I must agree with the majority here.........

Ross is going to send you a bow for free.......free. I can't remember how the whole thing started but I believe Andy and Angie caught wind of your plight for wanting a bow and having trouble comming up with the funds for one and after the course of a few weeks and e-mails Angie calls you to let you know that they were going to send you a free Cardiac once they are ready for shippment.

Then you start a thread here on HNIabout it, saying:

If you are still trying to think of something you can do for them to show them how much you appreciate the gesture.....how about NOT talking about buying a different brand bow and how bout NOT saying that Ross has pretty much reached the end of technology for the moment with single cam bows!

Hell you haven't even received the bow and already you're saying:

Way to bite the hand that feeds you.

Cougs, From what I know of you and your posts I think you are a great kid and you have a very mature head on your shoulders for someone who is 16 years old BUT, you really need to take a step back and look at what you are doing here. What you have done is verbally slapped the face of Andy and Angie. They are willing to send you FREE OF CHARGE their top of the line bow for you to have and without even receiving it you have already thought about (and almost bought) a Bowtech and now your singing the praises of Hoyt.

I'd tell you whatI would do if I were Andy.......but I don't think you'll want to hear it.

I am very new to the site, but a long time hunter. I certianly dont was to beat a dead horse, but Coug you cant bite the hand that feeds you. As young as you are and to already have sponsors that is a dream come true. Alot of people would do anything to have the opportunity to be sponsored by a brand/brands. I would do anything to hunt for a living and to be sponsored, but I dont have any connections. You have a great opportunity dont screw it up kid. I thing I learn a long time ago is to never burn bridges or piss people off. Just be careful what and how you say things and you will always be good.

I just got that!! great attitude! lmao ok, back to subject



Coug, all i have to say is [&:]and maby[>:]and then[&o]

i gotta agree, its hard to resist when your holding a vectrix in your hand, BUT anytime someone helps you out this much, you stay loyal to them. if i was in your situation i would use ross bows exclusively for a LONG TIME.

I think what is trying to be communicated here is that you can't walk both sides of the fence at the same time. I'm not sure this is your INTENT, but your APPEARANCE is thatyou are trying to take food from who ever will feed you.....

I'm also going to make an assumption that your shop owner is pressuring you a little because he doesn't, and can't, sell the Ross line up, would I be correct in that?

You need to speak up son! Come back to your thread!

Me thinks this is where he was fed the "That's all the technology that Ross has to offer at the moment." statement from as well.

Sounds very much like what someone would say to a prospective (Ross in this case) "single cam" bowbuyer to try and persuadethem into buying a hybrid cam bow.......lets say......Hoyt for instance.

GMMAT: The reason you don't see people wearing/drinking things other than their sponsors is because that is where their paychck comes from. I don't recall ever seeing where the Ross's were putting Coug on the payroll or sponsoring him. If I did, my mistake. That is kinda what I was getting at here: If status is not what it is about then it must be technology or everyone would still be hanging on to their old bows. This is exactly the point I was trying to drive home here. Cougs has a chance to shoot a Ross. Good. If he has the means to afford the Hoyt and "if" it is a better bow, so be it. Is anyone here trying to tell him what to shoot. Yes. Why? Because a good person did a good deed and gave him a bow. If someone gives me a 2007 Chevy truck and I have the means to buy a Corvette, am I gonna buy it? Probably not, because I am perfectly satisfied with the truck and I can find multiple other "useful" places for my money to go. That's just me though. Everyone is not like that. In fact, I would venture to say that most would buy the Vette and drive it more than the truck. (Unless it was hunting season of course.) And why would they drive the Vette more? Status. Who would not rather be seen in a Vette than a Chevy truck? Get my point?
Then why on earth does it concern anyone here if the young Cougs wants to buy a new/different bow?

And again, sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. Why is everyone so concerned what he buys or does not buy. I willtell you why,it's because everyone thinks he should be loyal to the Ross's because they are giving him a gift. Like I said before, sponsorship is one thing.A gift is another.So what is the bow going to be Coug? A sponsorship or a gift? I wish Andy himself would chime in here to letus know how he feels about it. I would just about bet he would say it was all good with him as long as Coug didn't bash Ross. (End of technology)

My point Mobow is this is what is wrong with the world today. People can not just give a gift. They have to have something in return.Unconditionally givingloyalty is one thing. But asking for it by giving gifts is, well, what law enforcement calls Bribery. That is why sponsorships/employers have people by the nads today. Because when they give you something they "expect" something in return. The days of working "for" loyalty is almost gone. That is the way it should be. You work for me, I give you loyalty. I pay you at weeks end, you give me loyalty. That has nothing to do with giving gifts and expecting nothing in return.

LT

LT,

While I see your point and agree with it to some extent, I'd like to turn the table and say "What's wrong with the world today" Everybody has their hand out and nobody want's to do the right thing.

To me THIS is what this thread is all about.....doing what's right. Talking about buying another brand bow and making statements about a companies technology limits, and I'm sure that statement is totally unfounded as I can't see how cougs or anybody other than the Ross familyand their R&D department know what the future holds for the Ross single cam bow line up, is NOT doing the right thing.

No LT, the problem is we live in an ever increasing "Immediate gratification society" and people take for granted the good deeds of others.

It's not like he's shot this bow for a year and is ready to see what else is out there, he hasn't even received it yet!!! Where's the gratitude???

It's just plain wrong.......someone needs to stand up and say it and (thankfully) there are many here who still see it that way.

I agree completely BigJ12. That is why I inserted this statement into my post above.


I still believe the bow is/was a gift to Coug. If that is/was the case then no handouts were "asked" for. To ask for a gift and to be given one is two totally different things. If I asked for a new truck and you gave me one, that, to me is a handout. If you showed up out of the blue on Christmas morning with a new truck because I hinted I could not afford one or you just knew I needed one, that is a gift. You would not expect me to give anything in return. If you did, you probably would eventually get your feelings hurt because I might win the Lotto and buy the Vette and drive it more. (But being who you are, I would buy you one too. LOL)

So, what is the "right" thing for Coug to do?

LT