Predator answer for Davidmil
 

Hey David,

Sorry for missing your question...

As far as the Predator patterns go, I really like the Fall Gray -- but, then again, I do 99.9% of my hunting from 20' up with the sky as my background as the deer look up.

I do realize it contains some large white blotches in it that may make some people uncomfortable wearing it to hunt from the ground, but to me that's more of a perceived worry than an actual one -- unless you're trying to hide from other human passersby, orlike Rob has pointed out, are worried about wearing something white in the woods during turkey season.

Aside from those two reasons, the Fall Gray actually looks darn good on the ground too... Here's a picture one of our members got after accidentally tripping his trail cam while walking by. He's wearing Fall Gray:



You can see how the large, contrasting "blocks" help to erase his outline, even on the ground. Remember too that I'm evaluating this stuff from all the evidence of how we think a whitetail sees in its world, based on the data we've collected so far.

Obviously, I think where Fall Gray REALLY comes into its own at is in the treetops; I'm just saying up above that it's not horrible even on the ground. As a matter of fact, I've relayed the story before, but I was able to stalk up to a family of four coyotes on the ground in similar-looking woods that are pictured up above, and got to within 20 yards before misjudging the shot. (I was on my hands and knees and not used to mentally ranging from that position; shaved the back hair off one of them.)

NOW, having said all that... :)

I do see why some people who aren't taking into account that our best guesses show whitetails seeing the world in a dichromatic view at best and in a black and white world at worst can be somewhat leery of the Fall Gray... For those people, I'd probably recommend Deception -- but only if you got to sort through the clothing items you were about to purchase by hand. I've seen some Deception that I thought was tremendous (Hardcorehunter's top, for instance), yet our local store has some brown Deception hanging in it that doesn't offer much contrast between the light and dark blotches; it's pretty much all dark brown.

A very good compromise is to contact Jeff Aulik at www.graywolfwoolens.com and order his Fall Gray in Wolfskin. If you get it unlined (you can always wear insulated underwear beneath it), it's not that unreasonable considering the qualities of the fabric (colorfast, near-waterproof, etc.). Jeff's Fall Gray is actually a good compromise between FG and the old Fall Brown. The base color is not as white, but more of a light tan -- but not as dark as ASAT's tan base.

Hope that helps David.

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

Greg, that's a cool pattern, but it doesn't look to have much contrast?? Are the "sticks and limbs" as narrow as they appear? Forgive my ignorance, I've never used it, or seen it first hand, actually. I mean, it has different color segments, one of which is white so I could see why you like it for treestand use, but there just doesn't appear to be much contrast in it.....Maybe it's just the picture.

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Say Greg, Rob,and others; what is the difference between wolfskin and bucksuede? I bought Hoytgirl a predator deception unlined archers jacket at Sportsman's warehouse last weekend for $56 and wecan't tell anydifference in feel, looks of the material, quietness, than my $80wolfskin unlined enigma coat. Both are whisper quiet, quiet and flexible in the cold,and both claim water repellency.

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

OFF TOPIC! LMAO!! Sorry, couldn't resist.....:D:D:D:D

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

Mobow, that's the same Fall Gray you've seen me talk about before... Maybe the way the sun reflects off the shirt is what you're seeing? This pic provides a pretty good look at the pattern and its contrasting blocks I referred to up above, and gives you a sense of scale as to how big the overlaying sticks and limbs are, to answer your question:



Another shot of the Fall Gray, and its contrast:



I threw this one in for those who've never seen the old Fall Brown stuff; I've got Fall Gray pants on and a FB shirt on. Notice the base color,which is tan as opposed to the base on the pants being more "whitish".



Again, showing some of the different patterns for those who've never seen... This is Spring Green:

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

LMAO!! Not off topic,I am talking about predator.

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

That camo looks kickbutt. BTW; nice pics.

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HCH, can you post a picture of the Deception buckskin clothing you bought your wife? Just wanted to see something other than what is shown on the website. No Predator dealers anywhere near me and no stores/shops carry any. MY old bow shop has not carried Predator clothing in years.[:o]

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

Oh yeah, those are better. I personally like the green best, but that's just me. I don't know though.....there's something about it....it's too.......segmented?? It doesn't blur out if you will......Don't know exactly how to explain it....But it obviously works....;)

RE: Predator answer for Davidmil
 

HCH, I too own both Wolfskin and Bucksuede... Your findings are a little different than with the materials I personally own.

My wolfskin is a LOT more supple and flexible in all weather conditions, while my bucksuede tends to be "stiffer"... The wolfskin is probably more water-repellant than my bucksuede too, but the bucksuede's certainly not what I'd call "absorbent" like cotton, either. I'd give the "quiet' edge to the wolfskin sa well -- though obviously, the wolfskin's a good bit pricier.

Without going and quoting all the technica specs, those are my personal findings...