GMMAT

I think there are exceptions to this......at least I hope so.

Right now I'm interested in herd REDUCTION. Balance is a side benefit (hopefully).

Germ

That is a false statement, I ask can you prove it? I know plenty guys who care, and do not shoot big rack deer. They hunt the UP of MI and seen what happen when the deer herd was managed poorly by our DNR.
Deer yards destroyed, Populations went way down below carring capacity. These guys could careless about racks. They just want to enjoy hunting again. It all happen because the population got way to high.

I care and I will try to shoot big racks here in MI regardless of what happens. I will still whack does as needed to help our area. If I did not care I would never shoot a doe Atlas. Every time I shoot one my chances of shooting a mature deer goes down.



I can only speak about MI.

We have a camp thatwants to see deer and lots of them. They care about nothing more than seeing deer. If they had it their way a doe tag would not be issued. We have three camps, one about QDM(big racks), TDM(Tradional DeerManagement - Quantity). The guys who want to enojoy hunting and do what is best for the herd. They may shoot big racks and they may not.

really? So if you ran around for 2 weeks and lost atleast 30% of your weight, and sleep and eatvery little you would be as healthy as me who did not? Lets not forget trying to beat up the guy who is after your harem. I would think you would be a little more than winded I forgot you had lots of sex also

quiksilver

Check out this link guys. Come interesting charts that are related to this conversation.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/game_management/deer/antlers_inherited/

GR8atta2d

Hmmmmmthiscould be a contender??



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I learned something from this post!

Rick James

Without a doubt.......this is it. [8D]

Who woulda known.....I voted for Jeff.

NEW61375

That was a pretty interesting read.

GMMAT

Atlas...

Edit:

I understand (read it again).

I have the same feling when I walk away from the meeting i had with a neighboring farmer. He gave me the same speech.....though our herd IS in need of "management".

He's just a flat out liar. He has no intentions of practicing what he preaches. His shed is adorned with evidence of such.

davidmil

I'm with Atlasman on this one. Welcome back Atlas. I was watching a hunting show yesterday. The guy shot a younger buck.(His last day of hunting.... hmmmmmm??) Anyway, first words out of his mouth, "Nice management buck". Give me a break. If I shot the dang thing he'd tell me I should have let it grow up for the "HEALTH of the HERD". He gives up and doesn't want to eat tag soup he calls it a "Management buck". LOL. And you're right about the NY deer Atlas. They're butter ball fat and weigh more at a year and a half than most of those "Well Managed" deer in Texas at 4 or 5. They might look a little beat up after10 or 11 feet of snow in the winter but they bounce right back. Right on Atlasman.[8D]

Germ

Are we talking about ranches now DM? I thought we were talking how DNR(Dec) NY wants to manage the herd.

Your last line is what used to happen in the UP in MI. One year they did not bounce back[]

GR8atta2d

If I may tie 2 threads together. What canone person in a one or two deer state expect to accomplish in maintaining a healthy herd. Not much, the best you could do is let the best buck in your area walk..wow. Who's signing up for that commitment?

Now if I may ask GMMAT and HuntingEda question. (Not to call you two out, but you have made many statements that your goal is to reduce your herd.)

What are yourreasons for herd reduction?

1. Deer are starving, not enough food to sustain them.
2.Helping the local farmers, who are the ones sufferring.
3. Deer vs car incidents too high surrounding your area.
4. Buck to doe ratio to high, and this is bad because.....
5. Wish to grow better Bucks.
6.Other