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TeeJay 01-26-2007 04:04 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Z, I thought you said Hillary would get your vote. Sorry I didnt see the "no". My apologies! Germ, wasnt Tipper Gore behind getting trapping banned in AZ? What would have Gore done after 911? Give them a big ol "You better not do that again or else" pfft Al Gore please!

Austin/WI 01-26-2007 04:12 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
I vote, I missed the last local elections, but try to vote on every election I can. It's a not only a right buta gift.

Fieldmouse 01-26-2007 04:41 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: Germ

If Al Gore had Won in 2000

We would not have 3000+ dead soldiers in Iraq

We would have eletric cars

Global warming would be solved

Al was one of the few who spoke up against going into Iraq, he got beat up pretty bad. He is not as left on guns and hunting as he is made out to be. I would vote for the man, I am serious;)

Big oil runs this country, not our goverment[8D]
Are you drinking koolaid? Simply put Gas= energy and we use a whole bunch of it. Electricity = energy and we run at 90% every day of the year. How do you think we can double our output,Just aflip of a switch? Number 2, electric cars are very dirty. You think just because everyday use doesn't polute but what about 1 year from now when you need to replace all of the batteries? That'snasty hazardous waste my friend. Follow the money. Humans being a cause of global warming is false and all you need to do is follow the money.

split brows 01-26-2007 05:07 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Yea, I vote, and I normally vote Republican even though I belong to a labor union, I just will not stoop and vote for a liberal, and that seems to be what the Democrats wanna keep throwin at us to vote for. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that if the far left took over our government, our rights and the things everyone on this forum love to do would be in jeopardy. JMHO

PreacherTony 01-26-2007 05:34 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
I wonder why folks wouldn't vote .... there are5 thatpicked they wouldn't .... maybe I missed why not.....[&:]

PABuck_HNTR 01-26-2007 06:06 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
I never miss my rightto vote

hatchet jack 01-26-2007 06:15 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
YOU BET I VOTE!

Hatchet Jack

nodog 01-26-2007 07:12 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
If your counting, no I do not. Your assumption that the bad people will take over if I don't is absurd. From where I'm sitting there is no difference in either party and I have no desire to stick up for either. Here in Ohio there are more democrats who support a sportsman than their are republicans, doesn't say anything worth saying. The education of the people is where victory will be found. Your answer is for an idiot to vote. Voting is what you advocate isn't it?

Your deal is exactly what I hate, the use of fear to motivate people to act a certain way. I refuse to respond to such supplications and unfortunately that is the modus operandi of the powers that be today. I believe, based on history that is a pile of s*** and will led to the fall of this great nation as it has of past great nations. I really don't see us doing anything different than any others that have gone before us.

Anyone who cares, read books written by a great American, Clayton Cramer.

Tell me some thing, if everyone voted and the out come was the same, what would you blame it on then?

Anyone who wants my vote had better not try and convince to vote for them based on how much worse their opponent might be. Know any politician who doesn't operate this way? I don't.

Ever ask yourself this question, could not voting save this great nation? We are nothing new and many have come and gone before us. Cartage fell because of a vote. At it's time it was THE super power. Marched right up to Rome's door and terrorized it. Led by one kick ass general. His own country, through the vote of the paid off poor betrayed him. 8 years later (if I recall) it fell to Rome never to rise again. It's greatgeneral was called back by the basta*** and asked to protect it. Proving his greatness he returned because of the patriotism instilled in him by his father. The people who were voted into power had already wasted the country beyond salvation and he failed in his efforts, retreating to another country still engaged in fighting off the roman yoke. It failed as well and instead of surrendering he took his own life. Well over 2000 years later military leaders still study his tactics.Carthage was also ruled by only 2 political parties much like ours. A great deal like ours. It was though the gift of welfare that the poor, the largest voting block of the country, gave away it's existance. Yes, even then, it was through the vote that people were put into power and the masses were bought and paid for byboth parties.

Get educated before you (the message) come on here pushing that "your unamerican if you don't vote" crap. And for Peters sake, the last election just ended, give us at least a years break.

Don't take anything I've said personally, it's the idea, philosophy, mantra that I have a problem with. I'm sure your a swell guy. Your a hunter after all.

PreacherTony 01-26-2007 07:35 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: nodog

If your counting, no I do not. Your assumption that the bad people will take over if I don't is absurd. From where I'm sitting there is no difference in either party and I have no desire to stick up for either. Here in Ohio there are more democrats who support a sportsman than their are republicans, doesn't say anything worth saying. The education of the people is where victory will be found. Your answer is for an idiot to vote. Voting is what you advocate isn't it?

Your deal is exactly what I hate, the use of fear to motivate people to act a certain way. I refuse to respond to such supplications and unfortunately that is the modus operandi of the powers that be today. I believe, based on history that is a pile of s*** and will led to the fall of this great nation as it has of past great nations. I really don't see us doing anything different than any others that have gone before us.

Anyone who cares, read books written by a great American, Clayton Cramer.

Tell me some thing, if everyone voted and the out come was the same, what would you blame it on then?

Anyone who wants my vote had better not try and convince to vote for them based on how much worse their opponent might be. Know any politician who doesn't operate this way? I don't.

Ever ask yourself this question, could not voting save this great nation? We are nothing new and many have come and gone before us. Cartage fell because of a vote. At it's time it was THE super power. Marched right up to Rome's door and terrorized it. Led by one kick ass general. His own country, through the vote of the paid off poor betrayed him. 8 years later (if I recall) it fell to Rome never to rise again. It's greatgeneral was called back by the basta*** and asked to protect it. Proving his greatness he returned because of the patriotism instilled in him by his father. The people who were voted into power had already wasted the country beyond salvation and he failed in his efforts, retreating to another country still engaged in fighting off the roman yoke. It failed as well and instead of surrendering he took his own life. Well over 2000 years later military leaders still study his tactics.Carthage was also ruled by only 2 political parties much like ours. A great deal like ours. It was though the gift of welfare that the poor, the largest voting block of the country, gave away it's existance. Yes, even then, it was through the vote that people were put into power and the masses were bought and paid for byboth parties.

Get educated before you (the message) come on here pushing that "your unamerican if you don't vote" crap. And for Peters sake, the last election just ended, give us at least a years break.

Don't take anything I've said personally, it's the idea, philosophy, mantra that I have a problem with. I'm sure your a swell guy. Your a hunter after all.
nodog ......two things .....

1. One tactic people use to justify their rebelious spirit is much words. You think you can elevate yourself above those that believe in something by having a nonconformist attitude, using big words and stretching history to fit your narrow way of thinking.

2. My daddy could beat up your daddy! [8D]


Germ 01-26-2007 07:57 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: TeeJay

Z, I thought you said Hillary would get your vote. Sorry I didnt see the "no". My apologies! Germ, wasnt Tipper Gore behind getting trapping banned in AZ? What would have Gore done after 911? Give them a big ol "You better not do that again or else" pfft Al Gore please!
Last time I check Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

The eletric car and global warming bit was a joke[8D]

nodog 01-26-2007 08:01 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: nodog

If your counting, no I do not. Your assumption that the bad people will take over if I don't is absurd. From where I'm sitting there is no difference in either party and I have no desire to stick up for either. Here in Ohio there are more democrats who support a sportsman than their are republicans, doesn't say anything worth saying. The education of the people is where victory will be found. Your answer is for an idiot to vote. Voting is what you advocate isn't it?

Your deal is exactly what I hate, the use of fear to motivate people to act a certain way. I refuse to respond to such supplications and unfortunately that is the modus operandi of the powers that be today. I believe, based on history that is a pile of s*** and will led to the fall of this great nation as it has of past great nations. I really don't see us doing anything different than any others that have gone before us.

Anyone who cares, read books written by a great American, Clayton Cramer.

Tell me some thing, if everyone voted and the out come was the same, what would you blame it on then?

Anyone who wants my vote had better not try and convince to vote for them based on how much worse their opponent might be. Know any politician who doesn't operate this way? I don't.

Ever ask yourself this question, could not voting save this great nation? We are nothing new and many have come and gone before us. Cartage fell because of a vote. At it's time it was THE super power. Marched right up to Rome's door and terrorized it. Led by one kick ass general. His own country, through the vote of the paid off poor betrayed him. 8 years later (if I recall) it fell to Rome never to rise again. It's greatgeneral was called back by the basta*** and asked to protect it. Proving his greatness he returned because of the patriotism instilled in him by his father. The people who were voted into power had already wasted the country beyond salvation and he failed in his efforts, retreating to another country still engaged in fighting off the roman yoke. It failed as well and instead of surrendering he took his own life. Well over 2000 years later military leaders still study his tactics.Carthage was also ruled by only 2 political parties much like ours. A great deal like ours. It was though the gift of welfare that the poor, the largest voting block of the country, gave away it's existance. Yes, even then, it was through the vote that people were put into power and the masses were bought and paid for byboth parties.

Get educated before you (the message) come on here pushing that "your unamerican if you don't vote" crap. And for Peters sake, the last election just ended, give us at least a years break.

Don't take anything I've said personally, it's the idea, philosophy, mantra that I have a problem with. I'm sure your a swell guy. Your a hunter after all.
nodog ......two things .....

1. One tactic people use to justify their rebelious spirit is much words. You think you can elevate yourself above those that believe in something by having a nonconformist attitude, using big words and stretching history to fit your narrow way of thinking.
Back it up![8D]

PreacherTony 01-26-2007 08:07 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
You mean my daddy kickin the snot out of your daddy??

jmbuckhunter 01-26-2007 08:08 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
No I do not vote. I have lost all respect for politicians. You cannot trust them no matter what they tell you. I get so sick of their adds on TV. Here in Mo when Clair McCaskill ran against Jim Talent there was not one positive add on TV.All they said is how bad the other guy was, don't vote for him or her.

I used to be a shop steward in a union shop. When Clinton ran they had to support him because he was a democrat. HE WAS FROM A RIGHT TO WORK STATE FOR GOSH SAKES. Yet the Labor Unions supported him because he was a Democrat. Blind Loyalty!!!!

I believe it is also my right to choose NOT TO VOTE.

This is America Right?

Germ 01-26-2007 08:10 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

You mean my daddy kickin the snot out of your daddy??
My mom could whip both your daddies at the same time[:@]

PreacherTony 01-26-2007 08:16 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: jmbuckhunter

No I do not vote. I have lost all respect for politicians. You cannot trust them no matter what they tell you. I get so sick of their adds on TV. Here in Mo when Clair McCaskill ran against Jim Talent there was not one positive add on TV.All they said is how bad the other guy was, don't vote for him or her.

I used to be a shop steward in a union shop. When Clinton ran they had to support him because he was a democrat. HE WAS FROM A RIGHT TO WORK STATE FOR GOSH SAKES. Yet the Labor Unions supported him because he was a Democrat. Blind Loyalty!!!!

I believe it is also my right to choose NOT TO VOTE.

This is America Right?
It is your right to vote or not..... one day we may not have a choice ... it will be made for us.

I often wonder why people who feel like there is nothing but corruption in government, don't try and run themselves ....... I guess most people would rather just sit back, lukewarm and let things happen the way they happen instead of fighting for a cause ....

kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....

You that sit back have a right to do so ..... I wouldn't be proud of it though ... or try and justify it ..... but you have that freedom also ....Thank God for the men and women that fought for something ... for you to do it ......:eek:

PreacherTony 01-26-2007 08:18 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

You mean my daddy kickin the snot out of your daddy??
My mom could whip both your daddies at the same time[:@]
yeah ......so![8D]

jmbuckhunter 01-26-2007 08:28 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: jmbuckhunter

No I do not vote. I have lost all respect for politicians. You cannot trust them no matter what they tell you. I get so sick of their adds on TV. Here in Mo when Clair McCaskill ran against Jim Talent there was not one positive add on TV.All they said is how bad the other guy was, don't vote for him or her.

I used to be a shop steward in a union shop. When Clinton ran they had to support him because he was a democrat. HE WAS FROM A RIGHT TO WORK STATE FOR GOSH SAKES. Yet the Labor Unions supported him because he was a Democrat. Blind Loyalty!!!!

I believe it is also my right to choose NOT TO VOTE.

This is America Right?
It is your right to vote or not..... one day we may not have a choice ... it will be made for us.

I often wonder why people who feel like there is nothing but corruption in government, don't try and run themselves ....... I guess most people would rather just sit back, lukewarm and let things happen the way they happen instead of fighting for a cause ....

kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....

You that sit back have a right to do so ..... I wouldn't be proud of it though ... or try and justify it ..... but you have that freedom also ....Thank God for the men and women that fought for something ... for you to do it ......:eek:

There is no way on this earth you could get me to run for an office. The honest guy doesn't have a chance with all of those lying POLITICIANS. I would be forced to act like them to have a chance. I would not put my family in the way of their attacks.

nodog 01-26-2007 08:33 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....
Interesting you should bring that story up. If I remember right Saul was voted into power. Davids actions had nothing to do with voting.

Dubbya 01-26-2007 08:40 PM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

Yes, I vote Republican because it is the best for my way of belief.

I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.

Am I asking for too much?:D

That may be the most beautiful thing I've ever heard HCH... Thank you.

And if you don't vote... you don't have the right to complain about the people in office.

GMMAT 01-27-2007 03:39 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.

Teejay.....You asked...


What would have Gore done after 911? Give them a big ol "You better not do that again or else" pfft Al Gore please!
Or else "what"? He'd have done exactly what he and Bill did when our WTC was bombed the first time......and when the USS Cole was bombed.

NOTHING. In my opinion.....it's what's led the terrorists to think they're so empowered, today. Al and Bill (and all liberals) have forgotten the "Carry a big stick" part of the "walk soft" statement.

Germ....we agree on most but differ on our Iraq views, it seems. If GWB had invaded Afghanistan and stomped outOBL prior to 9/11 (therefore thwarting the attack on our country)....he'd have been considereda hero by many but still chastised by the left as being a "Hawk". In MY eyes....(along with many other Americans)....I think his PRE-EMPTIVE actions in Iraq did 2 things: No. 1 -- He crushed the threat of similar attacks by Sadaam Hussein. No. 2 -- He sent the message to other terrorist (and terror harboring) nations that we will not sit back while you prepare to mete out punishment on us by preparing your armies.

You think Lybia got the message?????



TeeJay 01-27-2007 05:23 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Jeff, it has been along time. But I have to agree with ya!

GMMAT 01-27-2007 05:38 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
TeeJay.....

HOORAH!! Hope springs eternal......lol.:)

PreacherTony 01-27-2007 06:18 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: nodog


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....
Interesting you should bring that story up. If I remember right Saul was voted into power. Davids actions had nothing to do with voting.
nodog ....ahhh, but ye err not knowing the scriptures.... The Isralites begged for a king, God gave themSaul to show them that God was the only one they needed to rule over them. Saul was a huge bust, and HE WAS NOT ELECTED .. God put him there. David, however, was the one who believed in something (The Lord), and defeated a lion, bear, Goliath, and many of God's adversaries.

PreacherTony 01-27-2007 06:21 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: jmbuckhunter


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: jmbuckhunter

No I do not vote. I have lost all respect for politicians. You cannot trust them no matter what they tell you. I get so sick of their adds on TV. Here in Mo when Clair McCaskill ran against Jim Talent there was not one positive add on TV.All they said is how bad the other guy was, don't vote for him or her.

I used to be a shop steward in a union shop. When Clinton ran they had to support him because he was a democrat. HE WAS FROM A RIGHT TO WORK STATE FOR GOSH SAKES. Yet the Labor Unions supported him because he was a Democrat. Blind Loyalty!!!!

I believe it is also my right to choose NOT TO VOTE.

This is America Right?
It is your right to vote or not..... one day we may not have a choice ... it will be made for us.

I often wonder why people who feel like there is nothing but corruption in government, don't try and run themselves ....... I guess most people would rather just sit back, lukewarm and let things happen the way they happen instead of fighting for a cause ....

kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....

You that sit back have a right to do so ..... I wouldn't be proud of it though ... or try and justify it ..... but you have that freedom also ....Thank God for the men and women that fought for something ... for you to do it ......:eek:

There is no way on this earth you could get me to run for an office. The honest guy doesn't have a chance with all of those lying POLITICIANS. I would be forced to act like them to have a chance. I would not put my family in the way of their attacks.
I totally disagree ..... but like you said, I will fight for your right to choose not to :eek:


PreacherTony 01-27-2007 06:25 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.

Teejay.....You asked...


What would have Gore done after 911? Give them a big ol "You better not do that again or else" pfft Al Gore please!
Or else "what"? He'd have done exactly what he and Bill did when our WTC was bombed the first time......and when the USS Cole was bombed.

NOTHING. In my opinion.....it's what's led the terrorists to think they're so empowered, today. Al and Bill (and all liberals) have forgotten the "Carry a big stick" part of the "walk soft" statement.

Germ....we agree on most but differ on our Iraq views, it seems. If GWB had invaded Afghanistan and stomped outOBL prior to 9/11 (therefore thwarting the attack on our country)....he'd have been considereda hero by many but still chastised by the left as being a "Hawk". In MY eyes....(along with many other Americans)....I think his PRE-EMPTIVE actions in Iraq did 2 things: No. 1 -- He crushed the threat of similar attacks by Sadaam Hussein. No. 2 -- He sent the message to other terrorist (and terror harboring) nations that we will not sit back while you prepare to mete out punishment on us by preparing your armies.

You think Lybia got the message?????


Great post .... I couldn't have said it better myself :D... as a matter of fact, I couldn't have said it that good![X(]

tsoc 01-27-2007 06:47 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
I vote in every election at every level of goverment.What good is having the ability to vote in a free society if you don't appreciate that right?I am a registered republican but I will cross party lines to vote for a person I feel represents the issues that are important to me.This is especially so in non national elections.

PreacherTony 01-27-2007 08:03 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: tsoc

I vote in every election at every level of goverment.What good is having the ability to vote in a free society if you don't appreciate that right?I am a registered republican but I will cross party lines to vote for a person I feel represents the issues that are important to me.This is especially so in non national elections.
yessir .... yet see how the no voters # rises ....:(

cr422 01-27-2007 08:07 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Yep, I always vote. I pick the folks who are closest to my views and vote for 'em. (I think expecting any candidate to agree with me 100% is pretty unrealistic.)

nodog 01-27-2007 09:25 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: nodog


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
kinda reminds me of David and Goliath ... the entire Israelite army sits back and gets challenged for 40 days ... doing nothing. ONE DAY A YOUNG BOY WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A CAUSE GOES OUT AND SLAYS THE PHILISTINE CHAMPION. .....OOPS....caps off .....
Interesting you should bring that story up. If I remember right Saul was voted into power. Davids actions had nothing to do with voting.
nodog ....ahhh, but ye err not knowing the scriptures.... The Isralites begged for a king, God gave themSaul to show them that God was the only one they needed to rule over them. Saul was a huge bust, and HE WAS NOT ELECTED .. God put him there. David, however, was the one who believed in something (The Lord), and defeated a lion, bear, Goliath, and many of God's adversaries.
Well PreacherTony I do believe this is the wrong forum for this, but IMO it is you who are wrong. The people voted for a king like themselves, Saul fit the bill.God gave them what they voted for. David was not, but pressed into service. The people never said give us David in fact the people tried to kill him like many revolutionaries (remind you of anybody. If it does that, IMO, is the proper use of this passage)I also don't believe the story was given to prove anything about voting,so in my estimation it is you who are taking the scriptures out of context as well as (voting or not) being something you have a hard time staying on topic about.

Once again I say get educated with some history and in this case that would be with early church history and in particular their views on voting for an earthly leader. You could start with the amish view. It has changed little. The history of voting in this country would be good to read at the same time. If you then presented a case from these findingsfor voting over not voting, I'dbe more inclined to listen. As it is, you remind me of the media. Same tactics. Fear!I turned them off a long time ago and found, I could think for myself. Stopped attending any organized "Church" as well. Just couldn't see any difference in the too. I see things haven't changed. Church meetings where people voted were just as ugly an affair (just to keep this on topic):D

And just to keep this whole subject at least for my part a bowhunting topic, the history of the times of Carthage have some great bowhunting stories.:DOne about the huge packs of wolves that filled the land.:D(might as well piss of another crowd).



Germ 01-27-2007 09:47 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.

Teejay.....You asked...


What would have Gore done after 911? Give them a big ol "You better not do that again or else" pfft Al Gore please!
Or else "what"? He'd have done exactly what he and Bill did when our WTC was bombed the first time......and when the USS Cole was bombed.

NOTHING. In my opinion.....it's what's led the terrorists to think they're so empowered, today. Al and Bill (and all liberals) have forgotten the "Carry a big stick" part of the "walk soft" statement.

Germ....we agree on most but differ on our Iraq views, it seems. If GWB had invaded Afghanistan and stomped outOBL prior to 9/11 (therefore thwarting the attack on our country)....he'd have been considereda hero by many but still chastised by the left as being a "Hawk". In MY eyes....(along with many other Americans)....I think his PRE-EMPTIVE actions in Iraq did 2 things: No. 1 -- He crushed the threat of similar attacks by Sadaam Hussein. No. 2 -- He sent the message to other terrorist (and terror harboring) nations that we will not sit back while you prepare to mete out punishment on us by preparing your armies.

You think Lybia got the message?????


Must be the moon phase, but we do disagree.



hardcorehunter 01-27-2007 09:59 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.



I feel the healthcare system and costs have gotten way out of hand. Ford Motor Company just posted record losts. Companies can't afford to pay for health insurance for their employees and it isn't their job to IMO.A fractionof the taxpayers $$ being wasted and going to these other countries in foreign aid could just pay forfree healthcare for every American.Our American made products would be lower in price as the large price of health insurance would be lifted from the manufacturers' back.Health care is the BIGGEST operating cost for big and smallbusiness.We also can't forget that over half of America has no health insurance as they can't afford it. We make sure that foreigners are helped before our own people are. Screw the foreigners, take car eof things at home. If my kid needs a new coat, I don't take the coat money and send it to a kid in Uganda. I take care of my owns' needs.

Tbyrnzy82 01-27-2007 10:23 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Often and always...


_Dan 01-27-2007 10:32 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

I feel the healthcare system and costs have gotten way out of hand. Ford Motor Company just posted record losts. Companies can't afford to pay for health insurance for their employees and it isn't their job to IMO.A fractionof the taxpayers $$ being wasted and going to these other countries in foreign aid could just pay forfree healthcare for every American.Our American made products would be lower in price as the large price of health insurance would be lifted from the manufacturers' back.Health care is the BIGGEST operating cost for big and smallbusiness.We also can't forget that over half of America has no health insurance as they can't afford it. We make sure that foreigners are helped before our own people are. Screw the foreigners, take car eof things at home. If my kid needs a new coat, I don't take the coat money and send it to a kid in Uganda. I take care of my owns' needs.

Why have they gotten out of hand? Its the entitlement attitued that this country has. The price of malpractice insurance it out of control because people can sue for almost anything and win. If we had reasonable judges with commonsense, who did not award millions of dollars for paper cuts, we wouldn't have this problem.

Socialized health care? No thanks. I live in Canada most of the year and I see how their system works. I thank God that I have private insurance down here. Doctors up there are government employees and underpaid. The system is slow and the care is poor. Poor analogy, but would you want the mailman operating on you?

hardcorehunter 01-27-2007 10:44 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: _Dan


ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

I feel the healthcare system and costs have gotten way out of hand. Ford Motor Company just posted record losts. Companies can't afford to pay for health insurance for their employees and it isn't their job to IMO.A fractionof the taxpayers $$ being wasted and going to these other countries in foreign aid could just pay forfree healthcare for every American.Our American made products would be lower in price as the large price of health insurance would be lifted from the manufacturers' back.Health care is the BIGGEST operating cost for big and smallbusiness.We also can't forget that over half of America has no health insurance as they can't afford it. We make sure that foreigners are helped before our own people are. Screw the foreigners, take car eof things at home. If my kid needs a new coat, I don't take the coat money and send it to a kid in Uganda. I take care of my owns' needs.

Why have they gotten out of hand? Its the entitlement attitued that this country has. The price of malpractice insurance it out of control because people can sue for almost anything and win. If we had reasonable judges with commonsense, who did not award millions of dollars for paper cuts, we wouldn't have this problem.

Socialized health care? No thanks. I live in Canada most of the year and I see how their system works. I thank God that I have private insurance down here. Doctors up there are government employees and underpaid. The system is slow and the care is poor. Poor analogy, but would you want the mailman operating on you?

I agree, this is the reason for high costs. How do we stop it though? Make it illegal to sue a Dr.? That sounds scary too. The Healthcare Systemin America is a mess too.
No mailman please.

This is the 1st time I have been to a Dr. since I hit a deer with my Harley 6 years ago. I never have health issues and my entire family never goes to the Dr.(knock on wood). The cost of our premium is outrageeous and we are self employed.

_Dan 01-27-2007 10:49 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
No idea how to stop it. Almost impossible.

Note that I was only making an observation and comparing our system to one with socialized health care. After seeing both, I'll stick with high rates for private insurance.

Here's one question. What is the point of MEDICAID?

hardcorehunter 01-27-2007 10:52 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
Dan, I am ignorant to Medicaid. What does it do for us. It is for the retired?

_Dan 01-27-2007 11:05 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter

Dan, I am ignorant to Medicaid. What does it do for us. It is for the retired?
You're thinking Medicare. I don't have a lot of knowledge on Medicaid, but I do know it isa program for those who cannot afford health insurance.

Realize that anyone who needs medical attention will receive it. Will it be as good of care as what I may receive? Maybe not, but they will be treated.

We live in a capitolistic society, we all have the same opportunities to succeed. Its just some choose not to. It goes hand in hand.

Germ 01-27-2007 11:15 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter


ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.



I feel the healthcare system and costs have gotten way out of hand. Ford Motor Company just posted record losts. Companies can't afford to pay for health insurance for their employees and it isn't their job to IMO.A fractionof the taxpayers $$ being wasted and going to these other countries in foreign aid could just pay forfree healthcare for every American.Our American made products would be lower in price as the large price of health insurance would be lifted from the manufacturers' back.Health care is the BIGGEST operating cost for big and smallbusiness.We also can't forget that over half of America has no health insurance as they can't afford it. We make sure that foreigners are helped before our own people are. Screw the foreigners, take car eof things at home. If my kid needs a new coat, I don't take the coat money and send it to a kid in Uganda. I take care of my owns' needs.
HCH the problem is not healthcare cost. The issue is we are lazy, fat nation. Our over weight population has caused more medical problems forthe health care system.

I am a personel trainer and I see it everyday. I help a guy loose 150 lbs, and guess what all his medical problems went away.

My wife and I stick to a strick diet, no persevatives, no MSG's. I have not been to a doctor in 15 years.

If ford required their employees to work out 30 mins a day 5 days a week; they would cut their health care cost by half.

_Dan 01-27-2007 11:18 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: hardcorehunter


ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I wish there was a party that believed in no foreign aid to other countries, a strong military, our borders secured, low taxes, no welfare to losers that scam the system, and concealed carry permits except for felons and thementally ill.
Don....you sound like you're looking for the Libertarian party.

But Don....did you REALLY say you'd institute socialized medicine??? Really? For all the views you showed above.....to promote big government getting involved in our healthcare matters, frankly,.....surprises me. I want WAY, WAY, WAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY LESS government.



I feel the healthcare system and costs have gotten way out of hand. Ford Motor Company just posted record losts. Companies can't afford to pay for health insurance for their employees and it isn't their job to IMO.A fractionof the taxpayers $$ being wasted and going to these other countries in foreign aid could just pay forfree healthcare for every American.Our American made products would be lower in price as the large price of health insurance would be lifted from the manufacturers' back.Health care is the BIGGEST operating cost for big and smallbusiness.We also can't forget that over half of America has no health insurance as they can't afford it. We make sure that foreigners are helped before our own people are. Screw the foreigners, take car eof things at home. If my kid needs a new coat, I don't take the coat money and send it to a kid in Uganda. I take care of my owns' needs.
HCH the problem is not healthcare cost. The issue is we are lazy, fat nation. Our over weight population has caused more medical problems forthe health care system.

I am a personel trainer and I see it everyday. I help a guy loose 150 lbs, and guess what all his medical problems went away.

My wife and I stick to a strick diet, no persevatives, no MSG's. I have not been to a doctor in 15 years.

If ford required their employees to work out 30 mins a day 5 days a week; they would cut their health care cost by half.
That too.;)

hardcorehunter 01-27-2007 11:22 AM

RE: Sportsman ....Do You Vote??
 
I agree.If I didn't ride a bike or hunt, I wouldn't have seen a Dr. in that many years either. Will this thread get locked because we are picking on fat people for making our insurance rates too high? Sometimes, we have to be politically correct.(Not me[8D])


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