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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
Doe study:
Reproduction: With good health and good nutrition, whitetailed deer are prolific breeders. Examination of over 600 does in Nebraska has shown about 60 percent breed as fawns (when they are about six months old) and virtually all of the older deer produce young. At least a portion of the buck fawns are capable of reproduction. Breeding commences in mid October and peaks in mid-to-late November for adults, and about one month later for fawns. A buck may mate with several does - up to 20 has been noted under pen conditions. Fawns are born after a gestation period of about 201 days, from early May through late September, with about 60 percent of the total born in June. Does bred when less than a year of age normally produce a single fawn, with 10 percent of them earing twins. Older does average almost two fawns - 67 percent have twins, 21 percent have single fawns and 12 percent have triplets. This means that about 140 fawns are born for every 100 does in the population. The whitetail's reproductive rate is quite high when compared to the mule deer's, which is about 94 fawns per 100 does per year. Only about seven percent of mule deer does breed as fawns. A year later, 94 percent of whitetails and only 68 percent of mule deer become pregnant as yearlings. About 79 percent of pregnant whitetail does carry twins or triplets, while only 52 percent of pregnant mule deer does have multiple births. At birth, a female fawn weighs about 5 1/2 pounds, and a male about 7 1/2 pounds. A fawn is capable of walking shortly after birth, but its movement is limited during the first few days. When the fawn is two or three weeks old, it begins eating vegetation in addition to nursing. A fawn is normally weaned when it is about four months old, but is capable of surviving without milk at three months or less. About 30 percent of the fawns do not survive until fall. l don't know why the color did that or of what use the info may be, just bored. I summarized we need to shoot does. |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
Actually some scholarly studies show that on average it is not a 50/50 ration of bucks to does, it is more like 60/40. I know University of Florida and I think Auburntooboth have these results.
Ok, now from personal experience. Yes, bucks seem to move more in a high population area (If you don't hunt in a area with 45+ deer per sq mile, then don't comment!)The club my friend,brother, and dad are ina club that had a reported 500 bucks(No spikes) killed during the 9-day muzzleloder season, which is during the rut. They killed more bucks in muzzleloder season than the11 week rifle season and 4 week bow combined(350). But that's just myopinion that they move more. You actually have to have the large sustainable food capacity and management, which mostregions don't have. |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
Alright guys you are making this way to complicated.
Lets talk animals in general. Lets talk top of the foor chian stuff - but -just animals. Grizzly bear - no natural enimies 1 to 1 ratio African lion - no natural enemies 1 to 1 Indian Tiger - no natural enimies 1 to 1 These are creatures that multiply naturally to replace ones that have died off. Hell even pine trees are 1 to 1 Natures way is there are enough guys and girls to go around. Nobody should get left out. Survival of the fittest sure the big guys beat hell out of the little guys and get all the girls they want YES Do they get ALL the girls NO - Them little pencil neck rascals get their share The system is not designed that the dominate animal getsALL the girls. If that were to happen after a while you would have almost a cloning environment and all the Alpha males would be virtually identical in power and @ that point KILL each other CUZ they were too evenly matched. The pecking order serves a good pourpose. The big guy gets the most and he doesn't have to kill himself or any other males to do it. The # 2 guy toted an ass whippin from #1 so he slides down the road a piece and takes some out of the #3 guys stash. Everybody gets a little and nobody has to die to get some. A few black eyes, a few lumps and bruises, But in the end everybody gets a little and life goes on. Natures way works : That is why we are here |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
(And dont try to throw in the argument about fall turkey season.The few hens harvested then does not even compare to the number of males taken in the spring) |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
I still wanna see some proof to the claim that more does (than bucks)is "natural".
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178 I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other? (And dont try to throw in the argument about fall turkey season.The few hens harvested then does not even compare to the number of males taken in the spring) |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178 I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other? (And dont try to throw in the argument about fall turkey season.The few hens harvested then does not even compare to the number of males taken in the spring) |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
Maybe when the turkey population catches up to the deer population we can find out!
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I still wanna see some proof to the claim that more does (than bucks)is "natural". |
RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: drhntr178 I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other? (And dont try to throw in the argument about fall turkey season.The few hens harvested then does not even compare to the number of males taken in the spring) |
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