Preferences..single or dual cam?
07-30-2007 | 07:52 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
ORIGINAL: davepjr71
Typical cam bows that use the split yoke have problems with cam lean due to the upper harness attached to the outside of the limbs?
By attaching the cables to the cam instead of the end of the limbs there is less chance of cam lean. It's not only done by Bowtech.
Also,Binary cam bowshave 2 seperate cables not 1 continuous cable like the cam1.5 and the single cam. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they have 1 continuous cable? By slaving the cams together using the 2 cables both binaries turn together and eliminate timing issues.
Typical cam bows that use the split yoke have problems with cam lean due to the upper harness attached to the outside of the limbs?
By attaching the cables to the cam instead of the end of the limbs there is less chance of cam lean. It's not only done by Bowtech.
Also,Binary cam bowshave 2 seperate cables not 1 continuous cable like the cam1.5 and the single cam. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they have 1 continuous cable? By slaving the cams together using the 2 cables both binaries turn together and eliminate timing issues.
How so? Expand on this for us..........
I have personally owned 3x binary cam bows and have tuned at least 50 others literally. I know how they are cabled quite well. I never stated they had one continuous cable, but if you add the two together you have significantly more cabling than a single cam. My statement wasn't to show that the single cam was superior to a binary or cam.5 or dually because of shorter overall cable lengths, it was to show that the statement "a more consistent shooting system without the 100" of string to constantly stretch and creep on ya" is not accurate.
07-30-2007 | 08:00 PM
#12
Typical Buck
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From: NW Illinois
RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
ORIGINAL: davepjr71
Typical cam bows that use the split yoke have problems with cam lean due to the upper harness attached to the outside of the limbs? Split yokes make it easy to fix cam lean.
By attaching the cables to the cam instead of the end of the limbs there is less chance of cam lean. It's not only done by Bowtech.False: It makes it harder to take out cam lean.
Also,Binary cam bowshave 2 seperate cables not 1 continuous cable like the cam1.5 and the single cam. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they have 1 continuous cable? By slaving the cams together using the 2 cables both binaries turn together and eliminate timing issues.Cam & 1/2 uses 2 cables,controle and buss.
Typical cam bows that use the split yoke have problems with cam lean due to the upper harness attached to the outside of the limbs? Split yokes make it easy to fix cam lean.
By attaching the cables to the cam instead of the end of the limbs there is less chance of cam lean. It's not only done by Bowtech.False: It makes it harder to take out cam lean.
Also,Binary cam bowshave 2 seperate cables not 1 continuous cable like the cam1.5 and the single cam. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they have 1 continuous cable? By slaving the cams together using the 2 cables both binaries turn together and eliminate timing issues.Cam & 1/2 uses 2 cables,controle and buss.
07-30-2007 | 08:02 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
My old Hoyt with command cams does not have any timing issues. Strings and cables are way better now. I still like single cams though. I have had winners choice on my ROSS with 0 creep in two years
No design is "better" these days IMO. Put a good set of stings and cables in them and they all work great.
No design is "better" these days IMO. Put a good set of stings and cables in them and they all work great.
07-30-2007 | 08:02 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
ORIGINAL: davepjr71
Isn't that the Hoyt's that use the shoot through string systems to fix the cam lean problems?
I don't believe that is required for the binary cam bows.
Also, I beleive I actually anwsered the question that was asked. I didn't name bows until the commetns started.
Isn't that the Hoyt's that use the shoot through string systems to fix the cam lean problems?
I don't believe that is required for the binary cam bows.
Also, I beleive I actually anwsered the question that was asked. I didn't name bows until the commetns started.
NO,Martin has a shoot through system but not Hoyt.They do have a shoot through riser.
When a cam 1/2 has lean,you just adjust the lean out.
When a binary has lean,you need new limbs.[8D]
And for the record,Hoyt uses a power cable and a controll cable.Neither of which is anywhere near 100"s
Yea,this should get good.
07-30-2007 | 08:04 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Balt, MD (orig: J-town,PA) The bowels of Hell!!!
RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
By moving the cables to the cams and placing as close to center as possible the cams will pull straight down on the cam. By shaping the cam in a certain way this will also aid in making sure the cam turns straight over without cam lean. You'll have to read the literature from Ross and Bowtech if you want a more technical explanation since I didn't create the design just understand what they've done and why it is a smart idea.
Why use a band-aid system of tweaking cables sides and such when it is not required with a proper design?
Each cable on my Allegiance is only 38" long. That adds up to only 76" of cable. That's not significantlymore than just about any bow.All cables cross twice on most compounds whether you have 1 continuous cable or 2. Therefore, I'm not sure how you determined that there is significantly more length? Is there design on a single cam bow that just has 1 cable between both the idler and the cam with out crossing back down?
Why use a band-aid system of tweaking cables sides and such when it is not required with a proper design?
Each cable on my Allegiance is only 38" long. That adds up to only 76" of cable. That's not significantlymore than just about any bow.All cables cross twice on most compounds whether you have 1 continuous cable or 2. Therefore, I'm not sure how you determined that there is significantly more length? Is there design on a single cam bow that just has 1 cable between both the idler and the cam with out crossing back down?
07-30-2007 | 08:06 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Balt, MD (orig: J-town,PA) The bowels of Hell!!!
RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
ORIGINAL: TFOX
NO,Martin has a shoot through system but not Hoyt.They do have a shoot through riser.
When a cam 1/2 has lean,you just adjust the lean out.
When a binary has lean,you need new limbs.[8D]
And for the record,Hoyt uses a power cable and a controll cable.Neither of which is anywhere near 100"s
Yea,this should get good.
ORIGINAL: davepjr71
Isn't that the Hoyt's that use the shoot through string systems to fix the cam lean problems?
I don't believe that is required for the binary cam bows.
Also, I beleive I actually anwsered the question that was asked. I didn't name bows until the commetns started.
Isn't that the Hoyt's that use the shoot through string systems to fix the cam lean problems?
I don't believe that is required for the binary cam bows.
Also, I beleive I actually anwsered the question that was asked. I didn't name bows until the commetns started.
NO,Martin has a shoot through system but not Hoyt.They do have a shoot through riser.
When a cam 1/2 has lean,you just adjust the lean out.
When a binary has lean,you need new limbs.[8D]
And for the record,Hoyt uses a power cable and a controll cable.Neither of which is anywhere near 100"s
Yea,this should get good.
Don't people buy split harness systems for Hoyts? I could have sworn I saw one with my own eyes at the range and on this site.
Yeah, this should be good!!! I figured I'd say that since that seems to be the going term with you guys.
07-30-2007 | 08:09 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Balt, MD (orig: J-town,PA) The bowels of Hell!!!
RE: Preferences..single or dual cam?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Hoyt made a single cam with dual idler wheel. It had two cables.
Hoyt made a single cam with dual idler wheel. It had two cables.
They made the single cam in the mid 90's right? I saw one in 1 of the old Bowhunter magazines I have.