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ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter .........be proud of being a hunter............. |
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Jeff I completely undersatnd why you made the decision that you did to take it out and I think that you made the right one. That being said to me it will always be killing no matter who's listening. I've been through the verbal battles in my life with thePC people at work always asking "Did you harvest anything" or even better "Did you catch anything". I always just answer "No but I did Kill one".:)
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Ok
Does anyone really think when a person says "Harvest" someone thinks well at least they did not kill it[&:] Harvest is just a tone down word for kill, it really is not that big of deal. Hell I just say I got one now;) The way I talk about hunting at work is way different than with you guys or at my club. Does that make me less of a hunter at work? No just means my mom and dad rasied me to be respectiful to others;) There are "other" topics at work folks tone down, I sure in hell do not want to hear them in non-toned down mode:D Respect goes both ways, we will come out farther ahead by respecting non-hunters than the ARA. The big hang up with ARA to most is.... They do not respect anyone views but their own.;) |
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ORIGINAL: Germ Ok Does anyone really think when a person says "Harvest" someone thinks well at least they did not kill it[&:] Harvest is just a tone down word for kill, it really is not that big of deal. Hell I just say I got one now;) The way I talk about hunting at work is way different than with you guys or at my club. Does that make me less of a hunter at work? No just means my mom and dad rasied me to be respectiful to others;) There are "other" topics at work folks tone down, I sure in hell do not want to here them in non-toned down mode:D Respect goes both ways, we will come out farther ahead by respecting non-hunters than the ARA. The big hang up with ARA to most is.... They do not respect anyone views but their own.;) |
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I think the hunting season could'nt get here soon enough.
You guys are all losing your freakin marbles!! [&:] |
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What Germ has stated is very similar to my comments six or seven pages ago.Courtesy,consideration,for those who do not have our backrounds,or who have no familiarity with actually killing what they eat.
I respect those who "believe" they are giving in to their principle's by not using the word kill regardless of who their audience is,but I don't agree with it. I have had this happen,I have secured permission to hunt on prime private land in my area,but there have been conditions attached,such as no weekend hunting because either my wife or myself do not want to see a dead animal,or make sure you leave not a trace of the dead animal in the woods,don't drag an animal out this way because my children may see you and it would be upsetting to them. Would you have schooled these people on the harsh realities of nature and told them that you were going to do as you darn well please? A little consideration goes a long way,especially in more populated area's of the country. It seems like a lot of those who will not yield to their use of words are from area's of the country where it is either extremely rural,or hunting is a predominant or integral part of their communities culture. I am by far the minority in a lot of ways in the primarily second home owners from New York City,primarily democrat part of New York state that I come from.Not being considerate of non hunters would be land access suicide for me. |
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I can make a pie chart that shows the statistics I want to show.
And besides....46.87% of all statistics are made up...on the spot.;) What the colorado ski industry comparison DOESN'T tell you.....is that the majority of the monies generated by ski slopes goes where?????? TO THE OWNERS OF THE SKI SLOPES......private companies and/or individuals. The $$ generated via hunting licenses/fees goes to the state. The notion that the hunting industry brings in more money to the state than the ski industry is likely both misleading AND useless information. Take away the money poured into the economy of the state of Colorado via the skiing industry.....and tell me what THAT number is. Add up all the monies made by the private companies (slope and resort owners).....the ski shops.....the hotels.....the restaurants.....and then we'll talk apples and apples. At $500 a license/fee........the numbers stated would have 26 MILLION huntersutilizing the state of Colorado. Make the fees a $1K....and that's 13 MILLION hunters. Double the fees.....and it's still an astronomical number. I'd like to know how these numbers were derived at before I take them as "gospel". And besides.....it has nothing to do with the thread subject. Hunting rights have already been rescinded in some states when it comes to some species. Never say "never". |
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Truthfully, I have a lotof respect for a non-hunting individual who has the presence of mind and decency to ask me how my season has been going, or talk to me about what I do. If I think it's better to sugar-coat my time in the woods by using PC terminology, then I do it. Like I said, I have respect for those individuals, and I treat them accordingly.
Makes no difference to me what anyone does or saysor why they do it. They make their own beds. I make mine. If people want to sound likeinbred whitetail cavemanmercenaries, that's their prerogative. |
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This is a good one. I think we all know what happens to the deer we shoot in the field. Why sugarcoat it right? I dont see a problem with changing a word to lessen the potential blow back from a utopian PC blowhard. Lets face it, we live in a PC world and GMMAT used a word that is less abrasive to those who really cant handle it. I definately wouldnt feel bad about changing the word GMMAT. Im glad you did the segment.
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Now without reading all the posts,
I think the use of the term "harvest" is over used although I will use it from time to time. Take Drury's...they'll use it 10 times in one sentence or statement. What I like to do is use other terms including kill and not limited to, tagged took shot downed dropped recovered etc but you see my point. I tagged this deer, I took this buck, I shot and downed etc...etc....including kill. But that's my 2 penny's. |
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So what happens when the PC blowhards start feeling the word 'harvest' is offensive, are you going to keep on changing to please them??? When does it stop???
It is what it is, killing!...............speaking of killing, I'm going to go now and kill a few beers!:D:D |
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Jeff,I repect your decision totally .... I may have done the same thing in your circumstance ... I wasn't in the moment
Some of you other guys essentially are saying that if the word kill is used by someone when they are talking about killing a deer, they are .... let's see ...."whitetail cavemanmercenaries" ... or that they are not as considerate. You must really stress as you walk though life wondering what to say to who ... so as not to offend. I understand that you agree with what Jeff did .... I may have also ... what gets me is the fact that you talk as if you live in fear of offending someone, and in doing so, they might look upon our sport in a negative light .... be who you are ... they have no prob;em with being who they are .... |
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I don't live in fear of offending anyone. I choose not to out of common courtesy. I don't worry about what I say or who I say it to. And I certainly am true to myself. I don't call names here, I respect others, both here and in all other areas of my life. If anyone thinks that makes me a sell outthats OK by me. I'll still sleep well at night. I also plan to teach my young daughter about respecting others and their opinions and feelings. Why would I go through life offending someone if I can avoid it by doing something so simple as changing a word? ya'll go ahead and be "true" to yourselves and offend all the folks you want to. I don't believe I will.
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman I don't live in fear of offending anyone. I choose not to out of common courtesy. I don't worry about what I say or who I say it to. And I certainly am true to myself. I don't call names here, I respect others, both here and in all other areas of my life. If anyone thinks that makes me a sell outthats OK by me. I'll still sleep well at night. I also plan to teach my young daughter about respecting others and their opinions and feelings. Why would I go through life offending someone if I can avoid it by doing something so simple as changing a word? ya'll go ahead and be "true" to yourselves and offend all the folks you want to. I don't believe I will. |
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Oh MY!!![:o] Reading this post gave me a headache. Bottom Line: You can't please everyone. As hunters, everyone here needs to stick together because there are too many people out there trying to take away our rights!
That being said it's time to go kill something, I'm hungry.  |
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In my opinion, regarding being PC and people being offended, not just in this manner but in society in general is this......The constitution does not guaruntee people to go thru thier entire lives without being offended!
It may be one thing to go around dropping the f bomb and being vulger, but if in everyday ordinary talk you happen to offend somebody...it is much more THIER problem than yours. But sadly in this day and age such is not the case. |
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txjourneyman,
I hear what you are saying, but it can lead to a verbal straightjacket. We all should try not to purposefully offend people, its just that the standards of what offends people are shifting and narrowing. Everyone is in a victim group now (except a WASP like myself), and it seems like too many people are carrying around chips on their shoulders looking to "be offended." It also can make people sound so stuffy, careful and boring. Most good jokes are "offensive" to someone. |
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ORIGINAL: LebeauHunter txjourneyman, I hear what you are saying, but it can lead to a verbal straightjacket. We all should try not to purposefully offend people, its just that the standards of what offends people are shifting and narrowing. Everyone is in a victim group now (except a WASP like myself), and it seems like too many people are carrying around chips on their shoulders looking to "be offended." It also can make people sound so stuffy, careful and boring. Most good jokes are "offensive" to someone. |
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ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool I'm going to go now and kill a few beers!:D:D  |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman I don't live in fear of offending anyone. I choose not to out of common courtesy. I don't worry about what I say or who I say it to. And I certainly am true to myself. I don't call names here, I respect others, both here and in all other areas of my life. If anyone thinks that makes me a sell outthats OK by me. I'll still sleep well at night. I also plan to teach my young daughter about respecting others and their opinions and feelings. Why would I go through life offending someone if I can avoid it by doing something so simple as changing a word? ya'll go ahead and be "true" to yourselves and offend all the folks you want to. I don't believe I will. All we are saying is that, if you have a choice, then what is wrong with choosing the least offensive way. |
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What's wrong with it? Nothing really. I dunno......I'm trying to think of a way to explain my position.......This type of philosophy has become incredibly prevalant in society today. The world teaches us we need to be conservative and tolerant and men need to be sensitive wusses.....
I understand ya'll taking other folks feelings into consideration, but what about OUR feelings (and I don't mean us, as in those of us that use the word kill. I mean us, as a whole, hunters......us)???? Why do WE need to be considerate of them, why can't they be considerate of us, the way we are, the way we talk and considerate of the fact that we KILL deer?? I know that sounds selfish, but I don't mean it that way.....The world doesn't revolve around me, I understand that. If I step back and let it, the sun will rise all on it's own, and the world will revolve all on it's own, without any help from me.......So I truely don't mean that in a self centered way, but why am I the one that has to be tolerant? Why can't the world be tolerant of us?? |
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Do unto others.......
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman Do unto others....... |
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For many of them that is true. They care not a lick about us or our rights to kill. However for many more, the vast majority of them, they do care about individual's rights. They may not care about hunting or hunters but they do care about americans having rights. They may be the same folks that just don't want to hear the bloody truth. For them I can be flexible. Mobo, I know we don't know each other except through a keyboard but I think you know me well enough to know I won't bend to antis. Its not the antis I try to accomodate. It is John and Jane q Public. Those middle of the road folks that may be OK with me hunting, maybe even a little curious, but they don't want a picture in thier head of a dead and bloody deer. Why don't they have to accomodate me? Sheer numbers. That is a sad but true reality. I can't express my views any clearer than I have. This has been an interesting and thought provoking debate for me. I'm grateful for that, its one of the things I like about this site. With that I will agree to disagree with some of you and withdraw from this one. Thank you,(most of you), for keeping it respectful, Greg.
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Mobo you seem to be describing an ARA by the way I read it, but I could just be reading to much into it.
I work in a liberal town. At our company auction I donated the backstaps of my buck last year. The owner of our company bought the straps and we had a wonderful conversation about hunting. He had never hunted before in his life, and was very curious. He told me a couple weeks later how he enjoyed learning about hunting from someone who hunts. I had a very tasteful picture at our auction that was showed on the big screen, and I told my story on how I shot the buck. I hope that day I won a few people over. To me it is not about my right, but it is about my son's right to hunt someday. So I am going to promote huting the best way I know how. That may mean using a word like "Harvest" or it main mean using the word "kill". I do not know, but my main goal is to promote hunting in a postive light. If that means not saying any word to some non-hunters I am fine with that mobo. I do that so I can sit back with guys like you and say "mobo you killed that 150'' but good";) |
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I can respect that germ....One question.....what's ARA?
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animal rights activist
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Oh....yeah, you're reading too much into it.....
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ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr Oh....yeah, you're reading too much into it..... |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr Oh....yeah, you're reading too much into it..... |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman the vast majority of them, they do care about individual's rights. They may not care about hunting or hunters but they do care about americans having rights........ Its not the antis I try to accomodate. It is John and Jane q Public. Those middle of the road folks that may be OK with me hunting, maybe even a little curious, but they don't want a picture in thier head of a dead and bloody deer. Why don't they have to accomodate me? Sheer numbers. That is a sad but true reality. Our actions,speech, attitude and visibility to the non-hunting public needs to be considered at all times. We don't want to portray our sport in a negative light to anyone , especially to those who are "on the fence". I live in a rural sub-division that until last year has NEVER allowed hunting withinit's boundries. Because of this fact and the number of non-hunters on the board of directors , it took 5 years to get an archery hunt to pass by the required board vote. We (the wildlife commitee) took a giant step forward last year. The archery hunt took place w/ 100+ authorized hunters. If you were to ask a resident(non-hunter) here if hunting was going on last year , they would probably say they weren't sure. We regulated everything from where the hunters parked their trucks to requiring your "harvest" to be covered by a tarp when transporting it through the populated areas. There were 100 guys in stealth mode hunting this property. As a result of the success of last year's hunt , the board vted again to approve the hunt this year. This time by a6 to 1 vote , instead of a 4-3 vote last year. So what happened? We won over 2 non-hunters. That was a direct result of our actions as hunters. Yes, it was a PITA, but there are a few more people who approve of archery hunting now. |
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ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr What's wrong with it? Nothing really. I dunno......I'm trying to think of a way to explain my position.......This type of philosophy has become incredibly prevalant in society today. The world teaches us we need to be conservative and tolerant and men need to be sensitive wusses..... I understand ya'll taking other folks feelings into consideration, but what about OUR feelings (and I don't mean us, as in those of us that use the word kill. I mean us, as a whole, hunters......us)???? Why do WE need to be considerate of them, why can't they be considerate of us, the way we are, the way we talk and considerate of the fact that we KILL deer?? I know that sounds selfish, but I don't mean it that way.....The world doesn't revolve around me, I understand that. If I step back and let it, the sun will rise all on it's own, and the world will revolve all on it's own, without any help from me.......So I truely don't mean that in a self centered way, but why am I the one that has to be tolerant? Why can't the world be tolerant of us?? |
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I harvest vegetables or crops, kill deer, and eat or "consume" (if you will) both. Let's not juice it up here, it is what it is. I'd use the word "take" before harvest...
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Duh because they were eating their flowers and running into their SUV's!
ORIGINAL: archer58 ORIGINAL: txjourneyman the vast majority of them, they do care about individual's rights. They may not care about hunting or hunters but they do care about americans having rights........ Its not the antis I try to accomodate. It is John and Jane q Public. Those middle of the road folks that may be OK with me hunting, maybe even a little curious, but they don't want a picture in thier head of a dead and bloody deer. Why don't they have to accomodate me? Sheer numbers. That is a sad but true reality. Our actions,speech, attitude and visibility to the non-hunting public needs to be considered at all times. We don't want to portray our sport in a negative light to anyone , especially to those who are "on the fence". I live in a rural sub-division that until last year has NEVER allowed hunting withinit's boundries. Because of this fact and the number of non-hunters on the board of directors , it took 5 years to get an archery hunt to pass by the required board vote. We (the wildlife commitee) took a giant step forward last year. The archery hunt took place w/ 100+ authorized hunters. If you were to ask a resident(non-hunter) here if hunting was going on last year , they would probably say they weren't sure. We regulated everything from where the hunters parked their trucks to requiring your "harvest" to be covered by a tarp when transporting it through the populated areas. There were 100 guys in stealth mode hunting this property. As a result of the success of last year's hunt , the board vted again to approve the hunt this year. This time by a6 to 1 vote , instead of a 4-3 vote last year. So what happened? We won over 2 non-hunters. That was a direct result of our actions as hunters. Yes, it was a PITA, but there are a few more people who approve of archery hunting now. |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman Do unto others.......  I have harvested a couple deer with swathers. Trust me, I would rather kill them huntingthen harvest them!! [:o] I will not say harvest as it isn't. Got, shot,drilled or killed works for me. About as PC as I get. Tim |
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