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We went throught this last nov/dec

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I work in the chemical industry and we use CARBON filters to filter out unwanted purities in EVERYTHING, in size's from a pencil, to 500LB tray's located in the (smoke)stack, and it work's like a charm. How Carbon relate's to clothing, I have no idea, because clothing is not air tight, like most carbon filters are.

And with that being said, Carbon does need to be heated at extreme heat for a long amount of time to "re-activate it, it is such a difficult process in fact, that we just discard the "used" filters and replace them with new one's.

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Deer Hunting - Do activated-carbon garments really work?
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When Chuck Adam, for instance, talks or writes, I listen and pay attention. I’d be crazy if I didn’t. He is without question a knowledgeable bow hunter and we all stand to learn a lot from an experienced bow hunter like him. Check out what Chuck Adams has said about carbon clothing.


activated-carbon comes in the form of a very fine powder, which is impregnated or weaved into the textile fibers of garments. It also comes in a granular form. Both forms are used in various applications including to purify both water and air. Some of the popular drinking water filters and mechanical air filters on the market use activated-carbon as a filter media. Here lies the rub. Bashers continue to use industrial specs which, as most consumers would be glad, are much more stringent than what carbon clothing users need nor even care about

activated-carbon is an extremely porous material with high ratios of surface area to unit weight. One pound of activated-carbon contains up to 100 acres of surface area!

activated-carbon has a particular affinity to organic materials such as volatile organic compounds or VOC’s. Human odor is composed of different gaseous molecules of VOC’s and other chemicals such as hydrogen sulfides, which are absorbed by activated-carbon.


www.chemvironcarbon.com Here is a company working in the industry using standards they must substantiate to their customers that cleanses the carbon to a degree they will be happy with. How would a company working in the industrial use of carbon look if they said...." While we could obtain a higher degree of regeneration using higher temperatures, we've found some degree of regeneration is obtainable at lower temperatures using less expensive machinery." Doubt their customers would like it too much.
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Unlike a common kitchen sponge, you can’t just leave it on the counter and let it dry out. In order to re-activate activated-carbon, it must undergo a process called Pyrolysis. To fully re-activate saturated activated-carbon, you must heat it to approximately 800 °C or 1,472 °F, in a controlled atmosphere of low oxygen concentration to reduce the possibility of combustion. Nobody selling it nor buying it is expecting "fully re-activated"


Those of you, whom use water filters or air filters in your homes, think about it. Why can’t you just boil your filters in hot water or throw them in the oven or microwave for a few minutes to re-activate the carbon filter media. You can’t; that’s why. You don’t own special multi million-dollar pyrolysis thermal regeneration equipment that produces enough heat to re-activate carbon. Therefore, you have to buy new filters every now and then. POOR analogy. First off, NOT ONE scent clothing manufacturer says to boil, bake, or microwave the clothing. Second, WEARING something is a little different than DRINKING it. Most users buy carbon clothing to WEAR, not to INGEST. And the cleansing needs between the 2 should be different

Re-activating carbon for industrial uses is big business. Type in the words “activated-carbon” in your favorite Internet search engine and you will see what I’m talking about here. In order to fully reactivate the activated-carbon in one of the many scent elimination garments on the market, you might as well just throw the garment in your campfire, because the extreme heat necessary to re-activate the carbon would likely destroy the garment anyway. SAYS IT ALL RIGHT THERE


The military actually uses activated-carbon suits as a kind of chemical protection garment, but they’re a single-use, disposable garment and not intended for multiple washings. Does this surprise anyone? Since when did the government get effecient? Or would even trying to re-use be effecient. I'm sure alot of you have seen those suits and they're not worth re-using. The carbon is like a powder inside the suit so when you wear it, it comes off all over you.

Here is something else you should consider before purchasing one of these products: activated-carbon’s adsorption effectiveness when used in an air filter application becomes greatly reduced when it is wet. So what happens when you sweat during those humid early season bow hunts? That’s right, your clothing gets wet and becomes even less effective. ONCE AGAIN, bad analogy. If you have problems with your sweat glands, or don't bathe regularly, carbon clothing probably isn't for you. As stated numerous times by numerous users, we don't ALWAYS wear it. Would we be wearing a hooded camo parka in 104 degree weather? Ridiculous



All sarcasm aside, I think many successful hunters who wear these special garments fail to recognize that they have been consciously paying closer attention to personal hygiene techniques before every hunt. RIIIIGGGHHHT. Thousands of satisfied hunters, who never bathed before nor harvested deer, now all of a sudden, with there new carbon clothing, have discovered the benefits of personal hygiene

You must understand that none of the success story articles that push these special garments are based on science studies. They are opinions; misinformed ones at that. WE MUST UNDERSTAND. WE MUST UNDERSTAND. Opinions? Are you kidding me? How would this guy know whether my experience in the field was a "misinformed opinion"? Let me understand this. Had several close incounters with deer at close ranges, downwind, in same scenario/location I've been numerous times but that is just a "misinformed opinion". Man, that's rich.


No one, to the best of my knowledge, has contracted a non-biased independent laboratory or university to demonstrate the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of this clothing. Exactly.



As stated earlier: This is just my opinion, but it’s one based on sound science, education and a realistic view of product marketing techniques. And once again, EXACTLY

Now you can form your own opinion. Good Hunting.

Biologist and environmentalist Michael Corrigan is an avid bow hunter and enjoys educating other bow hunters.

People who continually slam others just because they "think" they are smarter refuse to acknowledge the FACTS that: 1) the great majority of the ones WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT are 100% satisfied with its performace, 2) the great majority of the ones WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT do not think of it as some magic clothing that will prevent any detection from a deer's nose, 3) the great majority of the ones WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT use it in conjunction with other scent suppressing methods, 4) the great majority of the ones WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT have had numerous field experiences with and without using the clothing and are able to assimilate and educated guess as to its level of effectiveness, 5) the great majority of the ones WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT do not consider carbon clothing a necessity to hunt, only their personal preference, 6) 100% of the technical data used by those denegrating the clothing is data pertaining to industrial use of carbon, not data substantiating evidence that some "regeneration" is possible, 7) the fact of carbons absorbtion property is not in question.
To call people on TV "sell-outs" because they promote a product that has a satisfied users is ludicrous. Maybe they have ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCT and don't see it as a sell-out at all. I doubt too many people here can say they've done as much as Tom Miranda.
Play the wind? That would be great if I was stalking. Sitting in a stand I've had in place for months doesn't give much a choice. I try to set up multiple stands so I have a choice depending on wind but that doesn't always pan out. Here's a quote:

" I have said it many times before - and I will say it again. I do not believe a hunter can cover his human scent 100-percent. If the wind blows directly from you to a whitetail, mulie, elk or moose, the sharp-nosed animal will smell something suspicious. This is especially true if you are hunting on foot, perspiring and giving off more than average amounts of human body odor. However, in most cases, your scent can be managed around a tree stand or ground blind to allow effective bowhunting."

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"Perhaps the most exciting scientific scent innovation in recent years is the development of effective scent-blocking clothes. These garments incorporate activated carbon fibers to absorb human scent before it can exit the fabric.

Original Scent-Lok, Scent-Blocker and other makers' clothes are selling like hotcakes because they really work. Such duds are now available in lighter, thinner fabrics than ever before, and feature popular camo patterns. Typically popular fabrics are the ScentBlocker 3D Leafylite and ScentBlocker Ultralite, both from Robinson Labs. My own Super Slam Scent-Blocker Suit from Cabela's is also extremely popular with bowhunters.

Such a garment, when worn from head to toe can reduce the outflow of human scent molecules dramatically. I've tested scent-blocking garments around hundreds of deer, and these genuinely make a difference.

Whitetails in urban, suburban, and farmland areas are accustomed to smelling low-level human odor all the time. The deer that walks downwind from your ScentBlocker Suit probably can't tell for sure if someone walked past hours ago, if human scent is wafting from a distant house or car, or if a scent-blocked hunter is hovering nearby like a hawk after a meadow mouse. Regardless of what deer think, they seem less concerned about archers wearing high-tech carbon suits.

Modern scent strategies alone cannot make up for poor bowhunting habits. But when you combine scent management with good camouflage, deep knowledge of animal habits, and straight shooting, you will probably bring home the venison!"

Care to guess. That's from the ol' sell-out himself, Chuck Adams.

I, as well as several others I know who have used carbon clothing, have had nothing but positive experiences with it and will continue using it as part of our scent control. I will also say I have never paid a guide to set me up in a stand so I can shoot a deer.

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