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fletch920 05-16-2007 01:55 PM

RE: Non-Resident Landowner Rights!
 
Doe hunt there. I would not shoot a buck there and would not expect them to let me. Afterall, that is why they own the property. They killed a 186" deer there in November with bow.

brucelanthier 05-16-2007 01:57 PM

RE: Non-Resident Landowner Rights!
 

ORIGINAL: fletch920

Doe hunt there. I would not shoot a buck there and would not expect them to let me. Afterall, that is why they own the property. They killed a 186" deer there in November with bow.
That's understandable.

TEmbry 05-16-2007 02:36 PM

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not to put down some of yall, but i gotta agree with joey. and for calling iowa dnr dumb, is really showing ignorance. Ioaw deer are bruisers BECAUSE OF the dnr. iowas deer were hurting bad until they made these strict rules and regs, and look what happens...the deer rebound, have a better chance to grow big, and suddenly iowa is one of the best known places to hunt for giant whitetails. thats what no rifles, short muzzleloader and shotguns seasons gets you, alot more deer surviving to grow huge. its only common sense.

IMO blaming the dnr doesnt help anything, without them we would be nowhere.

kshunter 05-16-2007 03:39 PM

RE: Non-Resident Landowner Rights!
 
I feel that the arguement of a non-resident landowner being able to hunt their own land because of game management is a perfectly valid point, and I can't say I disagree. Even though the main management too is usually taking a doe, which are gaurenteed (I believe anyways.. I apologize if I'm wrong), which makes it a weaker point. But I think the biggest reason why Iowa has handle NR landowners the way they have, is to protect residents. If Iowa changed it's NRLO to have guarenteed tags, there would be an influx ofNR purchasing land because they would be gaurenteed tags "every year". Land prices are already high enough to eliminate a vast majority of resident hunters to purchase, so why make a change to make it worse.Luckily Iowahas very united hunting organizations, like theIBA, whichhas fought hard to keep it this way to protect their own resident hunting opportunties. I wished other states (like KS)could manage their herd and listen to their majority of residents like Iowa does.

How many people are going to spend the money to buy land in Iowa, being gaurenteed a tag every 2-3 years, when they can go next door, buy land, and hunt big bucks in Kansas or Illinois every year?...Anyways, I think the point is seen. I'm not condoning anyone at all for their opinions because I can see both sides and there are plenty of valid points.

Howler 05-16-2007 08:51 PM

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If Iowa changed it's NRLO to have guarenteed tags, there would be an influx ofNR purchasing land because they would be gaurenteed tags "every year". Land prices are already high enough to eliminate a vast majority of resident hunters to purchase, so why make a change to make it worse.
Possibly, BUT I don't think there would be that big of influx. If good hunting land is being sold, what would keep any resident from buying the same piece of land before a non-resident? I don't think that there are that many hunters looking to buy land just for hunting, although no doubt there are some. I know you see it in KS. My brother in the N.E. corner of KS. lost some ground when some doctors out of KC Missouri bought land near his home, and they bought it simply for hunting, they don't rent it out for any farming/ranching. At the going price for land in IA. and KS. and many other crop producing states, farmers are already priced out of the game because the land is selling for more than the potential income that the land has. It's because of hunting and recreation I beleive. But I just don't think that IA. would be over run with NR land buyers if they change the price of the NR tags for NRLO's.
This, along with many other reasons, is one reason that more farmers/ranchers are turning to leasing, because it helps up the income potential of land, and to be able to afford more land, they gotta make ends meet.

fletch920 05-17-2007 09:30 AM

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Howler, no offense intended but your remarks are very far from the truth. I live in southern Iowa and can assure you that we are already getting over-run with nonresident landowners. Last year, over 60% of the ground sold here was to nonresidents. If the regs change to allow nonresidents to get tags every yearyou have no idea what a mess it would create for the resident hunters and farmers. I have already seen good hunting ground go from $700per acre to well over $2000 per acre in just the last 5 or 6 years. My farm is worth three times what I paid for it just 6 years ago.Most of our rough ground is already owned by hunters. I welcome anyone to buy ground as I have done but believe me when I tell you that opening up tags to nonresident landowners will ruin hunting as we know it here. Just ask our friends in Illinois how bad it has gotten there.

Mike Hill 05-17-2007 09:35 AM

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Well let me tell you I own property in 2 states and it is all open to who ever wants to hunt it. I have never had a problem but I don't go patroling it like the gastopo (SP?).
And I really feel that anyone who posts their land is just helping out the anit's. Think about it. When all the land is leased or privetly owned except the state land which will be over crowded what is going to happen? There will be less people interested in hunting (its happening now in some areas). Then the folks who lease and own and post their property will be left to defend hunting on their own, their numbers will be so small they will loose every battle. So ends hunting. We are loosing big numbers every day. And the number one reason given for people quiting hunting, no place to hunt or limited area. (Deer and deer hunting poll couple years ago).
So go on posting leasing and being selfesh with your property and you and our children and grandchildren will be the loosers. there has to be a better way. (By the way in my state if land is not posted you can hunt it.) Good luck and god help us all.

bawanajim 05-17-2007 11:24 AM

RE: Non-Resident Landowner Rights!
 

ORIGINAL: Mike Hill

Well let me tell you I own property in 2 states and it is all open to who ever wants to hunt it. I have never had a problem but I don't go patroling it like the gastopo (SP?).
And I really feel that anyone who posts their land is just helping out the anit's. Think about it. When all the land is leased or privetly owned except the state land which will be over crowded what is going to happen? There will be less people interested in hunting (its happening now in some areas). Then the folks who lease and own and post their property will be left to defend hunting on their own, their numbers will be so small they will loose every battle. So ends hunting. We are loosing big numbers every day. And the number one reason given for people quiting hunting, no place to hunt or limited area. (Deer and deer hunting poll couple years ago).
So go on posting leasing and being selfesh with your property and you and our children and grandchildren will be the loosers. there has to be a better way. (By the way in my state if land is not posted you can hunt it.) Good luck and god help us all.
That sounds well & good and I am glad you freely let other use your land.But here in PA a land owner was successfully sued for letting a man who later accidentally shot a girl, hunt his land.
Law suits will be the next big problemfor private land owners.

Champlain Islander 05-17-2007 11:39 AM

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BJim
That sounds well & good and I am glad you freely let other use your land.But here in PA a land owner was successfully sued for letting a man who later accidentally shot a girl, hunt his land.
Law suits will be the next big problemfor private land owners.
We don't want to go there with law suits. When that starts to happen then hunting as we know it will cease to exist.I know that issue is on the minds of some land owners and often they are reluctant to grant permission due to the fact that someone may come back on them. Some places have right on the permission form that the land owner is free of all obligation and responsibility for the hunter's actions.

brucelanthier 05-17-2007 11:45 AM

RE: Non-Resident Landowner Rights!
 

ORIGINAL: Champlain Islander

Some places have right on the permission form that the land owner is free of all obligation and responsibility for the hunter's actions.
That is the way it is in Maryland. The permission form has this on it:

In return for the privilege of hunting and/or trapping on this property, I agree to obey the laws, to observe all safety precautions and practices, to take every precaution against fire, and to assume all responsibility and liability for my person and my property while on the landowners property.


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