Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
#21
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
So huntingBry is this situation also weapon dependant? Suppose you were hunting with a Rifle? what about Black powder? Pistol? Shotgun w/slugs?
Does your answer only hold water for a bow? What type? Compound? Traditional? Scoped CrossBow?
So huntingBry is this situation also weapon dependant? Suppose you were hunting with a Rifle? what about Black powder? Pistol? Shotgun w/slugs?
Does your answer only hold water for a bow? What type? Compound? Traditional? Scoped CrossBow?
Small game and upland bird hunting is based on flushing the animals and shooting them. Waterfowl is based on calling the birds in and taking them in flight. Big game hunting is based on getting within the animals defense perimeter and taking a clean killing shot.
It's like comparing trout fishing to ocean sportfish fishing. Yeah they're both fishing, but the way you do it is completely different.
#22
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
ORIGINAL: Germ
Holy cow does it really matter?
Does a pack of wolves walk up on a deer and say "look she is sleeping, lets wait until she wakes up"
If you can sneak up on a sleeping bear, bedded buck or any other critter great for you. Does anyone think if the bear was hungry and found you sleeping he would wait until you had a sporting chance?
It is ok to take to shoot an animal while they are eating, but sleeping is out of the question, LOL
It is ok to trick a deer with scents and calls, but god forbid you hunt and stalk one and shoot during nap time.
Geez
Ok done with rant
Holy cow does it really matter?
Does a pack of wolves walk up on a deer and say "look she is sleeping, lets wait until she wakes up"
If you can sneak up on a sleeping bear, bedded buck or any other critter great for you. Does anyone think if the bear was hungry and found you sleeping he would wait until you had a sporting chance?
It is ok to take to shoot an animal while they are eating, but sleeping is out of the question, LOL
It is ok to trick a deer with scents and calls, but god forbid you hunt and stalk one and shoot during nap time.
Geez
Ok done with rant
Seriously, I don't see what the difference is between standing and feeding and not knowing he was about to get shot and sleeping and not knowing he is about to get shot.
#23
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
Do you think that the bear would give you the courtesy of a wake up call if you were about to be his dinner?
I believe in ethics in hunting but give me a break. This is just ridiculous.
I believe in ethics in hunting but give me a break. This is just ridiculous.
#24
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
ORIGINAL: Germ
yes, and last time i checked the vitals on a broadside standing or sleeping bear are the same size[:-]
ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr
Nothing wrong with it in my eyes. I have a question for you then, is it more ethical to track down a bear and shoot it while it's sleeping or shoot one over bait? From what I can tell most bears are shot over bait from a stand.
It's pretty hard to hunt something that can hunt you back.
In my eyes you have to have BIG brass ones to sneak up on a sleeping bear and shoot it from the ground, with a bow no less!
Paul
Nothing wrong with it in my eyes. I have a question for you then, is it more ethical to track down a bear and shoot it while it's sleeping or shoot one over bait? From what I can tell most bears are shot over bait from a stand.
It's pretty hard to hunt something that can hunt you back.
In my eyes you have to have BIG brass ones to sneak up on a sleeping bear and shoot it from the ground, with a bow no less!
Paul
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RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
You wouldn't shoot a sitting rabbit or a floating duck, goose, many don't shoot pheasants unless they take flight..etc. So does a sleeping bear deserve any less???
You wouldn't shoot a sitting rabbit or a floating duck, goose, many don't shoot pheasants unless they take flight..etc. So does a sleeping bear deserve any less???
I don't waterfowl hunt, so I can't comment on that situation. I always thought shooting them in the water was illegal, looks like maybe it's just bad form, but not against the law?
And where I live you pretty much don't know there is a pheasant there until it's in the air, so you don't have much of a choice on that one. Again, I don't use a dog. I would have no problem shooting one running along the ground though. I love the taste of pheasant and they are hard to hunt in my area so I am not passing up any shot at one.
I will admit using a pointing dog and shooting them while sitting wouldn't be very sporting.
Thats just me though I guess.
Paul
#27
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
Paul, the image of someone poking a bear with a stick to wake it up left me in stitches. I'll probably still laugh about it tonight and my wife will shake her head when she finds out the cause of my guffawing.
I've only hunted ducks a few times but I don't get that whole its unethical to shoot ducks floating in the water, only while they're in flight into the water? Seems to me like a duck is a duck. Now it's easier to shoot a sitting or floating duck, perhaps even less sportsmanlike if you dare say, but I don't see how its unethical or something that would lead someone to accusing you of being some sort of outcast for.
I've only hunted ducks a few times but I don't get that whole its unethical to shoot ducks floating in the water, only while they're in flight into the water? Seems to me like a duck is a duck. Now it's easier to shoot a sitting or floating duck, perhaps even less sportsmanlike if you dare say, but I don't see how its unethical or something that would lead someone to accusing you of being some sort of outcast for.
#28
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
Chuck,
That did conjure up a hilarious mental image, didn't it? There is no way that I could bow hunt brown bear from the ground. I have a phobia about those things. My wife wants to move to the Cascade Mountains in northern Washington State in a few years. It'd be beautiful, but I have abit of aproblem living where there are huge critters that caneat me, like Grizzlies.
That did conjure up a hilarious mental image, didn't it? There is no way that I could bow hunt brown bear from the ground. I have a phobia about those things. My wife wants to move to the Cascade Mountains in northern Washington State in a few years. It'd be beautiful, but I have abit of aproblem living where there are huge critters that caneat me, like Grizzlies.
#29
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
If I can get withinMY effective kill range(regardless of weapon) on any legal game animal or bird. I'm shooting!! I don't care if it's sleeping, eating, drinking, breeding, or wiping it's......!
#30
RE: Can the trophy determine what's ethical??
Bry:
The reason I said what I did about the BROWN bear is......it's a HELLUVA lot more aggressive than a BLACK bear (which is what's more frequently hunted). My remark was in jest.
What does the species of bear have to do with anything? Bedded deer, sleeping bear (any species), wallowing bull, whatever. You still need to have the skill to stalk through the animal's environment and get within their defenses to be able to get the shot, and still keep your composure while shooting. To me the type of animal in this case is irrelevant.