Who really does own the deer?
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05-16-2007 | 04:46 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
Yep, as soon as an animal leaves one state it becomes the management responsibility of the neighboring state. I believe all wildlife is owned collectively by their respective states and then a seperate state agency such as a "Fish and Game" agency is charged with protecting and managing as the state sees fit.
Here is a response I copied from "John S" a retired WCO of the PA Game Commision on this very topic:
As per Section 103 of the game code of PA:
"They are owned by the state, held in trust for all people of the Commonwealth and the PGC has been charged by law to manage and protect them for the common good. "
Here is a response I copied from "John S" a retired WCO of the PA Game Commision on this very topic:
As per Section 103 of the game code of PA:
"They are owned by the state, held in trust for all people of the Commonwealth and the PGC has been charged by law to manage and protect them for the common good. "
05-16-2007 | 05:10 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
05-16-2007 | 06:18 PM
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
As an example; Here in AK that definition of take is somewhat ambiguously worded and has some conflicting statutes regarding recovery of the animal and wanton waste regulations. If you kill the animal you have to recover it or you're guilty of wanton waste but if you don't recover it that day and you puch your tag (as you could interpret the definition of "take" to require you to do) and you come back to hunt that animal the next day you're guilty of hunting without a valid tag, and if that animal survives then your tag has been punched for that animal so couldn't you be in the woods trying to affix the punched tag to it? The logic runs round and round like a dog chasing its tail...
05-16-2007 | 07:08 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher
The issue after you shoot one or shoot at one is that the definition of "take" then kicks in and in most states that means if you hit the animal you have "taken" it and must punch your tag. It's not a question of whether or not you recover the animal.
As an example; Here in AK that definition of take is somewhat ambiguously worded and has some conflicting statutes regarding recovery of the animal and wanton waste regulations. If you kill the animal you have to recover it or you're guilty of wanton waste but if you don't recover it that day and you puch your tag (as you could interpret the definition of "take" to require you to do) and you come back to hunt that animal the next day you're guilty of hunting without a valid tag, and if that animal survives then your tag has been punched for that animal so couldn't you be in the woods trying to affix the punched tag to it? The logic runs round and round like a dog chasing its tail...
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
If its not my deer as soon as I shoot/wound it, why is against the law to not attempt to recover your deer/turkey.etc.. If its still the states deer then let them worry about the carcass. I can shoot as many as I want, as I long as I dont tag it, right.[&:][8D]
As an example; Here in AK that definition of take is somewhat ambiguously worded and has some conflicting statutes regarding recovery of the animal and wanton waste regulations. If you kill the animal you have to recover it or you're guilty of wanton waste but if you don't recover it that day and you puch your tag (as you could interpret the definition of "take" to require you to do) and you come back to hunt that animal the next day you're guilty of hunting without a valid tag, and if that animal survives then your tag has been punched for that animal so couldn't you be in the woods trying to affix the punched tag to it? The logic runs round and round like a dog chasing its tail...
05-17-2007 | 06:00 AM
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
god owns everything. the rest is just us playing make believe, albeit very convincingly w/ guns and such to back upsuch vain imaginations. its best just to play along unless the law requires you to do something immoral, then its our responsibility to stand up and get those things changed.
05-17-2007 | 08:52 AM
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RE: Who really does own the deer?
In my state you don't own the deer until you kill it and properly tag it which is your responsibility to do as soon as you recover it. If caught gutting or dragging an untagged deer you will be cited for poaching. Wounding a deer does not constitute possession in this state. Finding a dead deer and tagging it is also against the law. If you decide you want possession you must go through a warden who has the option of giving it to you.