PA and P&Y whitetails.....
07-08-2007 | 08:19 PM
#31
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr
WHAT THE????? You leavin me already??? Shoot man, season hasn't even opened yet......
Hey, I was just checking out pope and young website.......Did I miss it, or do they not break each state down on the site? Guess I'm gonna have to buy the book for that?
ORIGINAL: Germ
It's your year, mine was last year. So I get to passed it to the next guy. I am passing it to you
Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C....
I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year!
We're coming on strong, I saw several last season that would have made the book, one in particular might have made B&C....
I'm looking to tag one and show him to you'all this year!
Mobow no worries, you need a differnet power
Hey, I was just checking out pope and young website.......Did I miss it, or do they not break each state down on the site? Guess I'm gonna have to buy the book for that?
Have you been reading the book. There is going to be a test, by the author himself[8D]
07-08-2007 | 08:55 PM
#32
Nontypical Buck
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From: West Chester, Pa.
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
I couldn't have said it better myself, it really does seem like a crap shoot with hunters everywhere. The odds are so small you will be the only one hunting in a specific area. It reall is rediculous around here.
Shane
Shane
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
IMO it's not just the attitudes of the guys hunting here that hold things back.......its the sheer NUMBER of guys as well. It creates an undeniable feeling of pressure for a lot of guys who don't have exclusive hunting rights that there is another guy behind every tree and if they don't shoot that 2.5yr old 8pt now he isn't making it out of the woodlot that night let alone the rifle season to come.
PA will never be the state most of us want simply because of the numbers involved and land breakdown. I hunt private land myself here in York Co. and I can't tell you the last bowhunt I had where I didn't encounter another bowhunter , pheasant hunter, dirt bike rider, dog walker, screaming kid, or any number of distractions. For many of us it's too many people trying to have their own slice of the pie and it happens very seldom.
I can tell you on one small sensitive property I hunt, I watched 3 bucks last season that would EASILY, and I mean EASILY make book about every other night working a bean field. Watching the wind, glassing from a distance etc etc.
and then one day they all just vanished, even the small bucks that I could count on night after night...........surprise surprise, 2 other hunters that I ran into a couple days before the season told me they walked the entire property a couple times the week before the opener, and hung stands all over (in all the wrong spots) and changed the patterns of those deer completely before I even got a single crack at them.
Thats the other issue you run into here......if a landowner is kind enough to allow you to hunt chances are they are the "hate deer" type and they allow ANYONE who asks permission on to help take the deer and it becomes counterproductive. Unless it's a family farm or you are paying for an exclusive lease 9 times out of 10 there are multiple guys who consider that private farm "Their spot".
It's hard to get your hopes up around here.........sure it happens now and then but man do the moon and stars and planets need to line up big time where I live.
Look up how many resident bowhunters IL, KS, IA, and PA have........
The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman.
PA will never be the state most of us want simply because of the numbers involved and land breakdown. I hunt private land myself here in York Co. and I can't tell you the last bowhunt I had where I didn't encounter another bowhunter , pheasant hunter, dirt bike rider, dog walker, screaming kid, or any number of distractions. For many of us it's too many people trying to have their own slice of the pie and it happens very seldom.
I can tell you on one small sensitive property I hunt, I watched 3 bucks last season that would EASILY, and I mean EASILY make book about every other night working a bean field. Watching the wind, glassing from a distance etc etc.
and then one day they all just vanished, even the small bucks that I could count on night after night...........surprise surprise, 2 other hunters that I ran into a couple days before the season told me they walked the entire property a couple times the week before the opener, and hung stands all over (in all the wrong spots) and changed the patterns of those deer completely before I even got a single crack at them.
Thats the other issue you run into here......if a landowner is kind enough to allow you to hunt chances are they are the "hate deer" type and they allow ANYONE who asks permission on to help take the deer and it becomes counterproductive. Unless it's a family farm or you are paying for an exclusive lease 9 times out of 10 there are multiple guys who consider that private farm "Their spot".
It's hard to get your hopes up around here.........sure it happens now and then but man do the moon and stars and planets need to line up big time where I live.
Look up how many resident bowhunters IL, KS, IA, and PA have........
07-08-2007 | 09:33 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
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From: Central Pennsylvania
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
ORIGINAL: IL-Cornfed
I love to see PA continuing to improve the quality of their hunting. The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. There can be no denying that it is one of the most beautiful states when it comes to exceptional habitat and awesome looking whitetail ground! I hope the state continues on course with it's production of trophy class bucks. I'm also excited by the number of folks on numerous forums who seemed so against any sort of antler restrictions and now to see many proudly endorsing QDM and showing restraint on ALL immature bucks. Best of luck to all the PA guys out there and kudos for your sacrifice and dedication.
Maybe someday all the IL bowhunters will be wanting to book hunts in YOUR state ?!?
I love to see PA continuing to improve the quality of their hunting. The potential there is so tremendous that the ONLY thing holding the state back is it's sportsman. There can be no denying that it is one of the most beautiful states when it comes to exceptional habitat and awesome looking whitetail ground! I hope the state continues on course with it's production of trophy class bucks. I'm also excited by the number of folks on numerous forums who seemed so against any sort of antler restrictions and now to see many proudly endorsing QDM and showing restraint on ALL immature bucks. Best of luck to all the PA guys out there and kudos for your sacrifice and dedication.
Maybe someday all the IL bowhunters will be wanting to book hunts in YOUR state ?!?
Alright im sorry brother, but it dont work like that, I live and breath PA everyday, there is no deer in the central part, the Bonus tags, Extended seasons, Early archery late archery early muzzle loader, Rifle season flintlock season THERE IS NO DEER IN MY AREA if i see one do every 3 week, i cream my pants, i cant even tell you the last time ive seen any sort of wall hanger, you see A deer you loose your cookies, its not a good situation here. Im sorry there just is no deer in here.
Ryan
07-09-2007 | 07:51 AM
#35
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
Matt great post. Pretty much the same in MI also.
Great quotes from hunter in MS forum.
"It's a shame but some people just can't see past Nov. 15th(gun opener)each year."- Big T
"Unfortunately, older bucks really are harder to kill than young bucks. A lot harder. It can take several years for hunters that are used to harvesting the first buck they see to "learn" how to successfully hunt older bucks. I honestly spend more time trying to teach clients how to hunt the older bucks they are producing than I did teaching them how to produce older bucks." - Bryan Kinkel
Great quotes from hunter in MS forum.
"It's a shame but some people just can't see past Nov. 15th(gun opener)each year."- Big T
"Unfortunately, older bucks really are harder to kill than young bucks. A lot harder. It can take several years for hunters that are used to harvesting the first buck they see to "learn" how to successfully hunt older bucks. I honestly spend more time trying to teach clients how to hunt the older bucks they are producing than I did teaching them how to produce older bucks." - Bryan Kinkel
07-09-2007 | 08:11 AM
#36
Giant Nontypical
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From: Phoenixville, PA USA
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
Matt, said it right. There are some other nasty little truths that he didn't mention, such as the guys that will sneak onto property where you have exclusive right, or just go onto Posted property in general regardless of signs or repercussions. Heck, I was talking to a couple this weekend that told me they saw a guy in a treestand in Valley Forge National Park while mountain biking. Not all, but too many have a complete disregard for the laws.
07-09-2007 | 11:54 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Lancaster pa
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
Matt, you can copy that entire post over for Lancaster County as well. I too have permission to hunt some private land that holds quality deer and we can pattern them each year. Problem is that theowners also give permission to 3 other hunters who just randomly hang stands around the property (one of which just happens to be 20 yards from my stand). One of the hunters also hunts MD and tags over 10 deer a year but still manages to squeeze into this 30 acres and try to shoot a few more. It really starts getting frustrating. A few years ago we had a 150 class buck running the property. Of course he was poached the last night of rifle season. We saw him in a field feeding right at dark on the last day. Ironically someone showed up with him the following day bragging about how he got him in the final hour of daylight. I know I posted this pick awhile back a day or two after this deer was shot but I just wanted to show what deer in Pa are capable of. This particular one was taken in Lancaster county near where I work.
). One of the hunters also hunts MD and tags over 10 deer a year but still manages to squeeze into this 30 acres and try to shoot a few more. It really starts getting frustrating. A few years ago we had a 150 class buck running the property. Of course he was poached the last night of rifle season. We saw him in a field feeding right at dark on the last day. Ironically someone showed up with him the following day bragging about how he got him in the final hour of daylight. I know I posted this pick awhile back a day or two after this deer was shot but I just wanted to show what deer in Pa are capable of. This particular one was taken in Lancaster county near where I work.
07-09-2007 | 05:19 PM
#38
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Giant Nontypical
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From: The OH-IO
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
Matt and my other PA neighbors.
We don't have it any easier here in Ohio for bowhunting pressure, according to numbers we have it much worse.
This is from Deer & Deer Huntings Hunters Alamanac.
Pennsylvania has 267,600 bowhunters with 17 million wooded acres with 1.6 million deer.
Ohio has 250,000 bowhunters with 7.5 million wooded acres with 650,000 deer.
Just throwing the numbers out there.....
Thanks go to Mobowhntr for providing me with these figures as I no longer have my almanac.
We don't have it any easier here in Ohio for bowhunting pressure, according to numbers we have it much worse.
This is from Deer & Deer Huntings Hunters Alamanac.
Pennsylvania has 267,600 bowhunters with 17 million wooded acres with 1.6 million deer.
Ohio has 250,000 bowhunters with 7.5 million wooded acres with 650,000 deer.
Just throwing the numbers out there.....
Thanks go to Mobowhntr for providing me with these figures as I no longer have my almanac.
07-09-2007 | 05:34 PM
#39
Giant Nontypical
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From: Dover, PA USA
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
Pennsylvania has 267,600 bowhunters with 17 million wooded acres with 1.6 million deer.
PA has a lot of feast or famine.........many of those "wooded acres" have the lowest deer densities you could ever imagine. Where our hunting camp is located in western Clinton Co. It is claimed via thermal image fly overs that we have something like 7 deer per square mile. Thats what?, 660 some odd WOODED acres...........with 7 deer on them. We don't even use the cabin much anymore.
Then you have the feast areas in the Western and SE counties where there are places where you can find 30 or more deer per square mile and you literally have trophy bucks eating from flower beds but you have to give your left kidney to hunt them in the suburban neighborhoods (if you're lucky.)
Sure there are some good hunts to be had here, and I've had my share but TRUST ME this is one screwed up state when it comes to its deer and deer hunters.
07-09-2007 | 05:39 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: The OH-IO
RE: PA and P&Y whitetails.....
TRUST ME this is one screwed up state when it comes to its deer and deer hunters.
I never speak of deer hunting with any of them.... Their preception of deer and deer hunting doesn't mesh with mine.