LT, I hope we're not taking this as arguing, I actually find this pretty interesting.....

What's wrong w/ giving someone a gift? Absolutely nothing......BUT.....Do you not think Andy is wanting, in return, some "advertisement?" I would suspect so.....I would even suspect he asked cougs to do just that....

Pot calling the kettle black??? Hardly. I get a new bow every year because I am fortunate enough to work in an archery shop where all I need to do is trade up every year. It's good business for my shop owner, and I get a new bow out of it.....But let's understand that I had to BUY the first one......With my own hard earned cash......Did I get a discount? Yes. But I wasn't given a bow.......I had to buy it....

Do I think cougs should be able to buy a Hoyt if he wants? Absolutely. Should he be making it out to be better than a bow he was given and hasn't even gotten yet? Absolutely NOT... Hunting, in many ways, is a business now-a-days, and I'm not even gonna get started on that one, HNI doesn't have enough bandwidth.......But like it or not, folks are expected to "play the game" with such "gifts."

I go back to my previous......I would suspect cougs is under some pressure by his "boss" to shoot a bow they sell there.....And understandably so. But I think the mature, RIGHT thing to do would be to contact Ross and let them know things have changed, and that while the gesture is genuinely appreciated, it's no longer necessary, and please give the bow to someone who is in the place I was when this agreement was reached....

I don't know what to say to all this exactly.


As far as being pressured by my boss to shoot Hoyt, not so much. I have got him on the verge of buying a Ross for target. Would you call that advertisment on my part? I would. Me and him played around with it today and his exact words were, "You've got me wanting one of these, I bet I could drive tacks with this thing". Honest to God that's what he said. That's coming from a HOYT staff shooter. He is actually dying to get Ross into the shop but due to dealer agreements and a shop being about 20mi away, it's not possible at the moment.

I love my Ross, I absolutely LOVE it. Great bow, no handshock, quietest bow I've seen at the range yet. Ross IS and will REMAIN #1 in my book. Just because I was THINKING about a Hoyt, does that justify the 3rd degree from my fellow HNI'ers? Probably not. Everyone that comes into the shop asking about Mathews EVERY single worker there says, "If you're looking for a single cam bow, those Ross's are GREAT bows." That's the main reason I take my bow with me to the shop, is to show other people. When I actually go shoot it, all I hear from the other people is just how good it looks and just how quiet it is.

You guys are making it seem that I am betraying Ross's because I shot and was mearly THINKING about buying another bow. I have or will have 2 Ross's. To me that would indicate some brand loyalty, but obviously I am dumber than dirt and don't know anything.

I know they are giving me a bow and everything, but I just don't know how much longer my patience is going to go. I was told by Angie that they would give me a bow at the end of February. I recieved a call at from Mr.Mike Osbourn in May sometime. I was completely bowless from February until a week ago when I got the 337. How many of you guys think you could stand being perfectly healthy and not shooting for 5months? I have shot 1200 arrows thru that 337 in a week, I honestly can't get tired of shooting it. My plans were origanlly to only have the Cardiac, but it getting so close to hunting season I had to buy a bow.


As to my fellow HNI'ers, I think it's time for me to take some time off from this place. So guys, continue to flame away, I'm done posting in this thread and the forums for a little while. Have fun and Take care.

Bye bye now. You gotta have thick skin sometimes in this house. I think you just earned a couple of layers.

That's not the case at all, but you are a teenager, and believe it or not you don't know everything, either. They're are some folks here that have been around a while, and have "played the game" a while.......I guess they're dumber than dirt and don't know anything either, huh??

Well, I'm sorry to see that.....I think it's a bit juvenille that just because a discussion is in progress that you don't agree with you decide to "take some time off from this place" but you gotta do what you think you gotta do.

I hope you haven't taken anything personally....I know nothing I've said was meant as an attack or to belittle you in any way.....Nor was anything anyone else said, of that I am certain.

Bud, I was going to stay out of this thread mainly for the fact that everything I'm thinking has been summed up, but apparently you're still not reaching the point.

The bow is free.

You're paying zero dollars.

Not even shipping.

ZERO dollars.

If the bow comes after the '08 line-up is out and being purchased, you're still recieving a free bow.

Maybe tough love is what's needed here, and maybe I'd get a few glares for this, but here goes;

Andy and Angie took pity on you because you couldn't find a way to puchase a bow on your own. They felt sorry for a kid down on his luck and decided to cut him a break.

This kid is so excited that he becoms the #1 fanboy of Ross and starts talking them up before he's even got it. Great, fantastic, he's supporting the company who took pity on him and helped him out. However annoying it got, we all knew it was because they helped you out.

Now, months later, with the bow still not shipped, you've purchased a bow on your own, which you weren't able to do previously.

Wait.

What?

You purchased a bow on your own?

Isn't that why Andy and Angie were GIVING you one in the first place? Granted its manufactured by the same company, but you've just purchased one on your own which is something you said you couldn't do before.

Ok, so if you're wanting to purchase a Bowtech, fine. If you want a Hoyt, fine.

But if you plan on buying another bow, tell Andy and Angie to give your Cardiac away. You've purchased a bow on your own, you have the bow in your possession, yet you COMPLAIN that it hasn't been shipped.

Your priorities are way mixed up, my man.

Take some time out, think about whats been said, and maybe you'll realize these folks have a point.

Think we are back to the age thing! Younger people sometimes do not know what they have, until its too late. I feel bad for him, his feelings are hurt. Maybe this will wake him up.

I said I would quit but this gets under my skin abit.


YES, I bought a bow on my own. You know where the money came from? Working. I worked hard, and saved money. So what you're saying by this is that I SHOULDN'T have bought a bow and just quietly waited for the free one. Even if that meant missing bowseason? Bowseason here starts in about 50ish days. That about a month and a half. Ross has been saying 4-6 weeks for about 4-6 months. I once again had a decision to make, risk misssing bowseason or buy a "cheap" used bow.

I am NOT trying to sound like I'm complaining about the Cardiac's not shipping fast enough. You guys make it seem like I'm completely oblivious of the fact it's a FREE bow. I'm not stupid, I know what FREE means.

I bought the 337 just in case I didn't have the Cardiac in time for bowseason. Not because I WANTED another bow.

Ok, then.....contact Ross and have them give your bow to someone who really needs it....

No, what I am saying is that while you complained previously, you have found a way to earn the money and purchase your own bow. You no longer NEED the bow that Andy and Angie are giving you and yet you continue to complain that it has yet to be shipped.

Yes, you've had to wait.

Bummer.

I wish I had to wait for a free bow.

I was thinking the same thing, why would you even think about another bow then. Sounds like you have a winner now, shooting it great. And another top shelf bow on the way.

Wash. don't tell me we agree on something....LOL