103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
 

This was posted on AT.com, and then zapped by the mods. Not sure if it has been posted here, but I found it prettyunethical myself, taking a 103yd shot with a relatively noisy bow, in windy conditions, on a moving deer. Sorry if it's already made it's round here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8MlzJDcOv8

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thats just stupid

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10.00 dollar bet on which mod zaps it here first.

I will take Greg/MO for 10.00

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If I'm not mistaken that's Pete Shepley from PSE, if so I've seen him shoot deer in the butt and some other crap on his show. If not I'm sorry.

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Has Greg been a mod long?

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WOW.....103yrds .. thats is stupid.

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So it's been zapped here too??? I thought it actually set up a decent debate over when is the right time to take a shot, and what is an ethical shot to take. Unfortunately, it's been zapped twice on AT. Why the "zapping???" Discussions over why shots like this may not be ethical may help newer archery hunters understand why they shouldn't take such shots.

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I can't be 100 percent sure, but it may have been "zapped" because of who originated the post an one of the mods over there that MAYBE did something he wasn't supposed to. There was a small argument about the originator of the post, who had very few posts and info on their profile. It was thought he was actually a PSE employee, but denied being such. However a mod, (a "chat" board mod I believe) posted IP information (a ton of it) of where the post actually originated, which was allegedly PSE HQ. This may or may not have been why, I don't know.

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It doesn't look like 100 yards in the video to me but I could be wrong. It's hard to tell but I would say it wasn't that far. Of course there is no way to prove it.

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That sight housing doesn't look big enough to hold both a 20 yard pin and a 100 yard pin.

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Humans are, for the most part, horrible at judging distances with the naked eye, especially without much for size references like the video.

Either way you look at it, its an unethical shot to take but it was one heckuva a goodshot though.

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Thx Charlie, my bad

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Looks more like 50 yards to me. For MuleDeer that's probably not uncommon.If the wind was at his back he may have been ok. With a crosswind or head onhe shouldn't have shot.

MC

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Regardless of whether it was 103yds, it was obviously out at least 50-60 or more yds.. It took a bit of time for the arrow to hit after the shot, surely an unethical shot, regardless of whether or not he hit it perfect and it died quickly, the odds are, even with the best bow shooter, that a bad shot is likely! He had no respect for the game that we true hunters put our hard earned money into managing and is glorifying it by putting it on video. Do you really think he would show the video if he had say hit the buck in the rump and it running of to never be found, maybe dying of a slow death? I think not, so do you think he's done it? Moderators should keep this here, but as an example of the type of "POO" that the ANTI's use against us to the public! I do not give him any credit for the shot, at a target, ok, but not that fine muley buck! A discrace!

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Thats the evils that comes with modern technology - you take the good with the bad.

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Well said, very good point. The byproducts(sp) of techonology aren't always good.

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The whole point of bowhunting is to get as close as possible to the quary. I understand with mule deer that taking a long shot is more than common but over a 100 yards is just stupid and unethical in my book.

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We "true hunters" just love the phrase.

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Certainly he wouldn't have shown a video with a poor hit, but that doesn't mean he didn't wound half a dozen deer trying to shoot that clip either. That is why EDITTING is so important in their business.

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I don't see that in the rules and regulations anywhere ?

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Looks like he killed it to me. I don't know his level of skill to be able to judge him. Byron Ferguson can shoot an aspirin in mid-air at 100 yds with a mirror held up and shooting the bow behind his back, after the arrow is deflected off of a bottle opener that just opened a bottle of coke and poured it in a glass; allwhile a hot supermodel sits on his lap. Well, I lied about the hot supermodel part.

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HCH, Byron will show how mnay times it takes him to make many of the shots he takes.

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I'll tell you what, I am not going to run broadside if front of him at 100 yds and give him one shot. My wife loves me and I wouldn't be coming home.

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Wrong- wrong no matter how you put it. If thats the guy from pse i lost all respect for him. That was total bullship. Rich

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Hardcore,
I agree, I wouldn't let that guy shoot at me from 200 yards away!

MC

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Me either MC. I know that Dan Evans, who invented the Trophy Taker drop away, practices regularlyat 100 yds. I have read that hecan hittight groups at this range and likes being able to do thisfor a followup shot, if the opportunity presents itself. Different people have different skill levels. Hell, some people have no business shooting a deer at 20 yds because of their skill level.

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That is why they make bows that shoot 350 fps........like it or not......right or wrong. You don't think we really need WSSM to shoot a deer do ya? They make cars and motorcycles that go 150 mph for a reason. There will always be a market for those who want to push the envelope.

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Hardcore,
I agree! Some people can shoot tight groups at long distances and yes they can kill at those distances. I still believe that every situation is different.And most of the time shouldn't be taken.I havea moviemy dad made for Ben Pearson back in the 60's. He shoots a Moose at 60 yards with a recurve loads another arrow and shoots it again at 70 yards. Both shots were perfect. Some guys just have talent and luck doesn't hurt either.

MC

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I have a hard time buying the distance, in a hard wind .... wind is so unpredictable ... plus the deer was moving ... coulda got a lucky shot, but I would be dead set against taking the shot under ANY circumstances ... but that's me

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Oh I agree this wasn't a good shot with the conditions. Even if it was only 40 yards. I really don't think it was a 103 yard shot. It didn't take the arrow very long to get there.

MC

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What a sad display of a "hunter", reguardless of his shooting skills.[:@]Like OHhntr said, "it's all in the editing". A 103yrd shot, I don't think so.;)

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I didnt say that its a rule, I said that bowhunting is fooling a deer into a close shot for a ethical kill, not shooting a deerat gun range with a bow. If he or anyone wants to take a shot like that, fine, but the next time you do you may not be so lucky.

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i think it was atleast 100 yards or more...time the arrow upon hearing the release to when you see the deer jump...deduct maybe 1 second (slow human reactions and the reaction of the deer) and your at about 1.4 or so...300 ft, 1.4 seconds..looks like a fast bow...should be about right...

as for taking the shot i would not have, but i know many people who can shoot that far and make decent groups...think everyone was way to quick to judge the person...unless you know him...as for me i don't and would probably give him benefit of the doubt..

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No, I don't think we were way to quick to judge at all. The guy took a LONG shot at a moving animal in WINDY conditions!!! Sure the shot we see on video worked out, but how many shots did he take to get that perfect shot??? Was it really 103 yds??? or was the tape slowed down to make the shot seem like it took longer to get there??? Lots of variables, but if he took a 103yd shot at a moving animal in those windy conditions (look at the brush moving, and listen to the sound byte) he's got some ethics issues, or doesn't respect the animal.

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I agree

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EDITED![8D]

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I've watched target shooters take longer shots than 100 yards with slower bows and the arrows is on target in a blink or even less time and accurate. Now why is that so different than this. It doesn't surprise me at all.

On the other hand that sure sounds like and looks like Ole Pete Shepleyowner of PSE to me. And what TV show isn't edited. Get real.

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Think about it, 100 yrds is end zone to end zone on a football field[&:]then add 3 more:D.

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Hmm ethical kill you say. He shot once, and killed the deer he was aiming at. I didn't see the question posed of would you do this? Most wouldn't, but he did and was obviously successful. Who are we to judge? Sure you can always say how many times did he miss or wound game?

Ask this, how many of "our" successful hunters from this year or any given year wound game on "more ethical" shots. I can guarantee most don't post about the bad hits. They know the bashing that would come.

I guess I'm just not as quick to say it was a bad shot..the result says differently.

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LOL, GR8!! I DID!! And I took my licks (I still remember the date, BTW). If I wound one next time out I'll post it. It won't be from that distance, though;).

BTW....I'm still crazy 'bout you.....