Boo Biscuit?
 

Went into the shop today to purchase a drop away rest. Shop guy comes up to me and redirects me over to the WB. Says that every guy that works there shoots one and I should give it a try.

15 minutes later, I am standing in front of a target, 20 yards away with my release aid, my arrows and the proper WB that fits my arrowson the exact bow I shoot now. I nocked an arrow, fired it down range. Here are my thoughts:

1.A bit loud. (bristles against the arrow shaft)
2. Love the full containment.
3. I would need one with a windage adjustment.

Nocked a second arrow, fired it down range after the shop guy made some modifications. The guy next to me said that he has firedapprox. 5000 shots through his andit looks and reactslike new. Here are my thoughts:

1. Not loud anymore.
2. Still love the full containment.
3. I would need one with a windage adjustment.
4. Why are all the whiskers now sticking out/criss crossedin the biscuit?

After a few more adjustments including centershot, etc. I fired a third, fourth and fifth arrow down range. Here are my thoughts:

1. Not loud.
2. Still love the full containment.
3. I would need one with a windage adjustment.
4. Boy those whiskers are looking worse. (cheap looking whiskers)
5. The whisker biscuit circleis made of plastic....might be some metal inside. I can move the thing with my fingers. Not sure I like that.Does not seemdurable enough.

Once everyone was clear, I walked down to pick up my arrows and immediately was pissed. My blazer vanes were destroyed, warped beyond any sort of repair other than to strip the arrows and re-apply a vane.

5 shots = 5 wrecked arrows? I asked the shop guy how this can happen. He told me that his vanes were warped as well but they still shot well through the WB.

.................?

Is this what I can expect? If it is...WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT!

A straight vane "sifting" through fibers is on thing. A warped vane "sifting" through fibers is another. Warped vanes are going to cause greater contact with the WB. I don't want that. Loss of accuracy and loss of speed.

Say this WB wasn't set up correctly. Can I still expect to see warping of my vanes after 100 shots? 1000 shots?

As a courtesy, the shop refletched my arrows free of charge.

They offered to have me try another biscuit....."no thanks".

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Yeah, ive seen this happen before. Im switching to a full containment, drop-away when i get the new bow in...

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I'd say the WB was not adjusted right. The cock fletch needs to be up so that the bottom ones straddle the dark colored bristles. I have put thousands of shots through mine - using Blazer 2" - can't see any damage on them. There are different size holes in the WB - you want one slightly bigger than your arrow shafts. Sure your Blazers aren't hitting anything on the bow?

And there is a windage adjustment. It's not a micrometer adjustment, but you loosen the set screw and move it left/right as well as adjusting the angle. I like to mount the cross bar with contact against the bottom back of the arrow shelf.

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Yeah that is what made the switch for me it kept destroying my vanes

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Funny that nothing like that has ever happened with my whisker biscuits:eek:

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Also, FYI, I recently removed a Tropy Taker drop away from my Hoyt Pro Tec to install a Whisker Biscuit. Have them on all my other bows as well.

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My first five shots completely took the vanes off of two of my brand new arrows...I switched to a dropaway now, but I did put blazer vanes for the remainder of the season with the WB...worked alright for me.

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This is honestly the first time I've ever heard of Blazer vanes being damaged by a WB. Which style of Blazers were you shooting?

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I've been shooting with WBs for 6 years, I use 4" vanes and have no "real" problems other than some wavingwhich doesn't effect my accuracy at all. As far as the bristles getting all mixed up, I've never had this happen. It sounds like your arrow isn't passing "straight" through your Bisquit for what ever reason. Check your centershot.
What your describing sounds like a tuning issue, either with the Bisquit, the bow or both.I wouldn't "hunt" with any other rest. Also, there is some noise when drawing through the Bisquit, but I've never had it scare or alert any deer. Both of my bucks this past season were under 20yrds when I shot them.;)

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This will be myfifth season with the WB, and have not seen any fletching damage at all.

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It has windage adjustments.





Your rest was setup poorly.


This confirms my earlier thoughts.........why are they adjusting your center shot after you are already shooting? It should have been done BEFORE you started shooting.

Durability has NEVER been a concern with this rest...........if anything it is considered pretty tough.


This totally convinces me your rest was totally botched on setup........your arrows were making contact with the outer ring (and who knows what else)..........Blazer vanes are almost impossible to warp, and definitely not in 1 shot..............and I don't think ANY rest in the world could damage all 3 Blazer vanes on an arrow in 1 shot.


No........get your bow setup properly and you will see.


I don't.

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I never had any problems with a Whisker Biscuit. I used one on my old bow shooting XX78 Superslams and bought a new one when I bought a new bow . Yeah , the 4" fletching gets a little wavey . So what ! I refletched some arrows with blazers and put a dab of glue on the leading edge of each vane . Killed several deer with the WB setup . I am going to try a Drop Away just to see what it's like . If I don't like the Drop Away , i'll put the WB back on ........
Oh yeah , it slows your arrow down at least 3' per second . Speed is only important if you hit your target .

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Cock feather was up, WB hole was larger than my arrow, Blazers were not hitting anything on the bow, it was center shot. I can't explain it either.

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The rest was center shot before I tried it, we just center shot it again to make sure nothing was off.

I am not trying to nock the WB. I am just trying to figure out what went wrong. I know of many people who use them and love em.

I will give the WB another chance in two weeks prior to purchasing the Trophy Taker Pronghorn rest. Maybe I will get diff. results. I'll make sure I get a different tester bow with a diff. biscuit.

Thanks all.

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mine are all in great condition. ive never had to redo my vanes or anything. i ove my wb.

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I had the WB but was tired of re-fletching my biggest issue. loved everything else.
Ran across this link the other day and it may solve the re-fletching problem.

http://www.huntersfriend.com/catawba...est-review.htm

GC

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When I installed my bisquit it paper tuned to perfect bullet holes in 6 shots. I also used a test arrow and fired it over 150 times and it had no damage whatsoever to the vanes. It had Bohning Blazers. One thing I did do when switching to a bisquit is switch to smoother finish shafts like Bemans and ACC since they make no noise on draw back. Your bisquit was 2 things, first it was not properly installed & squared off and secondly was the cheaper version. Buy the delux model and it has all the adjustment you need.

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Wow - this looks like an awesome rest. Are there any mainstream sources for obtaining one? Thanks. Roskoe

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This rest looks interesting, but it still doesn't address my only hick-up with the WB, noise during the draw.

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I've seen this problem a million times working in several pro shops. I've seen more guys turn away from them due to this problem that all the guys I've seen that own one. I'd stay away from them. Most of the guys on this forum are either for them or against them...i'm against them...just seen way too many problems. I'd just say forget it if I was you.

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Make sure you get a different guy to set it up too:D

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that rest looks great. I am a whisker b dude, but I think I will try this one out.....

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NAP (and many others) were forced to try to copy or improve on the WB due to it's immense popularity. None have really caught on though. Your link shows many of the copies but the NAP 360 looks most like the Catawba so I can see why they excluded it.






"If you can't beat 'em...............Join 'em"

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I agree with this statement.....after trying several arrows in varous biscuits. I just wasn't willing to ditch hundreds of dollars worth of arrows to justify one $50 rest.

Again....I understand this statement (as it's the reson I switched). It all boils down to what YOU are willing to live with. If you're using certain arrows.....noise is NOT a factor with the WB. If you're using arrows with a rough coating it IS. Make your own decisions......based on YOUR set-up and what you're willing to concede.

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The WB is a convenient scapegoat for the shortcomings of the archer/hunter.

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"Shortcomings"??

LOL!

So.....either the WB is the greatest archery rest in the world......or it's the ARCHER/HUNTER'S "shortcoming" for not recognizing it???

LOL!!

That makes my DAY!

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As are many things Atlas, not just the WB;)

Just like the Montec Sharpness issue, I have yet to have a problem and 12 dead deer that all fell in eye sight. Yet some folks have issues with Montec, and choose another head. Does them make them bad hunter or wrong? No just means Montec is not for everyone.

Believe it or not the WB is not for everyone, it's OK;)

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Never said that.


or that.

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I hear ya.........that was really my point. TONS of people like to blame everything BUT themselves for a bad shot.


I don't remember saying it was.

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I don't know, Atlas. I haven't seen much of this.....especially here. I think people are pretty true to themselves and to the public when they make a bad shot. Who/What else CAN you blame for a bad shot (other than a limb?)?

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I don't get it, Atlas. You were talking about people taking bad shots. Who in the forums has ever blamed a bad shot on something other than themsleves?

I'm not following you.

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And another thing, while we're at it, atlas.

You took a PORTION of a sentence I said.....and quoted me (out of context). If I remember correctly....you screamed bloody murder when some people did that to you in the past.

If you're going to quote me.......quote me. Don't misquote me to try and bait an argument. It's common courtesy......and you'd be sqealing if someone did it, to you.

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No kidding.

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Because it was completely hypocritical and funny.


I did.

I didn't.


Coming from you that is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

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I'llput a Whisker Biscuit on my bow as soon as they come out with carbon absorbing technology to reduce the odor of the friction smell of warped vanes and shaft wear that is created when I send bow an arrow out of my bow at blistering fast speeds.[8D] No thanks for me; I love my drop away.Why have fletching contact when there are dropaways? 99% of my hunting I sit in a treestand or a ground blind and have never had an arrow need to be fully contained. The bow just sets there in my stand with an arrow nocked and ready; no need for containment. Now if I was out west crawling around on my belly for a mulie all of the timeI would go with a self contained dropaway. No need for a containment restfor stand hunters.

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Let the record show.......

.......that Harcore and I ......on 4/2/07......on this topic......are in TOTAL agreement.

:)

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You didn't answer this, either.

Should we start one of your counts to see how many times I have to ask?

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LOL!!! Yes people, hell has frozen over.:D

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Why do you suppose their are so many drop away rests trying to come up with arrow containment ideas?...........like this one for example.