Any golfers out there.....interesting questions?
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Nontypical Buck
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Archery is a sport and requires a lot of the same kind of practice, dedication, and committment. The only sport I've ever practiced more at than archery is golf, not football, not basketball(the other two I played a bit). Golf and archeryare much more technicalthan those sports IMO(not talking about play calling oranything like that just the individual physical and mental part). I wouldsay that I seea common ground between archery and golf. I didn't want to comment on the other thread (it was more fun just reading that one) but I knew what you meant. When I was developing into a better golfer I got withthe local proshop and an instructor to help me try to reachthe next level of playing (next level for me). I went tothose guys because they are the experts, there are a million guys on a golf course or driving range that can tell you eveything you are doing wrong and what you need to use as far as equipment but are they themostqualified? No. The guys that are pros and a lot ofthe ones that work in the shops are, and after going and having them analyze eveything and fit me to my new set of clubs(switched froma beginner/intermediate set to some T-Zoid irons)and practicing on thethings they noticed I could improve on I had immediate improvement and continue to improve. I had basically become better than my old set of clubs and the new ones were fitted to me. Theywere an extra inch long and just fit me better, the increased shaft stiffness helped me a lot because of my swing speed,not to mention the fact that having more ofa blade style ironincreased myability to maneuver the golf ball. Now a lot of that I might have eventually learned but they flattened out my learning curve so to speak. I still only play for fun and I am definitely no pro but canshoot in the low 80's consistently and have broke into the 70's on several outings and I don't think I would be doing that without their help. Sorry, I can never keep my replies short.
Archery is a sport and requires a lot of the same kind of practice, dedication, and committment. The only sport I've ever practiced more at than archery is golf, not football, not basketball(the other two I played a bit). Golf and archeryare much more technicalthan those sports IMO(not talking about play calling oranything like that just the individual physical and mental part). I wouldsay that I seea common ground between archery and golf. I didn't want to comment on the other thread (it was more fun just reading that one) but I knew what you meant. When I was developing into a better golfer I got withthe local proshop and an instructor to help me try to reachthe next level of playing (next level for me). I went tothose guys because they are the experts, there are a million guys on a golf course or driving range that can tell you eveything you are doing wrong and what you need to use as far as equipment but are they themostqualified? No. The guys that are pros and a lot ofthe ones that work in the shops are, and after going and having them analyze eveything and fit me to my new set of clubs(switched froma beginner/intermediate set to some T-Zoid irons)and practicing on thethings they noticed I could improve on I had immediate improvement and continue to improve. I had basically become better than my old set of clubs and the new ones were fitted to me. Theywere an extra inch long and just fit me better, the increased shaft stiffness helped me a lot because of my swing speed,not to mention the fact that having more ofa blade style ironincreased myability to maneuver the golf ball. Now a lot of that I might have eventually learned but they flattened out my learning curve so to speak. I still only play for fun and I am definitely no pro but canshoot in the low 80's consistently and have broke into the 70's on several outings and I don't think I would be doing that without their help. Sorry, I can never keep my replies short.
Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs. Although, I think as we get older though we do not have the same abilities as a youngster and therefore need equipment set up just for our body to play well.
Istated in another post about golf archery. It's a great way to learn to judge yardages. I love to golf and I love to shoot.
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I agree, I didn't mean to come across as sayingthose sports or othersare not difficult or don't require practice and dedication. I just felt golf compared more to archery than say football or basketball(to me anyway).I completely understand what you are saying about the $80 golf clubs andbeing a scratch golfer, some people are just naturally better than others and equipment can't change that a whole lot. I didn't take up golf until I was in mymid20's and I see kids regularily that are way better than me. Their swings just look a lot more fluid and natural thanmine.I don't think myclubs necessarily make me a better golfer because I wa****ting my original clubs fairly well too but the new clubsdid add a little bit of distance and a lot more control of the ball and I feellike that helps me agood dealin regards to course management and gives me a few more options. My hunting buddy hates itbecause he shoots all the time and I take time off sometimes and come back like I never missed a beat shooting right with him, but I have put my time in on the range and in the woods in the past and I don't ever allow too much rust to build up.
#14
There is one large distance about golf (atleast high level golf). I am a low handicapper and the ability to work the golf ball is very important when you start to really attack a golf course. Therefore instead of having one repeatable swing I have numerous that let me fade or draw the ball on command (or hit it high and soft or low and hard) I'd say the best comparison is the importance of distance judging.
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Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs.
That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them.
Kudos.
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
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That's a whale of an accomplishment....and it has nothing to do with the set of clubs. I've actually never met a scratch golfer who could play that infrequently (and I have no idea of the course you were playing, either (although that 'should' have been weighted via the slope/course rating system in place by the USGA).
That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them.
Kudos.
Also, when I was about 18 and played golf about 2 days a week I was a scratch golfer with an $80 set of clubs.
That's quite incredible. The scratch golfers I've known pretty much touch a club, EVERY day......and I've been associated with my share of them.
Kudos.
I have never seen that either ....dave.. or should I say Tiger
... if your not strrrrrretching the truth a little ... you should do that for a living
#17
The USGA handicapping system is funny (to outsiders). It kicks out yourhighest 10 of your last 20 scores......and computes your handicap based on the slope/course rating of your lowest 10.
Even still.......to reach "scratch".....is a phenomenal achievement.
To add to this.....there's a TON of scratch golfers out there swho aspire that they could (or WANT to) play with the PGA pros. Lanny Wadkins once said that a player needed to be a +6 on his home course to realistically think he might have a chance with the touring pros. This statement was made over 15 yrs ago. I happen to think it might be higher, now.
I figured it out, once. If I had been on the PGA Tour in 1992......and I shot even par in EVERY round of EVERY tournament.......I'd have made over $300K. Today.....I wouldn't keep my card. An even par round of golf .....shot on the course set-ups of the TOUR, today......would see a golfer with a HIGH + hcp.
These guys ARE good.
I shared Asst. Pro duties at Quail Hollow (Home of next month's Wachovia Championship) with the greatest golfer I've ever seen play day in and day out. His name was Craig Rudolph (son of former PGA Tour player, mason Rudolph). Craig died in Rick Hendrix' helicopter crash.....coming home from a NASCAR race. As phenomenal as he was......he played one season and lost his card. If he couldn't make it, out there.....it sure showed ME something.
I'm in AWE every time I watch these guys.
Even still.......to reach "scratch".....is a phenomenal achievement.
To add to this.....there's a TON of scratch golfers out there swho aspire that they could (or WANT to) play with the PGA pros. Lanny Wadkins once said that a player needed to be a +6 on his home course to realistically think he might have a chance with the touring pros. This statement was made over 15 yrs ago. I happen to think it might be higher, now.
I figured it out, once. If I had been on the PGA Tour in 1992......and I shot even par in EVERY round of EVERY tournament.......I'd have made over $300K. Today.....I wouldn't keep my card. An even par round of golf .....shot on the course set-ups of the TOUR, today......would see a golfer with a HIGH + hcp.
These guys ARE good.
I shared Asst. Pro duties at Quail Hollow (Home of next month's Wachovia Championship) with the greatest golfer I've ever seen play day in and day out. His name was Craig Rudolph (son of former PGA Tour player, mason Rudolph). Craig died in Rick Hendrix' helicopter crash.....coming home from a NASCAR race. As phenomenal as he was......he played one season and lost his card. If he couldn't make it, out there.....it sure showed ME something.
I'm in AWE every time I watch these guys.
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Nontypical Buck
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Buckeye asked why I always tend to relate archery to golf. It was a fair question....and I'm not making light of it.
I do that because it's the only thing "I know" I can relate archery to. I tried to get a buddy introduced to archery (even target shooting).....and I then started to realize how much they ARE similar.
In golf.....I practiced a lot.....moreso than I do in shooting my bow. in golf.....we try to achieve a repeated swing. We try to ingrain into our minds.....THE swing. We do this....so that we can make the SAME swing....NO MATTER what the situation before us entails (ex. driving off the tee when you're one shot up on the final hole vs. your first tee shot). The golf swing becomes almost WHOLELY, MENTAL. You've practiced it a million times. Now just go out there.....trust it....and EXECUTE.
Does any of this sound familiar?
I found this out.....just how familiar this is.....when I was shooting 5-spot....and during 3D shoots. To me....it's amazing the similarities these two endeavors share.
Does any of this hit home with you.....even in other sports?
Buckeye asked why I always tend to relate archery to golf. It was a fair question....and I'm not making light of it.
I do that because it's the only thing "I know" I can relate archery to. I tried to get a buddy introduced to archery (even target shooting).....and I then started to realize how much they ARE similar.
In golf.....I practiced a lot.....moreso than I do in shooting my bow. in golf.....we try to achieve a repeated swing. We try to ingrain into our minds.....THE swing. We do this....so that we can make the SAME swing....NO MATTER what the situation before us entails (ex. driving off the tee when you're one shot up on the final hole vs. your first tee shot). The golf swing becomes almost WHOLELY, MENTAL. You've practiced it a million times. Now just go out there.....trust it....and EXECUTE.
Does any of this sound familiar?
I found this out.....just how familiar this is.....when I was shooting 5-spot....and during 3D shoots. To me....it's amazing the similarities these two endeavors share.
Does any of this hit home with you.....even in other sports?
Preshot routine, 1 shot at a time, posture, form, limit distractions, don't rush, don't let 1 bad shot ruin your day, etc.
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I always compare golf and archery as far as what's involved to have a good golf swing in relation tobeing agood archer. The mindset while practicing and developing consistencyis very similar. A good comparison IMO.
And yes....... I can attest to that! These guys really are remarkable. I'm a washed up/wannabee(according to some of my friends around here[8D]) golf pro. Been bouncing around mini tours, monday qualifiers, open qualifiers, Q school etc..... Came close to making it to the big show, but could never quite get over the hump. Even if I (or someone else) did, staying there is equally as hard. I have several close friends that have had a one or two year stint on the PGA tour and are back at square one now. I marvel at the guys out there that retain their card every year. Their talent is simply at a different level than 99.8% of the people in the world.
These guys ARE good.
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I always compare golf and archery as far as what's involved to have a good golf swing in relation tobeing agood archer. The mindset while practicing and developing consistencyis very similar. A good comparison IMO.
And yes....... I can attest to that! These guys really are remarkable. I'm a washed up/wannabee(according to some of my friends around here[8D]) golf pro. Been bouncing around mini tours, monday qualifiers, open qualifiers, Q school etc..... Came close to making it to the big show, but could never quite get over the hump. Even if I (or someone else) did, staying there is equally as hard. I have several close friends that have had a one or two year stint on the PGA tour and are back at square one now. I marvel at the guys out there that retain their card every year. Their talent is simply at a different level than 99.8% of the people in the world.
I always compare golf and archery as far as what's involved to have a good golf swing in relation tobeing agood archer. The mindset while practicing and developing consistencyis very similar. A good comparison IMO.
These guys ARE good.
I am a 7 handicap and that is all I have the talent to be. Keeptrying!!!
I can tell anyone like a pro archer a pro golfer will help you if you listen and work on what they tell you.
I was a 18 handcap 10 years ago, every year I take lessons. I have reached my peak, LOL, but I am still working for a 6.5


