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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer When you lumb every ingredient in your thread Atlas, "fair chase" certainly is a coined phrase at that point. I don't use all the above but I do certainly use several tactics. The deer I hunt can be miles and miles away regardless of the equipment (bow) I choose to take to the woods. They free wonder and could be miles away regardless that I have caught them on game camera from time to time. They could wonder and be miles away regardless that I have a food plot beside the other 1000 acres of corn and soybean and acorns. They could wonder and be miles away regardless the fact that I have a rangefinder around my neck more to make a clean harvest and not wound an animal, to reassure my yardage estimations..... They could be...........but more times then not........they aren't. More and more threads pop up these days showing a buck killled followed by the game cam pics they got of him the month before. What is "fair chase"...hell, I don't even know, I'd imagine that is a coined phrase by someone in the industry and it caught on to disconnect fences from your hunting style.... I'd imagine there is a traditionalist out there that makes thier own bow, string, arrows, feathers, broadheads, camo, scouts, etc...and only takes an animal from 10 yards and in...that person I'd bet Atlas would call your hunting unfair chase.... |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
And now for the ridiculous low tech method
Seems there was this fellow who wanted to kill a deer but was too busy to go out and hunt with minimal chances of productivity. So he came up with a plan. He set up a pile of corn in his barn at his summer place. Rigged to this pile was asomple trip wire that closed the door to the barn. At the same time a pre-adressed and stamped postcard was sent via a small trolley into the mail box at the street. The postman delivered the card to the fellow who now knew there was a deer waiting for him up north. Lets lighten up and do our best to legally take deer,ethics beyond legality is a personal matter |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
P.S. And as far as the trail cam things go, I find that they would be useless in my hunting. I hunt mostly small plots that others wander in, hunt public lands etc. MOST of us do. I see the photos you're talking about too, but if you've been paying attention, most of those pretty pictured deer are never brought to the bag by the guy with the picture.Not to single him out, but more as an example of what I mean, look at old Buckmagnet. He's been posting pictures of gorgeous deer on his private land for 3 years. He's yet to put an arrow in one of them. However, I think now they've gotten so over populated on the place he can't miss this fall.[8D]
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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: TEmbry15 Are you saying that hunting inside of 10 ft fences around relatively small farms and then paying 15, 000 dollars after the kill for a record book deer raised in a barn...is the same thing as using high tech bows or scopes for your rifles? This is ridiculous. To say that growing food plots (which help the overall health of the herd) is unfair...is just plain stupid. What does the fps on bows matter anyway? Do you REALLY think that muzzleloading is the same today with accuracy out to 250+ yards and big scopes as it was in the old smoke pole days? 320 fps is nothing to the 2000+ fps bullets that rifles have always shot. And? So yes, hunting with my laser range finder and fast new compound while wearing camo clothing, IS FAIR. These deer are far more smarter than"giant rabbits with antlers". So stop belittling this animal which is just as smart, if not smarter about humans, than it was back in the good old days of fair chase. I'm only 15, and even I think you should grow up. |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Diesel77 Do you think you could pick the exact trail they will come out tomorrow night on my 1 mile long stretch of field/woods, close enough for a shot at one you are willing to harvest, maybe, maybe not. Is planting soy or corn making itnot "fair chase" for bow hunting for me? I'm not trying to condemn anyone here.........or how they hunt. I use all kinds of gear that people would laugh right in my face if they heard the words "fair" come out of my mouth........that's why I see it as a pretty bad rallying cry. |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: statjunk I'm considering getting a helicopter and a self-aiming gyroscopic laser sightto pick them off from slightly higher ground! The onlypart that is difficult for me to swallow is that currently I figure venison costs me roughly $60/lb once you figure it all in but with a helicopter I'm going to have shoot several thousand deer to get to that cost per lb. I figure if I can afford to get this idea off the ground (no pun intended) that it should be considered fair chase! lol. Good Post Atlasman. Tom  I have little doubt that the day an affordable infared device to locate deer in the woods can be marketed it will fly off the shelves. |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
If it is so unfair - the way our average joe bowhunter does it, then where is your state record Atlas? I mean, if it isn't fair chase then it must be unfair chase right? So before you shoot any deer, you shout out -
"Hey Mr. Deer - I'm thinking about eating you... I'll give you to the count of 3... better start running!" And more fps doesn't make it easier to hit your target, it just makes you miss a little faster. ONLY practice will make it easier to hit the target. |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin I use just about every advanced trick in the modern day hunting book and I still don't have a wall full of monster bucks, or any bucks for that matter, as you would like to make people think. I plant food plots, I use scouting cameras, I own and us a rangefinder, I shoot a fast bow, I have silent clothes, I watch the wind and try to control my scent, and I still have a hard time killing mature deer. Just because you do all of the above mentioned things doesn't mean its easy to consistantly shoot mature animals. There are a lot more people who can't do it than can. I don't want to get off subject here............I really don't see what mature bucks have to do with the topic of "fair chase" |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: MN_Deerman I agree with you Atlas but this debate is a moot point because everybodies definition of "fair chase" is probably a little different. The responses to this post is proof of this. Do you really think the term "fair chase" fits at all? |
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
Gotta admit, atlasman... You're good for business! ;)I'll pick wits with you some other time; you've got some points I both agree and disagree with (or at least a contention or premise I disagree with...), but I honestly don't even feel like getting into it right now...
As I told Rob when we were conversing about the proliferation of WHA threads and their position, expounding upon your own position does make you understand it to the fullest and expose the flaws in your own logic... I've read your posts on here enough over the years that I believe that is your ultimate goal (for someone to understand their own position to the fullest), and for that I commend you. Then again, I've seen you be as stubborn as a Missouri mule and not yield one iota -- even when others made valid points... ;) |
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