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James Vee 08-22-2006 05:17 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 
I'll be more than happy to let you shed a tear in my beer when you see my before and after pictures this year. :D

atlasman 08-22-2006 05:35 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ORIGINAL: formula1

My first thought was that this guy was an anti who had no realistic understanding of the challenge of deer hunting.






Now that I think about it, he's just a bored hunting with nothing to do except stirr the pot. He doesn't have time to shoot his bow or plant his food plot or run to the lease to check his cameras I guess.
I shoot my bow plenty. Don't plant food plots........or hunt on a lease......or use game cameras. WOW, you REALLY missed a lot of reading. You should read what was written and then you will understand that the thread has nothing to do with any of the stuff you mentioned.



Outsmarting a wise old buck is difficult at best, no matter what tool you choose to 'help' you. When it boils down to the cold hard facts, it's just a one-on-one challenge, your setup against the senses of that big buck.
24 hour surveillance from the comfort of your couch is a "fair" one on one challenge? Really? Do you think the deer would agree?




What percentage of hunters can honestly say that any of the methods mentioned(except baiting and high fence)have actually helped them outsmart the big bucks? Consistently?

I'm betting there are few!!!
Then why do they use them?...........and what do "big bucks" have anything to do with the topic?

atlasman 08-22-2006 05:36 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ORIGINAL: bkalbach

first off, i havent read all of these replies and i'm not going to.

atlasman, unless you only hunt with equipment you make yourself, you're just as hypocritical as what you're complaining about.
How's that?

Maybe you should read the replies because I am not complaining about anything.

atlasman 08-22-2006 05:42 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ORIGINAL: rybohunter

What would YOU consider fair chase?


Don't know..............I do know that it doesn't fit where a lot of people apply it.



You give a lot of guys out there every edge and gadget known and they still couldn't kill an old smart deer. Should we poke out one of the deer's eyes, or tie a 100# weight to its leg to "even" things up?
I don't think we need to do anything..............I just don't think we need to be running around crying when things cross the line (whatever that is) that it is violating the holy grail of "fair chase"

Honestly, tell me that you could sit down a person that doesn't know much about hunting and make them believe that the arsenal we carry into the woods to kill a deer is really "fair chase".............Do you really think they would not burst out laughing?

Don't misunderstand and think I have a problem with the hunting methods because you know very well that I don't.............but "fair chase"??? It just sounds so stupid.

Rob/PA Bowyer 08-22-2006 05:43 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

Then why do they use them?.
Speaking for myself, I use a trail camera because it's fun. It's another scouting tool that may or may not aid me in harvesting an animal. I've had pictures of bucks that I have never seen and I have pictures of bucks that I've recognized immediately. It's great to have close up pictures of buck, fawns, does in the area that you would never get that close for a picture. At times, I honestly think trail cameras can be a hinderance because they can scare animals, nothing unfair about taking a deers picture is there?

I enjoy them, that is why I use them.

MOTOWNHONKEY 08-22-2006 05:51 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 
The only unfair gagget on the market today that makes deer hunting completely unfair chase is that stinken ole Whisker Biscuit. When you get buck fever when that spiker comes in and that arrow would go flying off if it wern't for that WB, than by golly thats just not fair.

atlasman 08-22-2006 05:55 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ORIGINAL: davidmil

Heck, everyone has a couple gadgets to tinker with. Undoubtedly there are more than there used to be. But whoa, Atlas, take a breath. You sound like you're accusing the whole hunting community of having everything, using every devious method know to scoundrels to take that critter. I think you're just a little around the bend on this, but that's fine. You do it your way, we'll do it our way and remember...."It's suppose to be fun".

I'm not accusing anyone of anything............I have no problem with the way anyone hunts.......you know that. I hunt the same way.......I just don't think I would go around advertising it as "fair chase" just because there is no chain link fence in view.




Personnally, I don't have cameras, my bow shoots around 255, I do have a rangefinder, I don't bait, I don't have box blinds, towers, food plots, decoys or any of that stuff. I have a couple scent loc suits but haven't worn one in 3 years. In short, I'm just about like most people here. I go out, find a tree, climb up and see what happens. I still have to be still, lob the arrow etc.
Same here..............like I said, I don't have any problem with any of that.........but calling it "fair chase"??? Just sounds stupid and if I think it sounds stupid I can only imagine what an outsider who sees 30 guys in orange putting on non stop drives every fall must think. I just see it as a stupid label that people use for what reason I don't know.

Why can't we just call it hunting?



There's a vast difference from my hunting to that of the caged pets that have been specifically bred with a price tag attached before you even shoot the thing. No sir, that's not hunting and it's not Fair Chase.
How much different is that from the situation I described? Definately not the same........I agree........but VAST difference????......Hmmmm.




Don't get confused with your ranting over some new gadgets on the market that MOST of us don't use.

I wasn't pointing out anyone specific.




Take a breath and read what you wrote. You ranked me and my fellow hunters with the likes of the WHA.

Perhaps you should re-read that...........I said how can so many people be FURIOUS over the WHA and use the term "fair chase" as justification........and then go out and hunt in a manner that many would consider not "fair chase"............That is why I don't care for the term at all.

I don't think it is a good fit.............anywhere. I certainly wouldn't use it to justify my choice of hunting over someone elses.




I take offense to it and think you're just a little crotchetty today. What's wrong, lose your best flintorcamo loin clothor something?
Why would you be offended by my opinion that the term "fair chase" is stupid?

mlo3135127 08-22-2006 05:58 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 
Most deer hunting is just plain and simple ambushing unsuspecting deer. Fair? who knows! I guess the only time it can be true fair chase is if you could tell the deer when you will be out there and what weapon you will be using. Although atlasman has some good points, I will still be out there on opening day.

Fieldmouse 08-22-2006 05:58 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 
Oh no I think the fat lady is singing. I'm in agreement with Atlas. Fair chase is only in the mind of the beholder.

MO_Bowhnter 08-22-2006 05:58 PM

RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
 

ORIGINAL: MOTOWNHONKEY

The only unfair gagget on the market today that makes deer hunting completely unfair chase is that stinken ole Whisker Biscuit. When you get buck fever when that spiker comes in and that arrow would go flying off if it wern't for that WB, than by golly thats just not fair.



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