If he means it in that way then I sincerely apoligize. But I am reading it different even after rereading it. I cannot support all hunting when this type of hunting is going on.

I like the way you worded it alot better and I can agree with what you say 100%. But I feel some of these shows should be overtaken to preserve our hunting rights. It does make nonhunters look at our obsession in a bad way and they will not see the good in it with shows like this.

Not that I care what nonhunters think about me, but I do care about what they're trying to take from us.

Anthony..........COMMON GROUND! I concur!

Jeff

SBG,Yes!That was/is what i'm getting at--thank you.Any hunter complaining about any type of hunting is,well,hunters against hunters,period.

I agree.

What is fair about hunting. If you are not going out, butt naked and dispatching an animal with what God gave you, you are not engaged in fair chase, period. I have yet to see a gripe that is not simply equated to bragging rights. I would never pay to hunt behind a fence, but if you want to, more power too ya. I think its crazy to pay thousands to hunt, but like I said, if you want to, knock your brains out. I dont hunt to brag, so the fence thing does not bother me. Not any more than ranching. I guess yall do not eat domestic hamburger or swine. Same ethics apply, are we not talking fair chase and animals? Why do you hunt? For the thrill of killing something, a trophy, or for the meat? If you hunt to kill or simplyfor a rack with no reguardsforthe meat, your a sick person. If you kill for meat, whats the big deal. I personally get bent when I meet a person who kills an animal, cut off the head, and leave the meat. And im sure there are those here as well.


By the way, I hate to tell you all, THERE IS NOTHING FAIR ABOUT HUNTING. That is why we win more than the animal. We use tools to increase our advantage. An animal does nothing of the sort. Now how fair is that.


Lets see how this could go.

Fences banned, unethical

Next, rifles banned, unethical, too much range with no reguard to stalking skills

Next, crossbows, we already have been seeing that.

Next, compound bows, unethical, too easy to shoot with little practice. Ive already seen that as well here.

Next, recurves, not as difficult as a long self bow
etc. etc. etc.

Dont believe me, read post on this forum from the past. I can recall a long thread trying to get crossbows banned. I have even seen trad bow hunters crying about compounds putting a bad name on hunting.


Keep on fighting for this ban, you just might get what you want, leading to the next ban. Im one that does not care how you hunt. YOu could tie an animal to a fence and stab it with a knife for all I care, as long as it is an ethical kill. All im concerned with is an ethical kill. I could go on a rant and accuse all you compound and rifle hunters of being unethical because you do not use traditional gear like I. Now how assinine is that.

So it was'nt fairwhen our ancestors 10,000 yrs ago killed for food with bows and arrows and homemade clothing? Are you saying we have to kill with our bare hands or it's not fair chase. We as humans have developed weapons and such to hunt by adapting to the situation. Fair chase is an animal with open range to escape a man without being trapped. What is fair about hunting wild animals? The fact that they have also adapted to it the same way as we have, by having senses 100's of times as good as ours. Are you saying it's easy to go kill a 4 1/2-5 1/2 yr old deer? Maybe if it trapped in a fence.
How is this classified as the same thing? Beef animals have been raised and are killed for food, not to hunt. Hunting fair chase and killing domestic cattle for food are two different things and I don't see how they relate to each other at all. I could'nt agree with that more..Man, I see the point your getting at. I just can't agree with some of your definitions of fair chase hunting.
Also, I do apoligize, J.sasker, I see your point and I do agree with you. Sorry man.

I think you missed burnie's point there Anthony T.


BTW, I hunt because it's fun and challenging (the more the better). Meat, horns, sore muscles, cold bones, loss of sleep and wonderful memories are all by-products.

Our Ancestors could care less about bragging about their kills. They killed for one reason, food. They could careless if it was fair of not. We are the only ones caught up in trophy hunting. They also tended to kill the smaller, weaker animals.

I don't know who to rebut first... you're all beating a dead horse here....

If you don't like it, don't do it. Right? Isn't that why some guys choose bow-hunting only?

If it hurts hunting as a whole, don't do it. Right? Isn't that why we all rose against the WHA?

Seems like 2 very simple logical rules right?

Guess what, arguing about techniques and methods... IS HURTING HUNTING.

God gave us the greatest tool of all for hunting... our mind. It is the one thing, (other than biblical explanations regarding souls), that separates us from the animals. All other animals have speed, hearing, eyesight, strength, smell, and teeth far greater than ours that benefit hunting, while humans do not. All we have is our brain, our logic, our capacity to adapt quicker to any situation or environment than any other creature on earth. Without said intellect none of us would be here. We would have followed the dinosours, if we'd haveeven gotten that far.

Okay, I'll leave it at that, bernie, if you're all for hunting then I'm with you man. I see the point your coming with. The part about bragging and all don't apply to me so I agree with you there too. I was'ny trying to argue about anything, I just don't feel right about some types of hunting these guys do. I could care less if they do it or not either, that don't mean I think it's right.
So, to preserve our hunting rights and assure that we keep them, we should just let everything go, not speak on any of it, and walk away?
I guess if I have to, I'll live with that.
Could'nt have said it better myself!

There was a mention of PETA earlier in this thread. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that these types of "canned" hunts are the exact types of things that organizations like PETA use as ammo in their crusade against hunting. This is how they present all hunting to folks that may be on the fence about it, or not care one way or the other. This is how they create more antis.

I'm all for hunting however an individual chooses, be it gun, bow, using dogs, whatever, but make no mistake about it; these canned hunts ARE NOT hunting, and they do our favorite past time a huge disservice.