RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
 

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>As a matter of fact, he kept calling them does the whole time we were field dressing them. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Didn't he notice anything that would have made it obvious they were bucks?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

One thing really bothers me and it's not that he shot two button bucks.The man never shot with his broadheads before going out in the field, that's totally wrong and there is no excuse for it.

Did he bother to take a couple shots with the mechs. before he went out the next day? Or did he just screw them in and climb into his tree stand?

RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
 

MRAYNOR1 You say you found about a 110 lb. button buck first of all was it 110lb or not it seems that you didn't wiegh it so how do know it was ABOUT 110lb? If that button buck wieghed that much it was with the gut's in and dressed out he would have only wieghed about 75-80 lbs. If he shot a button buck so be it but I certainly wouldn't come here bragging about it. I also still wonder if he recovered the first deer before shooting the second. I am pretty sure that all states that allow more than one deer killed per day require that you recover the deer before shooting another. I noticed she said he shot 2 in 2 minutes so I doubt that he did. With this broad head thing how can any one not want a bow hunting test before going to the field? In this case he would have had to test and pass before the woods and he wouldn't have missed or wounded any deer. I also wonder if any of those 6 misses actualy was a wounded deer. I noticed lady didn't answer that question either.

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<font size=5>Congrats to your father on his sucessful HUNT!!!</font id=size5>

Those deer are going to make for some exceptional eating.

For everyone asking if he recovered the first deer before shooting the second...please read the title of the thread. That should answer your question (hint...<font color=red>2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks</font id=red>).

The only argument that I've seen thus far against shooting button bucks is that they will never have a chance to become antlered bucks...and possibly a trophy buck. Folks, this is NOT an ethics issue, it's a trophy hunting issue. If you're a trophy hunter then fine, let them walk and wait for a deer that will make you happy. It's your right, and your decision to make. Please remember though, some of us never were, are not now, and have no desire to be, trophy hunters.

JRW

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JRW alright you are the man. I agree totatly.

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So they were BB. No biggie. Congrats.

Now, what's this about going archery hunting with a setup that he obviously had not practiced with before? Six shots and all misses?? I hope they were all clean misses. It looks like he needs to do some preseason preparation. It's not like taking a rifle out. Six shots with a bow that isn't tuned. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> He risked wounding deer with inadequate equipment. Something far worse than taking any button buck, or two for that matter.

Todd

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I have no problem with legal kills. I wish people were more selective, but for the ones who aren't and do it by the law, I'm glad it excites them.

Personally, I don't shoot buttons and always make sure it's a large doe or an older buck. I also don't shoot 1.5 year old bucks and many others do. I doesn't bother me too much how selective bowhunters are or aren't, because once gun season gets here, all the deer are going to be mowed down like tall spring grass. I'll drive by camps with hanging poles, filled with buttons and doe fawns. Almost no one passes on anything around here. I've come to the conclusion that my only reasonable chance of ever seeing a mature buck in my lifetime will be to join a large lease and pay the big money to hunt with others who want to selectively choose which animals to kill.

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Congrats to your FIL!!

I bet he'll have reservations the next time he pulls on a doe. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>I don't see anything wrong with it. He wasn't out button buck hunting. BTW, is your father-in-law a new bowhunter? If so, good for him, and that explains a lot.

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Congrats! Most deer biologists will tell you to meet your management objectives, take any, that's ANY antlerless deer that stands still long enough to present a shot. This from people who know a lot more about managing for a healthy herd then our resident armchair experts.
Now, the only part that scares me is hutning with a setup you haven't practiced with, make sure you press the point home he should have never been in the woods without having shot his broadheads, and a bow tuned so poorly it wouldn't shoot them well. Mechanical heads aren't a bandaid, and it's unethical to use them as such. If the bow was so poorly tuned it wouldn't shoot fixed blades well enough to hit a deer, it's unethical to use mechanicals, as they aren't flying well, and penetration WILL be an issue on a mature deer.
We all make mistakes, but those types of things with our equipment, well, we owe that much to the animals.



&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
 

6ptsitka, I agree with most everything you said in your post. I especially agree about mechs not being a quick fix for proper bow tuning and practice. However, I do have some wildlife biology training/education and have never heard that taking any antlerless deer is good for the population. The whole purpose behind taking antlerless deer is to reduce the population of the herd as a whole. By taking a doe, you in effect remove 2-3 deer from the herd. The doe herself and the 1-2 fawns she would drop in the spring. That goes a lot farther toward herd population control than shooting a button buck. Taking a button buck reduces the ratio of bucks-to-doe in that herd. I learned that the greatest indicator of herd health is buck-to-doe ratio. The closer they are the more competition there is for breeding rights, thus ensuring the strongest, healthiest bucks are passing on their genes and in turn improving the herd.

As far as the discussion about taking a button buck, I have done it in the past by mistake and it could happen again. I shot a button buck whose buttons were so small I didn't know it was a buck until I began field dressing it. I like to shoot one young deer a year because they taste the best. Nothing beats a young tender back strap.

Ladybowhunter, I'm glad your father-in-law was happy and congratulate him on a successful hunt, but I hope he prepares a little better next year.

Edited by - huntingbry on 11/11/2002 15:35:51

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I read that statement in last month's North American Whitetail, I believe, I'll check which mag when I get home. Kinda surprised me too.
The author, a name anyone would recognize, did say he would reccomend against it, if possible, but he tells people to not worry about it because most can't tell the difference in a hunting situation, and in most herds the does are so overpopulated it works out to be counterproductive.
For the record, I agree with you, I wouldn't shoot a bb, and I advise constantly against it in my club. Not when a proud new hunter brings one in though, not the time or place, IMO. Take any legal deer for your first, I say, but then give some thought to what your herd needs.
And I use mechanical heads sometimes too. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;