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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
Dan, the reasonI am probably in favor of socialized medicine is because I don't use healthcare or go to the Dr. and poor Dr. care as you state, wouldn't affect me.It would put $6000 a year back in my wallet. Of course, I am not in favor of more taxes to fund this, just fund it with the foreign aid $$.
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
yes i vote i wish there was a candidate that i could believe in . it seems we always have crappy choices
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: nodog Well PreacherTony I do believe this is the wrong forum for this, but IMO it is you who are wrong. The people voted for a king like themselves, Saul fit the bill.God gave them what they voted for. David was not, but pressed into service. The people never said give us David in fact the people tried to kill him like many revolutionaries (remind you of anybody. If it does that, IMO, is the proper use of this passage) I also don't believe the story was given to prove anything about voting,so in my estimation it is you who are taking the scriptures out of context as well as (voting or not) being something you have a hard time staying on topic about. Once again I say get educated with some history and in this case that would be with early church history and in particular their views on voting for an earthly leader. You could start with the amish view. It has changed little. The history of voting in this country would be good to read at the same time. If you then presented a case from these findingsfor voting over not voting, I'dbe more inclined to listen. As it is, you remind me of the media. Same tactics. Fear!I turned them off a long time ago and found, I could think for myself. Stopped attending any organized "Church" as well. Just couldn't see any difference in the too. I see things haven't changed. Church meetings where people voted were just as ugly an affair (just to keep this on topic):D And just to keep this whole subject at least for my part a bowhunting topic, the history of the times of Carthage have some great bowhunting stories.:DOne about the huge packs of wolves that filled the land. :D(might as well piss of another crowd). |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter ORIGINAL: GMMAT I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill. But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government. I am a personel trainer and I see it everyday. I help a guy loose 150 lbs, and guess what all his medical problems went away. My wife and I stick to a strick diet, no persevatives, no MSG's. I have not been to a doctor in 15 years. If ford required their employees to work out 30 mins a day 5 days a week; they would cut their health care cost by half. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter Dan, the reasonI am probably in favor of socialized medicine is because I don't use healthcare or go to the Dr. and poor Dr. care as you state, wouldn't affect me.It would put $6000 a year back in my wallet. Of course, I am not in favor of more taxes to fund this, just fund it with the foreign aid $$. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter Dan, the reasonI am probably in favor of socialized medicine is because I don't use healthcare or go to the Dr. and poor Dr. care as you state, wouldn't affect me.It would put $6000 a year back in my wallet. Of course, I am not in favor of more taxes to fund this, just fund it with the foreign aid $$. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
$500 a month is a hunting trip.[:@]
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter My bill was $1100 for my ankle. At $500 a month for our family B/C B/Splan,this is $6000 a year X 6 years since my last Dr. visit. That is $36,000 in medical insurance not to mention I have a deductible of$200 a year that I pay 1st on my ankle. So, if I just skipped my insurance, I have $35,000 in my pocket. Now you know why I am ready for free medicine and piss on the foreigners. Until you have something really bad happen.;) I'll show you the bullet hole in my arm and then the $70,000 bill that went with it. Then I'll tell you how happy I am to have private insurance.:D |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
YUP, get a real illness to come by and your $6,000 medical insurance cost is nothing. Would you like me to sit down and add up all the cost for my wife's last 10 months of her life? I'll start with the first bill from the oncologist, $20,000. Throw in $4,000 catscans etc etc etc on the side. She saw him or the radiologist for 10 months. They'd own your car, your home and anything else you have, and the doctor would still have his ski place in BeaverCreek. Or, they'd have told you there's nothing to do and please go away. My wife was 2 months from death when they diagnosed her. We needed the extra 8 or 9 months as a family. It was wonderful. Medical insurance cost were worth it.
And you people that have all these lame excuses for not voting. Unbelievable. You have no right to beesch about anything. You deserve what you get. The politicians arenot the problem, you are. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: davidmil YUP, get a real illness to come by and your $6,000 medical insurance cost is nothing. Would you like me to sit down and add up all the cost for my wife's last 10 months of her life? I'll start with the first bill from the oncologist, $20,000. Throw in $4,000 catscans etc etc etc on the side. She saw him or the radiologist for 10 months. They'd own your car, your home and anything else you have, and the doctor would still have his ski place in BeaverCreek. Or, they'd have told you there's nothing to do and please go away. My wife was 2 months from death when they diagnosed her. We needed the extra 8 or 9 months as a family. It was wonderful. Medical insurance cost were worth it. And you people that have all these lame excuses for not voting. Unbelievable. You have no right to beesch about anything. You deserve what you get. The politicians arenot the problem, you are. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
How about those that haven't voted ....c'mon, you don't need to post anything ... no one will no how you voted aunless you want them too
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
Absolutely I do.
My opinion is this: If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about anything. I know alot of armchair politicians, that whine about everything...yet they don't vote ever. Incredible. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
ORIGINAL: davidmil And you people that have all these lame excuses for not voting. Unbelievable. You have no right to beesch about anything. You deserve what you get. The politicians arenot the problem, you are. Rights to beesch? Last I check no one was exempt from paying tax's if they don't vote or various other mandated issues. An educated voter was one of the things this country tried to ensure would be the case. Today the uneducated is seen as educated just because they vote. And history has given plenty of examples of how easy it is to manipulate them. Welfare is nothing new and it has been used in the past to buy voters. Are the welfare lines growing? How about those who just received a minimum age increase? Freedom is being voted away at a rapid rate by these debtors. We already have health care provided free for them. Another reason I left the church Tony, is because I had no longer a desire to play the part of the accuser of men. Don't use the "daddy" thing again. It's the equivalent of taking someone up to a high place and telling them to jump to prove who their Father is. As for the David thing, he came with a disclaimer "the Spirit of God entered him and never left". David was just a man God used to tell man what His Son would be like when He came, God killed the giant. Saul was just a man God used to tell man why they needed a savior among other things related to His Son's coming. IMO the only 2 reasons the bible was given and to use it other wise is to use it out of context except for speculation. Man needs a savior and Jesus is that savior is why it was given and from being to end and, if used for these purposes, will never contradict it's self. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
I vote. I'm a Card carry'in member of the GOP!!
(that's "Grand Ole Party" for you guys in Rio Linda) Oh, and the GOP is the Republican Party, our conservative voice in this great nation. Not as conservative as I'd like, but it's the best thing we got going right now! Trae |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
First of all, I think that it is very irresposible to vote for parties. I myself am registered as a democrat, but have very moderate tendencies. Why would you vote for the party that "best represents your values", which I'm sure mean heavy christian, when that party brings us congressmen who are involved in child pornography, administrations that cater to big oil, and a president's agenda that sends thousands of americans to die in a foriegn county so that he can try to finish what hisfather couldn't in the early 90's. Iwould not agree thatGeorge Bush isagreat president, but I do however support him. What do I mean by support? I mean that I do not sit around hoping that he makes a mistake. I pray every night thatthis country be led into better things, and that gooddecisions be made. With that being said,the current administration have made some good decisions, but they have also made some bad decisions. Andinthis case, the good decisions have been outweighed by the bad decisions. SoRepublicans, nexttime you feel like calling aDemocrat a "liberal" or "unamerican",remember that everyone in this county is an American, and have just as much right to opinions as you do, even if they don't agree with what you believe.And Democrats, remember that youdon't have to agree with your government, but support it, supportAmerica,that is what makes you a trueAmerican. And everyone remember, vote for the person, not the party. God is neither a Democrat or Republican!
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
What we need is a third party!!! To represent what 70% of all Americans really believe; in other words a truly representative government!
Bo |
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Thanks Dan. Glad you been thinking of me, 'cause if Hillary gets in I need a job up there running your Bear Camps and will learn all about Canada.:DI don't know what the answer to Americas' high priced healthcare. Maybe instead of it being socialized medicine in America, we just keep it private like it is, and the tax $$that we send in foreignaid is used to pay for every Americans insurance premium;)I could also just pay my own premium easily ifmy earnings weren't taxed so damn high and given to foreign countries in aid.
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RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
Socialized medicine is a loser. Period. Think about going to a place like your driver's license office or the post office to get an appendectomy. No thanks. I'd rather pay a little (or, OK...a LOT) more and have some peace of mind. You take away a Dr.'s incetive to excel ($$).....and you'll get less-than the cream of the crop entering that profession. Why would they?????
We do need to stop looking at stomach stapling and liposuction as dietary aids and start taking our health more seriously. |
RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
We do need to stop looking at stomach stapling and liposuction as dietary aids and start taking our health more seriously. |
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