Roskoe - I'll be hunting whitetail buck. Now, before you go off acting like I'm just some dumb schmuck with a need for speed, please know that I've done all the requisite research, and I've even tested penetration in my brand new block target (400 grain arrow vs. 250) - with no discernible difference in penetration depth(78# KE vs. 75#). Even though I'll be hunting whitetails, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to use it on bigger game. IMO, the gains in accuracy will easily offset the 3 lost pounds of KE.

I know I wouldn't wanna be standing in front of the thing when it goes off. That's for sure.

It really doesn't matter. You're pushing the envelope to begin with. I suspect your equipment will blow up before hunting season anyway.[8D] The need for speed has got you way out of whack. Have fun and keep the children back when you shoot. [&:][8D]

Quick buddy, I am very intriqued by your bow and setup. As you know I have been considering the IM for my next hunting bow. And I appreciate all the info you have provided me with. That being said I must comment on the "oldtimers" that have gotten their feathers ruffled over shooting such light arrow. Folks lets keep in mind that even shooting a 250 grain arrow, Quicks bow is still under warranty. HCA warrants their bows down to 3 gpp. To me that sounds like a company that has alot of faith and confidence in the product they produce. I don't want to sound like a HCA fanboy because I'm not.Hell, I've never even shot a High Country bow much less owned one. Guys, speed is the future in archery. Wait and see. For all of you guys that think its nuts to shoot a light arrow, I will bet you anything, that they are the thing of the future in archery, as well as speeds up into the 380's-390's. Guys get out of the stone age.5 gpp will soon be a thing of the past. Besides when was the 5 gpp standard set? 20 years ago? I believe archery equipment has come a long way in the past 20 years. So go ahead Quick and put a big PA bruiser on the ground this year. And when you do hold your IM up high so all the naysayers can see that your limbs are still in one piece. [8D] Quick, I applaude you for posting your setup and specs on these forums knowing what kind of grief you would recieve from some of the members here.

You'd have to really put an aweful lot of confidence in your equipment if you only plan on shooting them once. I'm assuming the once would be at an animal.

Personally, I have to practice with my actual equipmentin order to have confidence in it.

Just hearing the waysome of youguys get all bent out of shape over those arrows really entertains me. Honestly, that'sone of the factors considered whenIpicked this bow in the first place - just to show the world that the old 5 gpi threshold is basically just an imaginary line, arbitrarily established to ensure that people didn't hurt themselves with gear that wasn't meant to be abused like that. I figured if I was buying a new bow, I wanted to get something that nobody else had, and made people say "W.T.F. is THAT guy doing?" LOL

Chris - You definitely "get it" when you're talking about arrows/weights and what the future holds.

Good point about the Fanboy thing too. I'm definitely not married to HCA, but they just happen to be the only company out there giving me what I want for what I wanted to pay. You obviously see the same thing I did - just the fact that they were offering a setup that can do something that no other setup can do - and do it with a warranty to back it. I was skeptical at first, but figured it would be my own little "experiment." But the more I shoot this setup, the more I realize how well everything here is put together, and how that translates to optimizing my bow's performance for field use.

It's coming. I know it. I don't know who will make the plunge first - Hoyt, BT, Martin (I think Elite will)... But somebody is gonna dip down to 4 gpp on their warranty soon, then 3. Knowing them, they'll have to upgrade to top-end limbs and strings, which will drive the bow prices over the $1000 mark. But when it happens, arrow manufacturers will follow, and you'll see a lot of 6-7 gpi arrows flood the market. People will then start badgering the IBO to change their weight requirements, and they will. They've lowered it in the past - and they'll do it again.

I know they've been developing them. Gold Tip already has a light arrow out (5.7 gpi?), but it's spined pretty soft.

Shooting these light arrows gives you so many options. You can keep the same overall weight, and really load up a heavy tip - putting your FOC totally off the charts - or you canstay light and get a bullet trajectory. It's not like we're hunting Bull Elephants or Rhinoceros here. I'm still retaining 74# KE into a whitetail.

We heard all the same arguments when Beman took the first big bite out of Aluminum arrow sales. The sky was falling, bows would explode, animals would die horrific deaths, arrows would detonate on impact, hide the kids inside while dad shoots hiscarbon arrowsso they don't get wounded by flying shrapnel. We see how that story ended.

I think I've settled on either the 57 grain Rocket, or the 75 grain Wasp. Probably gonna go with whichever head I can get cheaper.

If anyone thinks that a 250gr arrow going 350+fps put in the right spot won't go through a deer, then they are just naive. Think back here old timers, to the days of recurves. Think about your wives and kids, shooting 45# compounds with 300 gr arrows, and getting pass throughs at 180 fps.

There aren't many bow set ups anywhere than can make it through the shoulder of a deer if you catch the main part of the bone just right. Doesn't matter how fast, how sharp or how heavy.... it takes a bullet to do it.



Cougars 09: Your numbers weren't that terribly far off. My Iron Mace, at 64#s mind you, is throwing my 454gr hunting arrows at 282, which if I remember right is right at 80 ft.lbs of KE, or just a few tenths less. Still pretty flat shooting anyway. One pin to 25 yards, another at 35 and then again at 45. My 3D arrows are 330gr, and go out at 317fps. One pin out to 35, and the next is at 50, which makes the 45 yard shots hard.

Quick: My main concern with your set up (if I were you), would be how your broadheads will fly. I would stick with something short. Take a look at the Wac'Em 85s, or perhaps any of the Sonics. Don't be overly concerned with getting more than one use out of broadhead. If you can, thats great, but keep in mind that its job is to destroy, and sometimes, it gets tore up in the process. Just part of the game. Don't overlook the HCA heads either, as they are infact designed to be shot on those arrows and off HCA bows. Makes enough sense to me to at least give them a try.

No, they did NOT. You need a little history lesson.

IBO never had an arrow weight minimum in the beginning. No maximum draw weight limit either. And yes, bows DID explode, even before Beman came along. It just got worse after Beman. 90 pound draw bows with steel cables and teardrop string connectors, hard cams, overdraw to shoot a short 200 grain arrow... Those rigs sounded like 20 gage shotguns when they went off. They'd hold together for a while then KABLAM! I knew one guy who went through 15 bows in one season. He kept blowing them up.

Pete Shepley of PSE was one of the hot dogs pushing speed and light arrows back then That's when folks started saying PSE stood for Parts Scattered Everywhere. Pull Shoot Explode. Pretty Shoddy Equipment... Actually, they used a different word than 'shoddy' but I'll leave it to your imagination to figure out the real word.

It was right at the height of the lunacy that IBO came up with the 5 grains per pound rule. It's sole purpose was to hogtie the speedfreek idiots and stop so many people from having to leave their tournaments to go to the emergency room.

It would've been 6 grains - SHOULD have been 6 grains - but were afraid they'd have lost too many shooters. Actually meaning they were afraid they'd lose too much income. A whole lot of those numbskulls felt speed and money were more important than safety. At least it helped and I didn't have to perform first aid on bleeding people nearly as much afterward.

Take a Google on the internet and you can find all kinds of pics of guys with pieces of carbon arrows stuck in their hands, wrists and forearms. Arrows DO explode. It's usually their fault for not checking for cracks before they shoot, but not always.

The story isn't ended. Not even close. IMO, what High Country is doing is a sorry chapter in the storybook. That's why I wished you good luck earlier. You're very likely gonna need it. I just hope you don't get hurt.

You did know High Country had one of those fancy bows blow up with their 3.5 gpp arrows at the ATA show a couple years back, didn't ya? Just to give you something else to think about. At least wear high impact shooting glasses when you're playing with that thing, would ya?

Sorry if I'm wrong there, Arthur, but I'm sure I read that the old threshold was 6 gpp, now lowered to 5.

And I only remember seeing one set ofpictures of an arrow in a guy's hand - and it was a Carbon Express Lincoln Log.

You make it sound like the old IBO shoots were bloodyWWII battlefields - which was absolutely not the case. Most of the guys who got hurt were actually using underspined ALUMINUM arrows, or were shooting such long overdraws that their strings were slapping the overdraw and cutting in half (resulting in bow explosion - string slashes). Guys were acting like fools - pushing 1916's at 80# on3" overdraws(like shooting a wet noodle out of a rocket launcher).

Umm... No. It was because nobody could complete in 3d with the hot rodders, so the IBO either had to act, or would risk losing mega-bucks when all the average joes with their slower setupsthrew in the towel and quit. Everyone complained b/c those guys had an unfair advantage, asthey didn't have to judge the yardages with the same margin for error. Safety may have played a small part, but it was largely an attempt to level the playing field, IMO. You would obviously disagree.

You are wrong about a great many things having to do with that rule. It was, and is, a safety rule. Not at all to 'level the playing field'. NOT AT ALL. It's because they were so dangerous that sensible people didn't want to be on the same range with them. That's not my opinion. It's plain fact.

I was an officer and often served as tournament director for our club in those days. I don't know where you get YOUR information but I have first hand knowledge of the time.

Well, Art, it's a whole lot easier to say "we're acting in the name of safety" than it is to say "we're buckling to appease the masses and level the playing field." But then again, as a field officer, I'm sure you've seen hundreds, even thousands wounded or killedby exploding bowsat the local bow derby.

Rrrright. I'm sure everybody was ramping up their life insurance policy before every backyard 3d shoot.

Now, before you totally blow a gasket, let me assure you that I flex check my arrows before every shot. I also do not subject these arrows to un-necessary abuse (only shoot them at separate spots, and use my heavy GT 5575arrows for thelion's shareof practice shots). I've made my sight marks - I know they're accurate. I check them all with a few shots at every range, and I put the pixy sticks away. I have some old telephone poles that I use to play in the yard. It's not like I'm standing there saying "Hmmm... Let's see if I can blow up this arrow.."

It's like this - unless you've seen this setup in action, I really don't think you can accurately comment on its quality or safety. Put it this way, people aren't running for cover when I draw it back, and I shoot with some pretty sensible guys.