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RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: bawanajim Germ is the only one here that is smart enough to look at the middle ground. Both sides need to step back and realize we are never all going to agree. Horn Porn has done more to divide deer hunters than every thing else combined. There is a middle ground if you want to hunt big bucks hunt them but S.T.F.U. when your neighbor is happy with his six point. If you want to kill every doe you see , go for it but don't tell me I'm not doing my part when I don't shoot any. Some thing elseis how guilty some of you feel about the shape of the deer herds in your area. You all say listen to the biologist but aren't they the very ones that have been wrong so many times in the past. [:-] To listen to you guys talk about your "mission" for hunting this season and I don't feel many of you have any ideahow to just go out and enjoy a day in the woods deer hunting. Its about having fun. You manage a business and you hunt deer!!!!!!!!!!!;) The deer have gotten buy just fine before you herd managers got here and they will do just fine when your gone.[&:][:o][8D]  |
RE: Healthy herd myth
I want big antlers and I want to shoot the biggest bucks I can. If the state will help make the bucks in my area grow bigger to satisfy that desire, I will support it 100%. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: Germ For example a 3 point MARS(one side)means in the last 20 years you would have not shot 1 deer. Is that correct? Nope...........I have shot a pile of 4 pointers. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
Ok then Atlas good luck
I have a feeling change is on the way for NY. PA's success is going to push you guys. We have the same argument here in MI. Change is coming for us, and I am happy to be part of it. I have read some post from NY board, and read Email from a QDM guy there. I agree with you people should shoot what they want 100%, but big bucks is big money so lets be honest and try to get a system works for eveyone. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: Germ For example a 3 point MARS(one side)means in the last 20 years you would have not shot 1 deer. Is that correct? Nope...........I have shot a pile of 4 pointers. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: Wheatley Older mature deer become very wary and are very hard to pattern/find. So to alot of hunters it is probably easy to convince them that they don't have enough "healthy deer" when in some cases they just never see them. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The QDM boys mantra coming back to bite them in the arse  Funny how the same crowd that is always telling us there are big mature bruisers out there..............we just can't find them (even though they have never seen the woods we have hunted for decades)...........are the same ones judging the "herd health" by what we kill every year. Why isn't it possible that the herd is at peak health right now.............and all the old mature brutes doing all the mating are just so elusive that we never see them. Makes sense from what QDM guys have been telling me for years now. Can't have it both ways...........one of those viewpoints is wrong. |
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PA's success is going to push you guys NY already has certain are's that cater to QDM your into it go hunt there. If I only have limited time to hunt and decide to shoot a four point what buisness should it be of yours? With thehuge amount of deer getting hit by cars in my area it won't make much of a difference. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy If NY put a MARS say 3 on a side for bucks how would that effect your hunting? doe tags we can get.The 3/side would actually increase the pressure on the aprox 50% of our 1 1/2 yo bucks that meet or exceed this standard. Counter productive and leads to hi grading - which cannot be argued as healthy. Doe tags hear are given based on pop densities in the ind wmu's - some give few or none al the way to others where 2 are expected and you can get 2 additional signed over to you. This is with your big game (gun/reg season) license. Buy a bow/mz license and get an additional either sex and antler less. The hunters who statewide mar would hurtare the gun only guys who don't get drawn for a doe tag. Severely limits what they can shoot - in a couple years of no opportunities, they will drop out and our numbers drop. Also affected are the reg season hunters who may only get out opening day and maybe Thanksgiving morning - severely restrict their chances of shooting a deer and we start to loose them as well. These 2 groups make up a significant % of our total numbers - numbers needed to protect our seasons. I don't want to lose even one of them because I want to restrict them only to the way I hunt. Just my thoughts Steve Bravo..............nice to see someone else who REALLY understands hunting in NY. |
RE: Healthy herd myth
Here is email posted on our board in MI
Ed Spin Hope things are going well for you. Here's some information on QDM interest by the general hunting public in the Northeast. I cover from Delaware to Maine and Eastern Canada, and New York sportsmen and women have by far shown the most interest in QDM during the past year. Average attendance at educational seminars is higher in NY than any other state I work in (75-100 people/NY seminar vs 50-75 people/other state seminar). I chartered 4 Branches in NY since August 2004 and will charter 2 more within the next 6 weeks. The NY Dept. of Environmental Conservation (DEC) is proactive with regards to deer management. The DEC may have 1 or more counties with some type of antler restrictions for the upcoming deer season. An increasing number of NY hunters are seeing improvements to PA's deer herd and are asking for similar changes to NY's hunting framework. The QDMA has a solid group of Branches in NY and a good working relationship with the DEC. Kip P. Adams Wildlife Biologist & Regional Director, QDMA |
RE: Healthy herd myth
Kip P. Adams
Wildlife Biologist & Regional Director, QDMA No bias there right? |
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