QDMA What don't you like
06-12-2007 | 12:48 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Okiaroslinger
Overall I think QDM is a good thing and would like to see more hunters practice it but do not get carried away with it. About 4 years ago I decided to make a commitment to killing bigger bucks and I tried to push my views onto my son. Luckily I finally realized I was taking the fun out of it for him and told him to whack whatever makes him happy.
Overall I think QDM is a good thing and would like to see more hunters practice it but do not get carried away with it. About 4 years ago I decided to make a commitment to killing bigger bucks and I tried to push my views onto my son. Luckily I finally realized I was taking the fun out of it for him and told him to whack whatever makes him happy.
06-12-2007 | 12:52 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
And likewise, bro, you said it yourself, your situation is pretty unique. There's a big world outside your little neck of the woods, and it gets pretty darn mean in places. I'm unfortunate in that I live in one of the mean places. I know dozens of hunters that have lost long term leases and even had close friendships destroyed because they weren't able to come up with as much money as someone else offered.
Underneath the coat of whitewash, QDM has a really ugly underbelly.
Don't pretend to know MY circumstances.
Underneath the coat of whitewash, QDM has a really ugly underbelly.
Human greed plain and simple
Your issue is not QDM princples, but what QDM doesto some hunters attidude? Makes them intogreeding antler pumpers(From Atlas)?If so well than we need a new thread
06-12-2007 | 12:53 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
What I don't like about QDM is, when you scrape away all the flowery prose and catch phrases and get down to the nitty gritty bottom line, it's all about trophy hunting. I think trophy hunting is our Achilles Heel when it comes to fighting off attacks from the anti's. Easiest place to attack us and the hardest thing for us to defend.
What I don't like about QDM is, when you scrape away all the flowery prose and catch phrases and get down to the nitty gritty bottom line, it's all about trophy hunting. I think trophy hunting is our Achilles Heel when it comes to fighting off attacks from the anti's. Easiest place to attack us and the hardest thing for us to defend.
Actually our Achilles Heel is the poor game management practices we have been using for years. The overpopulation of deer could come back to bite us as hunters. Why do you think sharpshooters are being hired in some areas and hunters are upset about it? Maybe because we has hunters (game managers) have failed to keep the population in check. Because of this, practicingQDM will be our saving grace, not our Achilles Heel.
06-12-2007 | 12:56 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
This is an area that has no ag fields for over 100 miles and is completely untouched by man. Heck, most of these deer probably never saw a person until we hunted them.
The buck to doe ratio there is probably 1.5:1. Completely natural,no one has been able to screw it up by years of poor management and shooting only bucks. QDM in its purest form, if you will.
I will admit, I have been very fortunate to see a deer herd like very few have. Completely natural and wild. And I have seen the other side of the coin, a deer herd out of control and out of wack, because of poor management. That's why I have to laugh when people continue to argue with the principals of QDM. They are uninformed and severely misguided from generations of poor game managers.
I forgot to add, its not JUST about the horns.
The buck to doe ratio there is probably 1.5:1. Completely natural,no one has been able to screw it up by years of poor management and shooting only bucks. QDM in its purest form, if you will.
I will admit, I have been very fortunate to see a deer herd like very few have. Completely natural and wild. And I have seen the other side of the coin, a deer herd out of control and out of wack, because of poor management. That's why I have to laugh when people continue to argue with the principals of QDM. They are uninformed and severely misguided from generations of poor game managers.
I forgot to add, its not JUST about the horns.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
06-12-2007 | 12:57 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
Arthur....you're not even tlaking about the practice of QDMA.
You seem bitter about what it does to human nature. it sounds a LOT to me like......"I don't like it....because it makes the deer herd better ...and somebody's gonna steal my spot".
Forgive me if this is oversimplified, but you really aren't even talking about QDMA. you're talking about a nasty by-product.
You seem bitter about what it does to human nature. it sounds a LOT to me like......"I don't like it....because it makes the deer herd better ...and somebody's gonna steal my spot".
Forgive me if this is oversimplified, but you really aren't even talking about QDMA. you're talking about a nasty by-product.
06-12-2007 | 01:01 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Comparing you Canadian area to my area is like being Cubs fan. it makes no sense.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
Comparing you Canadian area to my area is like being Cubs fan. it makes no sense.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
I'm not sure if there isa crayon font on this board or I'd write it out that way for you.
06-12-2007 | 01:07 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
"I don't like it....because it makes the deer herd better ...and somebody's gonna steal my spot".
I agree wholeheartedly with working to correct the imbalances and making for healthy deer herds. But I do NOT agree with taking only mature bucks. Nor do I always agree it's better to take a doe than a small buck. Natural predators don't make silly rules on which deer they are going to take. They take the weak, the youngest and the oldest. They do NOT take only those bucks that are in their prime, like QDM practitioners insist we do.
And I still maintain that QDM is an argument that, for the most part, has nothing to do with bowhunting.
06-12-2007 | 01:07 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Comparing you Canadian area to my area is like being Cubs fan. it makes no sense.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
This is an area that has no ag fields for over 100 miles and is completely untouched by man. Heck, most of these deer probably never saw a person until we hunted them.
The buck to doe ratio there is probably 1.5:1. Completely natural,no one has been able to screw it up by years of poor management and shooting only bucks. QDM in its purest form, if you will.
I will admit, I have been very fortunate to see a deer herd like very few have. Completely natural and wild. And I have seen the other side of the coin, a deer herd out of control and out of wack, because of poor management. That's why I have to laugh when people continue to argue with the principals of QDM. They are uninformed and severely misguided from generations of poor game managers.
I forgot to add, its not JUST about the horns.
The buck to doe ratio there is probably 1.5:1. Completely natural,no one has been able to screw it up by years of poor management and shooting only bucks. QDM in its purest form, if you will.
I will admit, I have been very fortunate to see a deer herd like very few have. Completely natural and wild. And I have seen the other side of the coin, a deer herd out of control and out of wack, because of poor management. That's why I have to laugh when people continue to argue with the principals of QDM. They are uninformed and severely misguided from generations of poor game managers.
I forgot to add, its not JUST about the horns.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
You eithercompletely missed my point, purposely missed my point, or you just like to hear yourself talk. I believe its one of the latter two, or both. Either way, when you have something coherent to say, come back and we can discuss this like humans.
06-12-2007 | 01:08 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
You can't honestly say you don't understand his point?
I'm not sure if there isa crayon font on this board or I'd write it out that way for you.
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Comparing you Canadian area to my area is like being Cubs fan. it makes no sense.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
Comparing you Canadian area to my area is like being Cubs fan. it makes no sense.
I have these strange things calledautos ,they are our deers main predator.Top of the food chain even black bears fall victim to them if they are not careful.
Autos are a big supporter of Q.D.M. also because when ever I hear about a car getting one it a big buck every time.
I'm not sure if there isa crayon font on this board or I'd write it out that way for you.
06-12-2007 | 01:09 PM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
I guess everyone missed what I said before, so I'll say it again.
Hunters don't practice QDM. We are the tools by which biologists practice it.
It is foolish and egomaniacal to think that we as individuals can have a profound effect on deers' populations. That is why state mandated programs are necessar, and groups like QDMA are formed. So that we can pool our resoursce and work together. The antler management is the payoff for the work. Plus hunters are only one tool that is used. There are timber companies, field burnoffs, cooperative farming efforts, browse analysis, soil fertility studies, and on and on. All of these things are part of QDM.
We as hunters only see a very small part of this picture and only look at how it affects us. There is nothing wrong with that, but be aware that while shooting does is doing your part, there is much more to it than that.
Bwanajim, I thought you lived in NC???
Hunters don't practice QDM. We are the tools by which biologists practice it.
It is foolish and egomaniacal to think that we as individuals can have a profound effect on deers' populations. That is why state mandated programs are necessar, and groups like QDMA are formed. So that we can pool our resoursce and work together. The antler management is the payoff for the work. Plus hunters are only one tool that is used. There are timber companies, field burnoffs, cooperative farming efforts, browse analysis, soil fertility studies, and on and on. All of these things are part of QDM.
We as hunters only see a very small part of this picture and only look at how it affects us. There is nothing wrong with that, but be aware that while shooting does is doing your part, there is much more to it than that.
Bwanajim, I thought you lived in NC???