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Arthur P., is that you? Haven't seen him around here since he got roughed up over a similar thread a few months ago. Sure do miss his input around this place.
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Nope - I'm coming back to bow hunting after a 15 year layoff from when I stopped, and about 30 years from when I got my equipment set up. It looks to me like everyone has gone speed crazy...I'll look around for arthur p. though.

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My 452 grain arrows drop 2&quot; between 20 and 25 yards, I've tested that time and time again at the range with fixed and mechanical broadheads. I shoot 29&quot; arrows, 63 pounds and 29&quot; draw. How could that be if a 30&quot; draw, 31&quot; arrows and 70 pound bow would drop 2.5X that? Exactly how perfect is your data?

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ABM I wasn't going to say anything at all in this thread, but my experience switching to one pin at 20 even with my old bow I did not see that big of a difference, but I do not have the experience that many of you have so I will just stand on the sidelines and learn.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

450240 is the constant that is used for calculating KE for an arrow

so
KE = m*v squared/450240


it is recommended that you set up so that you acheive a minimum of 55 ft./lbs for taking deer w/mechanical broadheads and 41 ft./lbs for fixed blade broadheads. so light arrows heavey arrows....do the math and if fit into the KE range for your broadhead then you're fine





Edited by - nodose on 12/31/2002 13:55:43

Ahh yes! The internet experts!
There's always a few.
I shoot 26&quot; ICS hunters at 55lbs with 100gr shockwave expanables.
How very unethical of me!
I wonder if all the deer I've shot with this setup, and none have went over 60 yards, would agree. I must have terrible KE. It's a wonder it breaks the skin!
Those dozens of deer, some pretty nice sized bucks, must be the most unlucky deer in the woods.
I haven't missed or failed to recover a deer in years, every one I've drawn on has fell stone dead within 60 yards. We're allowed pretty much inlimited tags here in NJ and MD, if that's any hint of how many. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Now somebody logs onto the internet and thinks they're an expert, and the same person, who I can guarantee has killed a fraction of the deer I have, is telling me what I'm doing wrong. Wow, I wish I was that smart! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
All this tme I thought waiting for the perfect broadside shot withing 25 yards, and being able to bust nocks at that distance, has been the key. Thanks for the enlightenment.


&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

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My 452 grain arrows drop 2&quot; between 20 and 25 yards, I've tested that time and time again at the range with fixed and mechanical broadheads. I shoot 29&quot; arrows, 63 pounds and 29&quot; draw. How could that be if a 30&quot; draw, 31&quot; arrows and 70 pound bow would drop 2.5X that? Exactly how perfect is your data?

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The example which you quoted was for a responders bow who draws 42 pounds to 26.5 inches. I based the arrow drop on his chronographed arrow speeds.

Good hunting.

Taz, I probably should of just stayed out of it as well. I just can't understand why my bow would be 2.5X more effective with 7 pounds less draw weight, 2&quot; less draw length and the same arrow weight. The only discrepincy that I see is that I actually took my bow to the range and recorded all of that information, I didn't type numbers into a data base and call anybody foolish. I mean, this moose only weighed ~1200 pounds on the hoof and my lightweight arrow surely won't work on it.

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Ahh yes! The internet experts!
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Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Thank you for the mostly deserved criticism. I think that this is an important enough topic that I chose a title that was obviously unfair.

What do YOU think? Would most bowhunters be wise to give up a few yards in effective range in exchange for 10 or 20% more momentum at impact?

beprepn

beprep, I see that now, my mistake, I was basing it off of your original set up with 30&quot; draw and 70 lbs.
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beprep, are you comparing this to data from bows 20-100 years ago that don't even come close to comparing to todays advancements in archery?
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