RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Same as you then ;)

Not what I asked you.


I'm talking both. Why have I never heard of a group of hunters banning together to insure that young male rabbits are let go so they can grow??


So when a challenge arises you react by giving up and hoping for a compromise at best???

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

HB - that clears a lot and makes you not come off like as much of an extremest - something both sides tend to gravitate too.

Your point about your area being different is one we all need to remember in these discussions.

Remember as well, the greater the challenge you undertake for yourself, the greater your own reward will be.

Steve

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Atlas, I don't want to force you or anyone else into doing something you don't want to do, but I like to shoot bigger bucks than I have previously shot. If everyone is shooting bucks before they get old enough to get bigger than anything I have shot, then it will be nearly impossible to accomplish my goal. If the state will make it possible for me to do it then I'm all for it. If they don't then I'll either have to find a place that has the bucks I'm after or adjust my priorities.

If you like shooting small/young bucks and it makes you happy and it's legal, go for it. I don't hold it against you, it's just not what I want to do. I'm not going to tell you not to do it because it interferes with what I want to do. It may frustrate me, but I've got more of a problem with the poachers and jacklighters than I do with an honest hunter wacking a little buck that makes him happy.

As far as your WOW, you may not like it, but that is the world we live in. Ask Bwanajim why he lives where he does. For some reason it's OK for everyone else to want to have the best, but we have to feel bad for trophy hunting. Nice double standard society has for us.

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

No I work with them, you should try it. Working with DNR got me Turkeys on our farm.

I am a deer hunter ask a bunny hunter:D

Yes, but have you mounted any other deer? If not than why? A small buck is just as good as a big buck. Yes I have few of my smaller ones mounted

One on the right was my first 8 point, the one on the left was the first buck I shot while hunting with gramps. One in the middle is just big:D



One on the bottom my wifewanted made into a basket[:-]

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Steve, great point. That's why I continuously raise the bar for myself.

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Because 95% of QDM BS is just TDM in disguise...........easier then spotting a bad toupee.



My business partner was born and raised in Dearborn and hunted the UP many years............he disagrees. You're 0 for 1 ;)

Why??..........wanting to be able to choose what and how I hunt is not personal freedom??


AR=asking..........more like telling others to help.


I love Trigger.

You said heavier=healthier. When I asked a question earlier you compared humans (me and you) to rutting bucks running around and losing weight during the chase. But now when I ask if a 700lb man is as healthy as a 180lb man suddenly comparing to humans is silly.

How convenient for you ;)

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Atlas, How do you keep up with all these people and respond to each and every statement?

My buddy shot about a 110" deer out where we hunt and I went with him to check it in. The local Game and Parks officers said that is about the best size deer we could get out where we hunt. I didn't say anything to them but that statement was absolutely dead wrong. These are the guys that are judging the herd and setting the tag limits out here. I didn't tell him that I had seen multiple deer much larger and also have sheds ranging from 50 to 75" per side.

Atlas, I stated that in some cases the big deer are just not seen. Granted there are places where the big deer just are not.

The biggest thing that comes to my mind is that not one single person on this earth will ever know what they are really doing to a wild herd. There is no control over ranging animals and no matter how hard they try to change it it will simply follow its own course.

The only thing that can be done for trophy hunters is to not shoot younger deer and let them age. It will not change the health of them like they lead you to believe but they will have some older deer that will have the time to support larger horn.

BTW I can not rememeber who posted it but I really liked the Horn Porn comment.

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You know I just don't want the goverment mandating more of my life. I'm happy doing what I'm doing. If I decide I want to stalk up on a small buck and shoot him off the ground well that's what I enjoy. You want to shoot a large racked deer walking under your tree stand fine. Just don't mandate how I'm supposed to hunt anymore then it already is.

For some people raising the bar is going totally primative making their ownbows and arrows etc and hunting out of natural blinds and shooting at only ten yards for them a spike could a real trophy.

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I don't need money or big bucks.............just to be left alone to hunt as I choose.

RE: Healthy herd myth
 

Well hunting it and living there are two differnet things

I have never ask for AR in MI;)or anyplace else. I read some studies on them and I do not like them. They work, but I see bigger issues with them here in MI.

Yes Atlas in deer. Funny how my comparisons are in the scope of what we are talking about, and yours are on there way to Fantasy land to see Tatoo.