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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Mark, "get real" is a bit much, don't you think? I realize everything gets edited, I'm saying that's how it"looks" that far away, nothing more.
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Wrong- wrong no matter how you put it. If thats the guy from pse i lost all respect for him. That was total bullship. Rich What a sad display of a "hunter", reguardless of his shooting skills.[:@] didnt say that its a rule, I said that bowhunting is fooling a deer into a close shot for a ethical kill, not shooting a deerat gun range with a bow. If he or anyone wants to take a shot like that, fine, but the next time you do you may not be so lucky. I'm curious where it says its about getting close ? I mean ........ why have a bow that shoots flat and 350 fps and pins out to 70 yards, why even MAKE That stuff ....... if its a 25 yard and closer game ? hmmmmmmmmm ? he's got some ethics issues, or doesn't respect the animal. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T Wrong- wrong no matter how you put it. If thats the guy from pse i lost all respect for him. That was total bullship. Rich What a sad display of a "hunter", reguardless of his shooting skills.[:@] didnt say that its a rule, I said that bowhunting is fooling a deer into a close shot for a ethical kill, not shooting a deerat gun range with a bow. If he or anyone wants to take a shot like that, fine, but the next time you do you may not be so lucky. I'm curious where it says its about getting close ? I mean ........ why have a bow that shoots flat and 350 fps and pins out to 70 yards, why even MAKE That stuff ....... if its a 25 yard and closer game ? hmmmmmmmmm ? he's got some ethics issues, or doesn't respect the animal. The ends DO NOT justify the means ..... [:-] |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Buster, your easily convinced, aren't you?:D
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
I'm saying if it is edited and we all say it was then the title says "first kill with X bow" then is it pure advertising andis it real? And not staged? I questionwhen you here someone say 103 103 yards and a pause and cutway to Pete drawing back his bow and taking a shot. It's advertising and nothing more. Must TV shows are reenactments unless you see the shot and the hit in one frame. Real or not it's to sell a product(s). This little videolooks good and nothing more and the shot might have been 103 or might have been 13,that's my take of it.
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Buster. ... just curious as to why you think 100 yard shot in a high wind on a moving deer is NOT a bad idea??? Second, I can't make that shot, not right now. He obviously thought he could. Third, he DID make the shot, didn't he ? If you think you can make the shot, if you're capable of making the shot, and if the shot was taken and made ......... how does that = bad shot ? The ends DO NOT justify the means ..... [:-] I finished a Fred Bear field notes kind of book recently. The man was a heck of a shot - and he missed, and he missed often. He took shots I've been conditioned to believe were bad shots. He took shots I've been conditioned to beleive were "unethical" and "bad". He made some shots, he missed some - he was a bowhunter, nothing more, nothing less when afield. I think thats been lost somewhat. Nobody likes to wound animals, but the Fact remains, some "good" shots go bad, some "bad" shots end up with a dead animal ......... and that means all we really have are shots, doesn't it ? I expect each and every bowhunter to take shots they think they can make and are capable of making. This isn't a law, its not a rule - its what I expect of myself, my hunting partners and everyone else. Thats it. Simple. Easy. I chapped a guy a bit recently on him taking a neck shot on a buck. I didn't tell him it was a "bad" shot........ he thought he could make it, and he did. What I told him was that it wasn't a high percentage shot, taking them all the time would lead to wounded animals, I was pretty confident in saying that. Same for this guy. 103 yard shots will not be 100% kill shots all the time. Fred Bear taking a 65 yard shot at a world record sheep facing him, and shooting half drawn isn't high success either - but they made those shots because at the time, they thought they could. 'nuff said |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T Buster. ... just curious as to why you think 100 yard shot in a high wind on a moving deer is NOT a bad idea??? Second, I can't make that shot, not right now. He obviously thought he could. Third, he DID make the shot, didn't he ? If you think you can make the shot, if you're capable of making the shot, and if the shot was taken and made ......... how does that = bad shot ? The ends DO NOT justify the means ..... [:-] I finished a Fred Bear field notes kind of book recently. The man was a heck of a shot - and he missed, and he missed often. He took shots I've been conditioned to believe were bad shots. He took shots I've been conditioned to beleive were "unethical" and "bad". He made some shots, he missed some - he was a bowhunter, nothing more, nothing less when afield. I think thats been lost somewhat. Nobody likes to wound animals, but the Fact remains, some "good" shots go bad, some "bad" shots end up with a dead animal ......... and that means all we really have are shots, doesn't it ? I expect each and every bowhunter to take shots they think they can make and are capable of making. This isn't a law, its not a rule - its what I expect of myself, my hunting partners and everyone else. Thats it. Simple. Easy. I chapped a guy a bit recently on him taking a neck shot on a buck. I didn't tell him it was a "bad" shot........ he thought he could make it, and he did. What I told him was that it wasn't a high percentage shot, taking them all the time would lead to wounded animals, I was pretty confident in saying that. Same for this guy. 103 yard shots will not be 100% kill shots all the time. Fred Bear taking a 65 yard shot at a world record sheep facing him, and shooting half drawn isn't high success either - but they made those shots because at the time, they thought they could. 'nuff said Now. ..... nuff said ;) |
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Yeah, well ..... my daddy could beat up your daddy [:-] |
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ORIGINAL: Buster T Yeah, well ..... my daddy could beat up your daddy [:-] |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Happy endings make me cry.:D:D:D
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Grandviewer I'm saying if it is edited and we all say it was then the title says "first kill with X bow" then is it pure advertising andis it real? And not staged? I questionwhen you here someone say 103 103 yards and a pause and cutway to Pete drawing back his bow and taking a shot. It's advertising and nothing more. Must TV shows are reenactments unless you see the shot and the hit in one frame. Real or not it's to sell a product(s). This little videolooks good and nothing more and the shot might have been 103 or might have been 13,that's my take of it. That being said I think Grandviewer has nailed it. If you guys can't see that this is simply part of PSE's on going campaign to promote there new "speed bow"you need to pull your heads out. I also think this video was edited a lot! The truth is we have no idea how far that shot was, but I can say this is certain......there area lot of young hunters out there thinking to themselves "Hey ifI buy that bow I can make them 100yd shots too" and THAT'S the realsad part of this.:( |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
I'll tell you what, I am not going to run broadside if front of him at 100 yds and give him one shot. My wife loves me and I wouldn't be coming home. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
I am not going to comment on whether it is ethical or not,that is his buisness and not mine.
BUT,the video is definately edited(which most are).He is in no way pulling back to take a 100 yard shot.You aim higher than he is when shooting that far,I have done it many times.Even at 350 fps. So it is evident to me it is just a promotional stunt and he may never have even come close to taking a 100 yard shot,which the deer doesn't look that far to me but who knows with video equipment. My last point or question really.Am I the only one who thinks he made a bad shot? Usually when a deer kicks up in the back,like this one did,they were gut shot.It might be because it was slightly angled away and he had to shoot back to make it but it sure looked like a gut shot to me.:eek: |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: TFOX My last point or question really.Am I the only one who thinks he made a bad shot? Usually when a deer kicks up in the back,like this one did,they were gut shot.It might be because it was slightly angled away and he had to shoot back to make it but it sure looked like a gut shot to me.:eek: |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
I have never had one kick when shot in the heart but the majority of my shots are double lungers.[8D]
Ihave seen several shot with a gun in the guts that kicked like this. You are definately right about them humping up in the midlle. Maybe you are right.Maybe it was a heart shot. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: TFOX . BUT,the video is definately edited(which most are).He is in no way pulling back to take a 100 yard shot.You aim higher than he is when shooting that far,I have done it many times.Even at 350 fps. So it is evident to me it is just a promotional stunt and he may never have even come close to taking a 100 yard shot,which the deer doesn't look that far to me but who knows with video equipment. Besides that ,WHO has a 100 yrd pin set on any hunt. He would have had to practice that shot a ton to make it , and that bow is supposed to be new. I don't think he could have had time to get that comfortable w/ the bow to take a 100 yarder on the fly. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
I wouldnt bet against Petey on a 100 yarder, but this was an edit folks. :)
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: BigJ12 I'm not going to comment on if this shot is ethical or not only to say: To some a 100 yard shot is very easy and is done all the time. That being said I think Grandviewer has nailed it. If you guys can't see that this is simply part of PSE's on going campaign to promote there new "speed bow"you need to pull your heads out. I also think this video was edited a lot! The truth is we have no idea how far that shot was, but I can say this is certain......there area lot of young hunters out there thinking to themselves "Hey ifI buy that bow I can make them 100yd shots too" and THAT'S the realsad part of this. :( Lots of iffy things about the video, I just know that on top of the fact that it seems like an unethical shot to be attempting, I am amazed that a bow with such a short brace-height is the bow one would choose to be out attempting long shots like that, as the forgiveness rating on that thing has got to be LOW!!!! |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
The truth is we have no idea how far that shot was, but I can say this is certain......there area lot of young hunters out there thinking to themselves "Hey ifI buy that bow I can make them 100yd shots too" and THAT'S the realsad part of this. :( How many pins comes with your favorite site ? How fast is your bow ? How light are your carbons ? FLYS LIKE FIELD POINTS _ how often is that used to market a product ? Compound are designed and markets around SPEED and ACCURACY. Also, you need look no further than most posts on western forums and western big game hunts where people think they have to shoot farther becuase they're "out west" - thats a huge misconception. no, the whole drive of the compound industry is to create bows that shoot faster, flatter, with less practice than they use to. Quiet has become the fad of late too. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Has anyone seen the old footage of Ben Pearson shooting the Javelina at what they say on the movie is 3 city blocks away? He was up on the cliff and the Javelina is way down in the draw. And he smokes it!!
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103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Absolute BULL. Many of the best in the world couldn't even do that. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: MC Bowhunter Has anyone seen the old footage of Ben Pearson shooting the Javelina at what they say on the movie is 3 city blocks away? He was up on the cliff and the Javelina is way down in the draw. And he smokes it!! MC To me, that shot is a high riskshot, making it unethicalIMO, but I remember shotgunning for deer as a kid, and before OHIO had a 3 slug limit, I carried a POLICE ISSUED Riot gun with a 20" slugbarrel that held 8 slugs, and I'd fire all8 if I got an opportunity, because that was how the "old-timers" I hunted withhunted. I've given up gunhunting for deer, and solelybowhunt now, but if I did still gunhunt for deer, I'd carry a single shot,as the first shot is usually the one that matters the most anyhow. It's not about the feat of shooting 103yds, itis about respecting the animal and taking an ethical shot infor the conditions. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Well it was Ben Pearson so probably not many. And they didn't have the filming equipment like we have now days. Most of those old films are pretty much how it happened.
My father is one of the legends. But he didn't take bad shots. He knew his ability. And made some great shots on animals out to 70 yards. If things weren't right due to conditions or whatever. He didn't shoot. These guys had respect for the animal. They also may have been a lot better then most of us when it comes to archery and hunting. And they did it with a recurve. I do agree with you ethical statement though. But someone had to try it sooner or later to start the learning process on what's a good shot and what isn't. These guys didn't have the resources like we do now days. MC |
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I don't even believe it's really 103yds. Best I can tell is that mulie reacts to the impact of the arrow in just about 1 second....the arrow is released at the 29 second mark and the deer jumps at 30 seconds.
Someone smarter than me needs to figure out what speed that arrow would need to travel to go 100yds in about 1 second. When the camera pans back, it appears to be more like 50yds or so. |
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I agree
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ORIGINAL: Primitive Weapon Someone smarter than me needs to figure out what speed that arrow would need to travel to go 100yds in about 1 second. However, an arrow that leaves a bow at 300 feet per second will not still be traveling that fast downrange at 300 feet. I would bet that in order for an arrow to cover 300 feet in 1 second it would need to be traveling at 400+ fps because it is going to start slowing down as soon as it leaves the bow. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: MC Bowhunter Well it was Ben Pearson so probably not many. And they didn't have the filming equipment like we have now days. Most of those old films are pretty much how it happened. My father is one of the legends. But he didn't take bad shots. He knew his ability. And made some great shots on animals out to 70 yards. If things weren't right due to conditions or whatever. He didn't shoot. These guys had respect for the animal. They also may have been a lot better then most of us when it comes to archery and hunting. And they did it with a recurve. I do agree with you ethical statement though. But someone had to try it sooner or later to start the learning process on what's a good shot and what isn't. These guys didn't have the resources like we do now days. MC |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
Doug,
I was over at his house the other day and saw a copy of it. Looks like it might be pretty good. Read the article in the latest Peterson's about his bout with cancer during last deer season. It will open your eyes. For someone who has been able to go on many hunting trips through out every deer season. Then all of a sudden not be able to do what you love to do sucks. It was a hard season for him. I'm not looking forward to getting older! MC |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T The truth is we have no idea how far that shot was, but I can say this is certain......there area lot of young hunters out there thinking to themselves "Hey ifI buy that bow I can make them 100yd shots too" and THAT'S the realsad part of this. :( How many pins comes with your favorite site ? How fast is your bow ? How light are your carbons ? FLYS LIKE FIELD POINTS _ how often is that used to market a product ? Compound are designed and markets around SPEED and ACCURACY. Also, you need look no further than most posts on western forums and western big game hunts where people think they have to shoot farther becuase they're "out west" - thats a huge misconception. no, the whole drive of the compound industry is to create bows that shoot faster, flatter, with less practice than they use to. Quiet has become the fad of late too. I completely agree with you, that is exactly what the compound bow designersmanufacturers andretailers want...a flat, fast bow that can ethically kill out to 100yds and beyond.I don't have a problem with that at all as long as the bow is...........in the right hands. This was my point all along. I could care less about the actual distance of that shot hey, the guy put a killing shot on that deer, can't argue with that. If that was Byron Ferguson shooting nobody would have said a thing....why? Because he can make those shots just like you and I make 20 yard shots. I was just trying to let everyone know that all that video was for, was to try to get some un-informed, un-knowning newbie bow hunter to buy that bow thinking it would allow them to shoot and kill deer at 100+ yards. That to me is way more unethical than the guy in the video making the shot. You want to show the world your bow is the fastest thing around, fine promote in a way that most bow hunters can relate. Say it will allow you to use only one pin for normal nunting ranges, say it will help with slight yardage miss judgements in normal (30yds and under) hunting ranges, hell say you can thumb you nose at the BowTech guys and tell them you have the fastet bow in town. Just don't go out and try to make everyone believe this thing will allow you to start shooting deer at 100 yards......Irresponsible is what it is![:@] |
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BigJ12 enjoy it while you can :D
I expect bowhunters to take shots they full well know they can make - THAT is what makes an ethical hunter, isn't it ? If you can make the shot, take it. He did, he made it. Yes - its qutie simply as easy as that. If anyone wants to question it ? Hey, he was out there to kill an animal, and he did it. 2 yards, 103 yards, crosswind, no wind .......... he had a fricking compound that could make the shot, he was fully capable of making it and he did it. Use to, I'd probably have chapped him for it. No longer ........ it was his shot, he took it. Leave it at that. Its not the highest % shot in the world in my book, but he's 1 for 1 to my knowledge,shooting 100% success rate. Hard to argue that, isn't it ? |
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that arrow doesnt even have a broadhead on it.. lol the whole thing is fake i think
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T BigJ12 enjoy it while you can :D I expect bowhunters to take shots they full well know they can make - THAT is what makes an ethical hunter, isn't it ? If you can make the shot, take it. He did, he made it. Yes - its qutie simply as easy as that. If anyone wants to question it ? Hey, he was out there to kill an animal, and he did it. 2 yards, 103 yards, crosswind, no wind .......... he had a fricking compound that could make the shot, he was fully capable of making it and he did it. Use to, I'd probably have chapped him for it. No longer ........ it was his shot, he took it. Leave it at that. Its not the highest % shot in the world in my book, but he's 1 for 1 to my knowledge,shooting 100% success rate. Hard to argue that, isn't it ? What I didn't likewas the overtone of the whole "video" in thatthey would like everyone to believe that if you buy thatBOWyou toocan make thatshot when in reality it's the archer who makes the shot. All you need to do is listen to the last lines when the guy holding the arrow says "The X-force did the job" It is funny though hearing the archer say"He didn't gofar with that arrow in him.....that's abig broadhead" Yet when he is drawing back the bow for the shot I don't ANY broadhead at all.:eek: Again, it's just a very sad way to try andpublicize a bow. |
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Thats a Looonnng way, even for a great shot, on a calm day!
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looks like a mechanical broadhead to me ... so yeah, it might have been a big cutting diameter.
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RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T looks like a mechanical broadhead to me ... so yeah, it might have been a big cutting diameter. That was just a side note to what I was saying anyway. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: BigJ12 ORIGINAL: Buster T BigJ12 enjoy it while you can :D I expect bowhunters to take shots they full well know they can make - THAT is what makes an ethical hunter, isn't it ? If you can make the shot, take it. He did, he made it. Yes - its qutie simply as easy as that. If anyone wants to question it ? Hey, he was out there to kill an animal, and he did it. 2 yards, 103 yards, crosswind, no wind .......... he had a fricking compound that could make the shot, he was fully capable of making it and he did it. Use to, I'd probably have chapped him for it. No longer ........ it was his shot, he took it. Leave it at that. Its not the highest % shot in the world in my book, but he's 1 for 1 to my knowledge,shooting 100% success rate. Hard to argue that, isn't it ? What I didn't likewas the overtone of the whole "video" in thatthey would like everyone to believe that if you buy thatBOWyou toocan make thatshot when in reality it's the archer who makes the shot. All you need to do is listen to the last lines when the guy holding the arrow says "The X-force did the job" It is funny though hearing the archer say"He didn't gofar with that arrow in him.....that's abig broadhead" Yet when he is drawing back the bow for the shot I don't ANY broadhead at all.:eek: Again, it's just a very sad way to try andpublicize a bow. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: TFOX My last point or question really.Am I the only one who thinks he made a bad shot? Usually when a deer kicks up in the back,like this one did,they were gut shot.It might be because it was slightly angled away and he had to shoot back to make it but it sure looked like a gut shot to me.:eek: |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: MC Bowhunter Doug, I was over at his house the other day and saw a copy of it. Looks like it might be pretty good. Read the article in the latest Peterson's about his bout with cancer during last deer season. It will open your eyes. For someone who has been able to go on many hunting trips through out every deer season. Then all of a sudden not be able to do what you love to do sucks. It was a hard season for him. I'm not looking forward to getting older! MC Darrall, As a nurse, I see all too much of it. Often times you see things that make you think "Life really isn't fair!!!" I saw the article, a humbling thing, that's for sure. It makes us appreciate everyday we have even more. The book sounds like a must have, I need to see if I can get a copy. |
RE: 103yd with Bow & Arrow in the wind??
ORIGINAL: Buster T ...2 yards, 103 yards, crosswind, no wind .......... he had a fricking compound that could make the shot, he was fully capable of making it and he did it. Use to, I'd probably have chapped him for it. No longer ........ it was his shot, he took it. Leave it at that. Its not the highest % shot in the world in my book, but he's 1 for 1 to my knowledge,shooting 100% success rate. Hard to argue that, isn't it ? Even my wife realizes that was an extremely low % shot and should never have been taken. |
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ORIGINAL: bowtech die hard ORIGINAL: TFOX My last point or question really.Am I the only one who thinks he made a bad shot? Usually when a deer kicks up in the back,like this one did,they were gut shot.It might be because it was slightly angled away and he had to shoot back to make it but it sure looked like a gut shot to me.:eek: Most all my deer have been double lung and I have NEVER had one kick like this.I also don't recall seeing many on video doing it either tha I knew were double lung.Not saying you are not right,just saying it hasn't been my experience. no way man. You see a deer kick out like that 99% of the time it's lungs. |
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