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What would ya'll recommend for a COC broadhead.
I don't like Hole punchers or Mechanicals, no offense folks, I just don't.
I'm lookin at about 75-85 gr. range.
Ideas? I like the look of Montecs but hear they're hard to sharpen.

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Let's be honest.....

If my 125gr Muzzy .......is shot out of my 71# Bowtech Allegiance........

Do you think it's going to cut .....on contact?

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Really, No offensefolks. I just don't care for hole-punchers. Muzzys are great broadheads. If I was going with a chisel-point, it'd be Muzzy for sure.

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For a true cut-on-contact style, I suggest Simmons Sharks and Magnus. If you go to the Simmons site, it doesn't show it yet, but they are making a smaller version of the Razor Shark this year called the Mako in 85 grains (and 100 grains). Magnus makes a 85 grain Stinger that is great as well. I think Steel Force and Sonic/American might have a COC that light, but I can't recommend them as I've never used them. In order to get more selection, you either have to jump up to 100 grains or shoot chisel tips.

Hope that helps a little.

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In that weight range, I would go with the Magnus as well. I've checked out the Sonics, and I just don't like them, can't really put my finger on it, but they just don't do it for me. Plus, with the 85 grain Magnus, you still get a good cutting diameter. If you are looking to go up to 100 grains, I think the Muzzy Phantom is the best COC head out there right now. Any reason you are stuck at 85 grains?

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Hey Deep....

I wasn't offended.....I'm just trying tointerject somerealism. My hunting arrow weighs in at 460gr+. My 3D arrows are traveling over 300fps.....so my hunting arow isn't far behind. I think ANYTHING my Muzzy touches......it's gonna "cut on contact".

If you're shooting a much lower KE setup.......I guess it matters. I guess????

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A standard muzzy is not condsidered a cut on contact head, a muzzy phantom is. I know some people though that sharpen the trocar tip on the standard muzzy, so I guess that's pretty darn close.

Wish I could help you Deep, but I have never used that light of a head. I have used pretty much every COC head in the 125-220 grain range though. My favorites being Stinger and Phantom.

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Not really sure what you are looking for, but the New RAGE two and three blade mechs. are nice. fly true for me anyways

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I like the steel force heads, just don't get the ones with the serrated edges. Sort of defeats the purpose of using a cut on cantact head.

Paul

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Are you a kid that is pulling 35 - 40 pounds? If not why do you want such a light weight broadhead. You literally have dozens of more choices in the 100 grain weight than you do itn the "less than" 100 grain weight.

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I just use Rocky Mountain 3 Blade Ironheads & know they have taken down good Whitetails, tough wild hogs, Elk & a 1000# Buffalo.
Complete pentration is what I like & that's what I have been getting out of 60# Darton & 2216# Eastons.
Are you looking for a hunting set up or a "SPEED" set up for Tournament shooting?
When I used to toury shoot it was "ALL" speed, flat shooting. When it comes to hunting I go for more weight & give up the speed.

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My wife uses the 85 grain magnus stingers and they are a great broadhead.

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The G5 Montecs you mentioned are hard to sharpen. The new G5 Srtikers are extremely sharp out of the box. I used them last season for Deer, and Turkey. They worked flawless. Some don't think there is a difference between a cut on contact head and a chisel point head. I know different from hyde test. Try the Strikers, I think you will really like them. Chris

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I hear that, I am still waiting on the hide test they do with broadheads and bull elk hide caked with an inch or two of mud after he's wallowed for days... ;)

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Or the one where they put something behind the hide......say to act like a rib cage;). The testcited (hide) reminds me of trying to pound a nail into a 1/2" sheet of plywood......with the endsof the plywood on saw horses. Now put something solid under the center.....and drive that same nail. If you putsomething solid under that hide.....(say.....to act like a ribcage??)......the test would be more realistic.As tested, though.....Ilend it NO credence.

I'm thinking a spoon shot at 300fps would puncture that hide.

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Hunt with a damn spoon then.

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Isn't cutting on contact what a broadhead is suppose to do????? i have never understood those.

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LOL......It's anopinion.....and a figure of speech('course....you knew that).

I just think the "cut on contact" aspect is WAYYY overrated....especially when you're pushing the FPS today's bows are. It's just an opinion.

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Nothing is overrated when it comes to penetration in archery hunting. You never know when something goes wrong and you need all the help you can get, to get that head as deep as possible.
Besides without knowing what the guys setup is, how can you dismiss his concern and tell him what is good for him?

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I didn't dismiss his concern, Rybo. I stated an opinion on "cut on contact" heads. If he's shooting low poundage or a lighter arrow.....then he needs to make a conscious, educated decision.

I was hoping to elicit a response as to why he didn't like "hole punchers" (because I sensed a negative connotation).

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GMMAT Silver Express.

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Hey I LIKE IT!:)

I watched a guy in a movie, one time, stick a spoon into a guy's throat. How much KE would occur if that thing was traveling 300FPS?

I'm sorry this got off track. I DO see the benefits of COC heads. Yes. It's undeniable. It's also (again....MY opinion)........overrated (for MY setup). For others....they need to calculate their KE/FPS/etc...and decide for themselves. I just hate to see blanket statements thrown out there RE: EITHER type of broadhead.

Have a great weekend, guys.

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I see your thread got lost in the mix!!

Yes cut on contact start to cut the hide as soon as it hits it.

A chizel type head will "punch" through the hide until the blades start to cut.

I have killed deer with both types. Muzzy is a fine head, but I have been using Montecs the last 4 years and I love them. Be warned if you go with Montecs you will need to spend at least and hour on each head to get them really sharp.

I tested the G5 Striker and loved it. Cut on contact and just plain scary sharp!!!!! out of the box. Next season I will be using G5 Strikers. One thing nice about G5 is all their broadheads are spin tested. They all fly the same!

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Good stuff, Germ. I sent Deep a PM apologizing for his thread getting off-track (and my involvement).

Have a good one, folks!

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Imagine that. I answered his question 12 post ago.

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Personally I would rather have a chisel type of head to shatter bone some before the blades and the rest of the arrowgets there. Provides a more open path through a bone, like a shoulder blade, for the arrow to followthan a COC head will.

Having said that, if you are pulling low enough poundage then neither one will get far though a shoulder and the COC will give easier penetration through soft tissue between the rib cage.

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I'm with BB on this. I've seen several COC tips get damaged which effects the rest of the arrow all the way through.

For a COC head, you can'g go wrong with Magnus heads, or Montecs for that matter.

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No offense, Chris....but you "answered his question? with an opinion. it's an opinion not everyone agrees with. The rest is your attempt to belittle and bait.

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If you don't mind upping your grain weight, which would probably help your FOC, the Montec g5's have worked well for me, as well as the razorcaps. Both handled bone very well and in the cases where both ribs were shot through on a bull, the broadhead tips were in great shape.

If you are shooting very low poundage, I would look for a 2 bladed design without bleeder blades for the best penetration but then your blood trail may be a little weak due to a one direction wound channel.

Good luck!!

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Yes let's do be honest Jeff. The man asked for an opinion on coc broadheads and you responded with this. I suggested the G5strikers. Now whats your spin?

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I use G5 Montec 100grain and i absolutly love them. They Fly Great and are 100% Steel, so are super tough. (but as you've heard many times, are a little time consuming while sharpening, but fun to do while watching your fav. hunting show!) I have heard excelent things about the Striker, but have yet to try them ,hmm think they are sharp? i havent heard:D. But if you are stuck with wanting a lower grain broadhead, i suggest Montec i believe they come in 85 grain? correct me if i'm wrong.

KP

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I'm partial to 190 grn Grizzlies, myself. Once the black finish hastaken a crimson stain, they make as striking (and nearly as large) a wall mount as any big game. ;)

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wow bet that cuts on contact, looks like a big game guillotine.

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That's not a broadhead, AK... that's a spear! ;)

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I can see why you like that AK. A 1 to 3 ratio provides the best penetration and flight characteristics. Those heads look similar to the Modocs that I used to shoot.

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wasp sharpshooters

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Haven't you learned by now Motown??........EVERY thread is secretly about him


Let's see if we can't help this guy with his question instead of criticizing his choices............what a novel idea ;)


I am a big fan of COC heads.........penetration and tissue damage are all you want and need from a broadhead. Any broadhead out there should fly accurately enough out of a well tuned bow (some are better though in my experience).........and if you are shopping for broadheads because you want it to smash through bones then your priorities are in the wrong place. It's much easier to practice and take good shots in the field then to hope your head wins the battle vs heavy bone. Without a doubt in my mind more often then not you will lose that battle...........pretty much a long winded way of saying don't shoot them in the freakin' shoulder or spine.........accidents and bad shots happen but no matter what head you have on in those situations the odds are not in your favor.

For COC heads I would recommend Magnus Stingers first. They are tried and true heads that have a LONG standing history of excellence. They fly great........not good........GREAT. They are wicked sharp and they leave BIG holes (notice the plural) and gory blood trails. They make an 85 grain head in both the Stinger and Buzzcutt (serrated). The best thing about them is you can replace the blades.......practice all you want then just put in fresh blades are you are scalpel sharp and ready to roll.

SteelForce would be my next choice.........They are VERY sharp and fly almost as well as the Stingers. They are very tough and do a TON of damage.........ONLY downside IMO is you can't replace the blades. Great head and also comes in 85 grain.

I am going to try the G5 Strikers and Shuttle T-Locks this year as well but I don't know if they come in 85gr.

One thing about COC heads that gets lost in the mix sometimes is the importance of a pass through. If you get a pass through your chances of successfully tracking that deer go up exponentially IMO. Getting a pass through should be every hunters #1(b) goal.......with #1(a) being a well placed shot. 2 holes spraying blood makes a WORLD of difference in the woods especially from a tree stand when the angle of entry is sometimes pretty steep..........1 hole near the top of a deer's back is not gonna leave you a lot of sign to follow........you will be following drops (if that) instead of splashes and sprays. My brother shot a deer last year and made a perfect kill shot BUT it hit the opposite shoulder and never came out...........we found that deer by good visual recall by my brother and following tracks in the mud.........there was 1 drop of blood on the whole trail about half way down and then nothing until about 10 yards before he piled up. I honestly believe if that situation happened to someone (or a group) that had limited or no tracking experience the deer would have been lost.

My best friends bow is a snail..........about 218 fps and he shoots SteelForce heads through deer like a hot knife through butter. Getting a clean passthrough at those speeds says a lot about a heads sharpness and penetration ability.

Take into account if replacing the blades is important to you and then narrow your choice that way to start.

Good Luck

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Same with Magnus...........and yes, that IS a nice thing :)

Here is the Stinger



The Buzzcutt



SteelForce



I see that SteelForce has a new sharpener available this year...........could be a MAJOR plus for these heads.

G5 Striker

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wow, that striker is a sharp looking broadhead (pun both,intended and not intended) might just have to pick me up some, and see how they fly

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How is that ignoring thing working out Atlas:D

No Striker does not come in 85 grains. I am kind of shocked because the Montec does.