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RE: 55# Takes Yukon Moose!!!
ORIGINAL: quiksilver ...and anybody who would ever let a child hunt deer with a 29# bow should permanently be stripped of his license. He'd never hunt with me, that's fo' shizzle. Matter of fact, if anybody ever thought they were hunting with me with a 45-pound peashooter, they'd have another thing coming. Stay home and play with your Cabbage Patch Kids. I'm not saying i agree with hunting deer with a 29# bow, but apparently it is possible to kill a deer with it. I do know if my kid could only pull 29# he wouldnt be hunting. Unless that 29# bow could shoot five arrows at once, most of the time 29# wont do too much. I think the girl that shot that deer got lucky..no offense to her. |
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ORIGINAL: huntingson First question is why are you so disrespectful? Yes, 55ft-lbsis plenty of KE. Thank you for helping my argument.My wife's bow at 41# (and it will be at 50# by the time season rolls around) is shooting 48 ftlbs of KE. That is plenty, especially with fixed blade broadheads. She also will only be shooting 20 yards and less. That bow at 50# will havealmost the sameKEas the 60# recurve, and that is with a 24" draw length! My bottom line is that the draw weight does not have to be what it used to be for most big game species. Restrictions on KE make a lot more sense. If your argument were that no one should hunt with less than 50ft-lbs of KE, then at least I could see where you were coming from.Your current argument is like saying "If your biceps aren't X" in circumference you shouldn't be able to hunt." A rather weak argument indeed.  |
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ORIGINAL: Germ You sure know how to go over board[8D] You are going to make a great lawyer someday;) haha ya |
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ORIGINAL: davepjr71 huntignson, I commend the way you are going about archery hunting with your wife. If you limit the range the lower draw weight bows are acceptable. And you are having her shoot the highest weight she can comfortably shoot.If more people would do that we wouldn't need this argument. The problem comes in when people start flinging arrows at animals at distances their skills do not allow. I'm not going to recommend any minimum weight. Our ancestors were killing animals with weapons that were nowhere as lethal as what we have today. In the same token I believe that you should use the highest weight you can in case of a mishap. Today's 45# definitely are more lethal than the 55# bowI started off with andI think if a person is using new technology that's just fine. I just hate the idea of an arrow sticking out of an animal due to insufficient energy. That's why I go as high asI can comfortably shoot. |
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 Quicksilver , is that a 08 bowtech ? |
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It looks more like the patent pictures that were on here for the Simm Limbsaver bow. The cams aren't even strung the same way on top and bottom. It must be a Matthews prototype.
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I shoot at 70 lbs, I do it comfortably and thats why I stay at 70. That being said, I cant stand to see someone at my club shooting at 70 lbs and strugling everytime they draw their bow. They shoot 15 arrows and they need to take a half hour break. I would much rather see them shooting 55 lbs accurately than sitting in their treestand in the cold for 4 hours and not being able to draw their bow. But they are 20 years old and I have only been bow hunting longer than they have been alive but I dont know what i am talking about.
The other thing I hate is people who dont ever pull out their bow until 2 weeks before the season. I am not saying you need to shoot year round, but 2 weeks out of the year doesnt work for me. If you cant find the time to practice with you bow then you need to switch to a rifle. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Just my humble opinion here, but if you're not drawing at least 55#, you have no business bowhunting any kind of big game. Sure, a 50# bow can deliver a lethal blow to a whitetail. So can a .22 Hornet, but you don't see many guys out there toting .22's on opening day. Why? Because it's ridiculous. I just get so sick of hearing guys talk about taking their 11 year oldkids/wives out bowhunting with 40 pound bows, then talking to them 4 months later and getting the sob story about how Billy Bob Junior plugged an arrow in a doe's shoulder, or how Misses Billy Bob bounced an arrow off a scrub buck and couldn't recover it. Bowhunting isn't a sissy sport. Sorry. IMO, if you can't man-up and draw enough bow to cut through some bone or generate significant penetration, you should stick to lead projectiles or playing with Barbies. Face it, people get old, bones get brittle, joints go bad, most women aren't She-ra, and your kid isn't Little Hercules. There's a time to hunt and a time to hang it up. When you feel like you're having to bend the rules or cut corners just to meet the threshold physical requirements, then it's probably time to admit defeat and focus on rifle season. Just my .02. You have just completely discredited yourself about efficiency of bows and their capabilities to the point of being laughable. Why don't you go ahead and put a 30" draw length minimum in their too.That would would do more for energy than a few pounds. Accuracy is first and foremost,then followed CLOSELY bytune.Poundage and draw length come way down the list. I agree with germ,your 2 cents isn't worth that.;) |
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TFox - I got you a barbie doll to play with too.
Call Germ and maybe he'll let you borrow his Ken doll.  You guys can let us know when you're ready to man-up and shoot bow with the big kids. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Call Germ and maybe he'll let you borrow his Ken doll. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ You sure know how to go over board[8D] You are going to make a great lawyer someday;) |
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ouch. true though
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Well, since speed will vary with draw length, brace height, arrow weight, how much junk is on the bow, how the strings are rigged - and pair that with the fact that most people have no idea what their draw length is (they confuse it with arrow length), have no idea how heavy their arrow is (can't weigh it on a bathroom scale), and probably have no idea what their speed is(they all think it's 300)- Kinetic Energy is Spanish to a layperson. We might as well be talking about the Tooth Fairyor Leprechauns.
Most people, however, are smart enough to know what their draw weight is. On average, a 55# bow will push out 55# of KE - ballpark. On average, a 40# bow will push 40# of KE. Since you guys know so much, I'm sure you figured that out by now. If you're equally perceptive, you might have noticed that you don't see many deer checked in for the annual HNI buck contest that were killed with 40# pea shooters. Same reason you don't see so many deer shot with .22 Hornets or Slingshots. I'd really like to see y'all put your money where your mouths are, and order a 40 pounder for this fall. Maybe you could do a little "Get in Shape Girl" warm-up, drive to your hunting spot in your Barbie Jeep, hop out with your 35# deer slayer, and go at it. I figure if you get one early, maybe in September - before it gets its winter coat or grows to full size, you might be able to shoot a fawn right off the tit, and the heavy winter furwon't cause your arrow to bounce off.   |
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quik do much surfing in pittsburgh
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Actually, I thinkthe native americans would have been just fine. We wouldn't even have the bow at all if they stuck to staying with what worked. They developed better weapons as they learned.
The american indian developed better bows and when the whiteman came along and started shooting them with guns they soon realized that the gun was a better weapon. So, they started using guns when they had access. I'm pretty sure theymade the highest draw weight bows they could make in order to bring the game down as quick as possible and would wounder why you would use somethinh lighter. If they had 70#+ compounds they would have been ecstatic. |
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Quiksilver
I hunt with a 58# bow and would not be afraid to enter the woods with a 40# or 50# bow.I can comfortably pull 65# and be very accurate with it.If that is what I had to do,I would. My bow is set at 28 1/4" draw at the moment and my actuall draw on most bows is 28 1/2" so I use a longer loop to make up the difference.My ke is only 51 1/2 ft lb's. My arrow weighs a whopping 360 grains AND I use a mechanical head and I will bet you I get as many passthroughs as you do with your "man" bow.;) I was using a 28 3/4" draw with a short loopand my arrow weighed in at 380 grains and had no problems penetrating the ground after complete passthroughs.[:o]Even on extreme angles. But hey,I am not smart enough to know what is needed to take game effectively.:eek: |
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Hey Germ,make sure you bring your Ken doll when you come down in September to hunt H&H. I'll make sure I bring Barbie along.:D
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ORIGINAL: TFOX Quiksilver I hunt with a 58# bow and would not be afraid to enter the woods with a 40# or 50# bow.I can comfortably pull 65# and be very accurate with it.If that is what I had to do,I would. My bow is set at 28 1/4" draw at the moment and my actuall draw on most bows is 28 1/2" so I use a longer loop to make up the difference.My ke is only 51 1/2 ft lb's. My arrow weighs a whopping 360 grains AND I use a mechanical head and I will bet you I get as many passthroughs as you do with your "man" bow.;) I was using a 28 3/4" draw with a short loopand my arrow weighed in at 380 grains and had no problems penetrating the ground after complete passthroughs.[:o]Even on extreme angles. But hey,I am not smart enough to know what is needed to take game effectively.:eek: I am 1000% with you. I also shoot 58# but have a slightly shorter draw length and would NOT be afraid to enter the woods with a smaller bow. My first deer was shot with 42# and round wheels...no fancy cams on it. That arrow went straight through 2 ribs and a lung and right out the other side. That deer ran 35 yards and died. 42#. Quiksilver...if you are willing to give me the money to buy a smaller weight bow and hunt with it, i will definetly do it. Then ill learn how to post pics on here because ill have them come fall...the same deer i would shoot with my current bow i would get with that small bow. By the way...Ted Nugent hunts with 53#. Look at all the animals he shoots. Are you gonna tell Ted Nugent he should play with barbies and learn to be a man and hunt with heavy weight bows?? |
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Barbie[:'(]
I like "My little pony's" Tell you what TFOX I will bring my biggest deer and you bring yours. Quick lets see the biggest deer you have shot with your "man bow" Here are a few my girly bow has shot    look HCH Blood:D  Ok TFOX your turn;) Quick lets see those manly deer you have shot. If you want to try and keep up with this old wimpy guy in the Gym name the day little man:D |
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  There are more that I don't have pictures of, but they're not much to look at anyway. The spike above was my first buck. All deer above were killed with 60# or more. |
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Nice guns, Hunsucker would be jealous;)
Nice deer quick;) Now me saying those are little and not manly is about as stupid as your agrument is about poudage;) I may have shot a few bigger deer than you, but thatdoes not make me a better hunter or more manly.It means are situations are differnet;) Some guys can pull a pile of weight, some guys can not.It really should not matter aslong as theyhave enough KE. I can tell you and youknow their are many more things that contribute to lost game. Bad shot Not enough Practice Dull Broadheads I would rather hammer the guys above than a guy who sets his bow up, and practice and knows exactly what he is shooting and his or hers limitaions. PS I can give you some tips on how to get some real guns:D |
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Dang:
Ask, and ye shall receive! |
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Fran, nice collection ya got there .....
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I just can't understand why we have guys pulling such low weight. My goodness, I'm a string bean and about as tough as a Kleenex, but I still manage to draw over 75# with relative ease. The guys I hunt with are drawing 80#+, one of them was an NCAA linebacker, but the other guy is just a skinny twerp like me.
I just don't understand how there are so many people out there who refuse to take advantage of the added benefits of stacking up some extra KE and letting your bow do what it's capable of. Seriously, you can practice until you're blue in the face, but everything changes when it's 25 degrees, you're ice cold, frozen solid in a creaky aluminum stand, and all of a sudden, a buck comes racing around the ridge on a doe's tail. You stand, draw, shoot - then wonder how it all happened so fast. A full summer's worth of practice, straight out the window. You didn't use your open grip, your back wasn't straight, your feet weren't planted right, your string hit your coat, you don't even remember drawing the bow, and you're still wondering what yardage you used. You can shoot plastic deer all year. You can play at the bow shop tuning for perfect flight. You can lob arrows and pinwheel x's all year during indoor spotleague at 212 fps. It all changes in the treestand. That's where the rubber meets the road. That's where the air-conditioned indoor range ends, and the real blood and guts begins. I want all the oomph I can get, at that point. |
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haha i guess you do recieve. maybe i should post all of Ted Nugents pics with deer shot with a bow since he shoots 53#, would that maybe convince you that IT DOESNT MATTER?!?!
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Ted's a total pansy. If he wasn't a multi-millionaire, he'd never kill a blessed thing. I personally know a guy who guided him on a whitetail hunt, and let's just say if the playing field was leveled, Ted would be eating a lot of tags.
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This thread is about as ridiculious as the mine is bigger than yours argument. Big deer have nothing to do with strength as can be seen by Quick's man cannons, and has more to do with skill and patience. We all know lower poundage bows kill deer.
If you shoot a heavy bow take heed of the warnings of the older folks on the board who are complaining about injuries. I hear the argument about working out and what not but most people don't. Life is stessful and time consuming. What aggrevates me about the man bow concept is, I've got a buddy that is about 5'4" mayb 140lb wet and all he wants is a 70lb bow. Why? Because he wants a man bow. Just plain dumb. Tom |
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I want all the oomph I can get, at that point. My ROSS is set at 75lbs;) My arrow weight was close to 500 grains. I was shooting 72 ft lb. My next bow will max out at 60 pounds. With how sharp broadheads are it really has changed Quick. I use Montecs and they were not as sharp as other brands. Why I shot what I did. I have switch to strikers and they are scary sharp. I would have no issues shooting a deer with a 50# recurve with a 600 grain arrow and a striker on it. Ted Nugent is right on when he says shoot the weight you can and get a sharp broadhead;) |
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ORIGINAL: kdsberman haha i guess you do recieve. maybe i should post all of Ted Nugents pics with deer shot with a bow since he shoots 53#, would that maybe convince you that IT DOESNT MATTER?!?! Some of the posts on here say I should ..... to each his own .... Oh yeah, will 55# kill a moose ...you bet ... if things go perfect ... will a .22 cal kill a moose ... you bet ... if things go perfect ... |
RE: 55# Takes Yukon Moose!!!
ORIGINAL: statjunk This thread is about as ridiculious as the mine is bigger than yours argument. Big deer have nothing to do with strength as can be seen by Quick's man cannons, and has more to do with skill and patience. We all know lower poundage bows kill deer. If you shoot a heavy bow take heed of the warnings of the older folks on the board who are complaining about injuries. I hear the argument about working out and what not but most people don't. Life is stessful and time consuming. What aggrevates me about the man bow concept is, I've got a buddy that is about 5'4" mayb 140lb wet and all he wants is a 70lb bow. Why? Because he wants a man bow. Just plain dumb. Tom |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: statjunk This thread is about as ridiculious as the mine is bigger than yours argument. Big deer have nothing to do with strength as can be seen by Quick's man cannons, and has more to do with skill and patience. We all know lower poundage bows kill deer. If you shoot a heavy bow take heed of the warnings of the older folks on the board who are complaining about injuries. I hear the argument about working out and what not but most people don't. Life is stessful and time consuming. What aggrevates me about the man bow concept is, I've got a buddy that is about 5'4" mayb 140lb wet and all he wants is a 70lb bow. Why? Because he wants a man bow. Just plain dumb. Tom Well put Tom, point I was trying to make. Guys it is suppose to be fun;) |
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Me and Tony agree on something. Somebody take our picture. Seriously.
Drawing a heavy bow isn't about brute strength, it's about muscle memory/training. I could probably draw a 100# bow if you had one - and I'm a runt. Tony and I....... I was hoping nobody noticed that. My grammar keeps getting worser and worser. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Me and Tony agree on something. Somebody take our picture or something. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Ted's a total pansy. If he wasn't a multi-millionaire, he'd never kill a blessed thing. I personally know a guy who guided him on a whitetail hunt, and let's just say if the playing field was leveled, Ted would be eating a lot of tags. Wow..teds a total pansy huh? You have no idea what your talking about...and dont argue with me when it comes to somethin about Ted Nugent. Trust me. Ted is one of the most knowledgeable and respected hunters in America. By the way, you keep criticizing anyone and everyone who doesnt shoot as much weight as you. Some of our bows including mine will not go to 70#....i cant even get mine to 60# because of my draw length. Should i save my money to buy a bigger bow that way i can become a TRUE hunter like yourself??? The amount of pics you posted means absolutely nothing in this issue. NOTHING. Give it up man. Let us hunt with what we want and how we want. |
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ORIGINAL: quiksilver Me and Tony agree on something. Somebody take our picture. Seriously. Drawing a heavy bow isn't about brute strength, it's about muscle memory/training. I could probably draw a 100# bow if you had one - and I'm a runt. |
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After reading this for a couple of days I do find it comforting to see thatI am not the only onecapable of pissin in Frannie's Corn Flakes.:):):)
But really take Ted out of the pens and see how good he is......... And for a little extra credit try using "Ted" and "fair chase" in the same sentence. As an example you could say, Ted choses to kill animals in a more fair chase setting than Troy Gentry............;)that was fun wasn't it? |
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I think that was the one that I drew before. They used to keep one at the local bow shop just for novelty, and I keep wanting to say that it wasaround 100#. I remember it weighed a ton - giant aluminum riser, heavy limbs, etc.. I think they had 2317 arrows for it. Lincoln Logs.
Most of the guys who shot a lot could get it right back. Funny, b/c there would be smallish guys who could draw it back, and their ginormous buddies would watch and get that "if he can do it, I KNOW I can do it" muchismo thing going. They would be throwing their backs out to draw the blasted thing. LOL I'm sure you've seen the same events unfold. kdsberman - I didn't stutter a bit. I think Ted's a pansy who couldn't hunt his way out of a wet paper bag. If he didn't pay people to put animals in front of him, he'd have given up hunting a long time ago. |
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