when Aiming posts".....I just think there's more ways to skin a deer. I don't walk lock-step with conventional thinking at every turn. Heck...we're even shooting does, now.

Anyone can call what someone else does "luck". I plan on being lucky multiple times, this year.

GMMAT 08-14-2007 11:56 AM

RE: I always hear this story...
 
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