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i recently went to a hunting and fishing show somewhere in NY, and some guy from a show on the outdoor channel gave a speech about some tactics he uses,he said,since baiting is illegal in NY, he bought fake apples and put apple scent on them,and said it worked great for attracting deer to bow range,i thought this was a great idea, and probly makes the DEC frown but its not baiting ;)

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Or you could just learn to hunt.

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If its legal where you're at, I'm all for someone doing it. I personally never liked baiting. I hunted over bait piles before when it was still legal everywhere in WI, I just didn't like the feeling of sitting over 50 lbs of corn waiting for a deer.

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Ditto

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Hope you didn't have to pay to listen to him speak.

I guess you could say it's the same as using a decoy or doe in rut but I'm just not in a PC mood today.

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Was this directed to me? Or to the guys who have to use fake apples and scent - if its towardsthem I agree 100%, if its me I'll have to whoop on ya!;)[8D]

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I set up a gravity feeder this last late winter and filled it all summer, but a gravity feeder can run a man broke in a hurry from the coons alone. I mainly did it cause or local DNR told me that the main thing next to genetics that helps a rack is how soon they recover from winter. So thats what I was trying to do. Could not fill it fast enough in the spring. But I hunt NW Ohio and you could call my entire county a bait pile. The area I hunt is about 40 acres, on the medium to small size of woods in my area. It has corn or beans on all four sides. The one corn field is so large I had to look with binoculars to see across it. Once the corn put onthe ears and the bean pods started to fill out, my 50# feeder lasted about six weeks before it needed filled, and I think birds and squirrels did all the eating. To much food around here for it to do anything during the season. I have a new 250# feeder that I plan on hanging up as soon as the ground thaws. I plan on filling it with Purina antler max, so I can help out the bucks antlers. The other thing I hope to accomplish is more deer in my general area. When in the spring I had six deer in the same pic I thought I was in heaven. Also hoping that more early spring food will help with a better fawn mortality rate.

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lol, Yea, it was directed right at you.lol. Look at the time of our posts,never even read your's before my went on the board.

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id do anything to make hunting easier, if someone said tie muffins to a tree and and throw pickels on the ground i would do it,
im not as lucky as some of you that have 100s of acres of private land they can scout all year and know the bucks entier life story and where hes going to be all day long.

srry for thinking of ways to slightly incrase my chances of no deer to MAYBE 1

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So bigger rack doesn't = smarter more mature deer?

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Lol, I know, was just trying to have a little fun. Normally the wireless connection here at school is rockin, but today I could go to the bathroom(#2) before a page would load. Your post wasnt there when i started to type or when the page actually loaded, lol. Pretty sad right now....

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ABarOfSoap, who is the sweet blond with the rack in your Avatar?:D:D

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also is it that crasy of an idea, some of youpeople use fake deer, pour pee all over the place, mock scrapes, grunts... ive even heard of people who make mock rubs...

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thats my mom

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You wish!;)

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I feel there is a difference between fake food and fake stimuli. Just my opinion obviously, but the fake stimuli are more aggresive tactics that take some skill in mastering the techniques to best use them. With food you just throw it in an area where there are deer or where you want the deer to go.

And whats up with the"you people" ???? ;)[8D]

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Another baiting thread that will go down the tubes because some people can't just let it go. Like every other baiting thread.......If it's LEGAL then no one should have a problem.

BUT, the guy talking about putting apple scent on fake apples sounds a little retarded to me.

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Danny Boy,

That's all that we are talking about.

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Chucky,

Thanks for clearing that up. ;)

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Not sure what you mean? Are you saying the size of the rack is how smart a deer is?

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This makes me laugh

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Glad you are easily entertained. I said I was not sure what he meant by what he said. Thought he may be saying that I was trying to make a young dumb deer with a big rack that would be magically easier to kill. But not sure if I was just reading into it and he was meaning something else. Was trying to play it out in a nice format as to not make it sound like a hostel question.

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I think he was getting at that generally, deer with large impressive racks are mature, smart deer. And that taking a mature buck, one that has survived and evaded many hunters is part of the goal, not shooting a young deer who was packed full of protien rich foods to make him a monarch at a young age. I'm sure he'll correct me if I misinterpreted his post, heck he could've just been trying to be sarcastic. :D

And yes, today I am very easily entertained. Its not even 1 o'clock and its been a looooong day. I'm ready for spring break - three more days!

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Buraburst, You have passed this with flying colors go to spring break early.

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See you boys (and girls) later! I'm getting the h*ll outta here! Wait class....at 1:15 today...sh*t!!!!!! Gotta stay!

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So is it possible to take a year and a half old deer and put a feeder out and pump him up to a massive 160 to 200 class deer?

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I sincerly apoligize didn't mean to get your thread off topic.

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I was at that show too, the speaker was Peter Fiduccia, the so called "Deer Doctor". Basically everything he talked about was common sense, and others just stupid like the one you mentioned. I thought the show was pretty good, but way to much fishing stuff. Did you see the 378 lb. buck, that thing was huge. I got a pic of me next to it that I will load later. What day did you go to the show? I went on Friday.

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Peter Fiduccia, This guy? That explains it all.



Here's one place he will feature on his show this year.It's in NY.

Hidden Valley has the answer to your trophy hunting dilemma. We offer all inclusive hunts in our three mile perimeter trophy managed area which is stocked with dozens of mature trophy whitetail bucks, fallow deer, elk, and rams. This is a very large area with diverse topography ranging from hardwood forests, thorn apple thickets, creeks, ravines, rolling hills, agricultural fields, goldenrod fields, swamps, and tag alder thickets. This is a very challenging hunt and as fair chase as it gets. The best part of this hunt is that you get this trophy hunter's paradise all to your self for the duration of your hunt.


Sounds really fair chase to me.

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Yep, somehow I cant picture this guy hunting w/o a heated blind, w/ cable, fridge, and lots of food.[8D]

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Heres a pic of the 378 lb. buck that was there. It was taken in SK. I shouldnt have standed in the way of half of the buck, but just for a comparison I'm 6'0. The pic doesnt do it justice.

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That's a pig.

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At what point is it that a deer becomes "smart, mature, elusive" and has been"evading" the hunter for many years. Cause what I am trying to do is increase the bucks mass in my little slice of the hunting pie/area. I have two spots that I can hunt, with very little acreage on them. I do not have a vast source of public areas close to where I live and so I have access to only small numbers of resident deer. I have a little eight pointer that I past on for the second year in a row. I am pretty sure it is the same deer cause his brow timeshave a character in them that is the same every year. I have this deer patterned well. Maybe next year when he is 4-1/2 and he is a little bigger like maybe 120 or 130 I will take him. But now that he is 4 1/2 is he suddenly "mature" "elusive" "smart" and a true warrior for the challenge? I see him as the same retarded deer that I first patterned at 2 1/2 age andnow I have decided totake him from 20' up in a tree. What I am trying to do is since the deer in my area are limited and I do not have access to massive hunting area to seek out a bigger deer heard, I would like to try and increase the quality of the deer I do have access to. Does what I say make sense or is it still seen as using aadvantage that is unfair?

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How many times did you have a chance to take him in the first year?
How many times did you have a chance to take him in the 2nd year?
How many times, last year?

I'm betting the number went down with each passing year (no pun intended). If it did (with all things equal....like how many times you hunted him, when you hunted him, etc.....)......then YES....he's becoming harder to kill. If it didn't go down.....I'd say you had an anomoly.

I hunt in a place with VERY little hunter pressure. I also keep trail cams out in the spring/summer to inventory the deer in my area. I see many deer on trail cam that I don't see when the season starts (with my eyes or anything else). The fact that I see less older deer makes it relatively easy for me to say they're harder to kill.

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please tell me u took a pic of that 1300 lb bear!!??
that bear was insnane, that guy was pushing him around like nothing lol

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btw, what food were these deer fed?

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Back to the original question, fake bait is illegal in Ontario.
We can bait deer, but most (including me) don't. But I've heard on the news about guys getting charged for using plastic water bottles painted yellow (fake corn) for waterfowl. If we aren't allowed to bait during a season we can't use fake bait.

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if i lived in ontario, i wouldent bait either