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We have to pass a bowhunter saftey course in montana completely separate from the normal hunter saftey class. I'm all for it.

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I had to take a Safety course to get my bow license which in Maine is a requirement for all first time license applicants, bow and rifle.I didn't care for it because it was very basic and geared for the first time hunter.I am not saying that it is a bad thing.Some people need instruction on compass reading and general woods safety.

My whole problem with this thread is the competency issue and how it was presented.I know that most people will take it upon themselves to learn how to shoot their bow with some degree of accuracy and I'll bet most try and get as good as they can.As a rule I find bow people to be much more particular in their performance than gun people,especially those that participate in 3D.

Krisken,in all due respect,trying to get an instructor to proficiently
test every archery hunter for a full 3D course would be nearly impossible. Hunter safety instructors are volunteers at this point,instructors are hard to come by and so are the classes.I know some that couldn't coordinate a class to coincide with their work schedule and weren't allowed to hunt because of it.Some were denied classes simply because there weren't enough participants to warrant the instructors time.To tack on a profiency test would be a major burden and quite frankly I feel ineffective.

Ron

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Nmaineron I never said I was born with a bow in my. Personaly I shot bow for years before I ever hunted. I know that is not possible for every hunter but they should have atleast 2-3 months of regular practice before. Nmaineron you can't see how a test on shooting ability would help you be a better hunter? hunnnhh geeze where do some of you guy's come from? The way it makes people better is...

1. It would stop the buy a bow today hunt tommarow people from hunting until they were actualy ready to ethical hunt ith a bow good enough to have a good chance at killing what they shoot and not wounding it. Becouse they have to practice then take the test with their own bow.



2. You your self are probably a good shot but believe it or not there are guy's that could only hit a pie plate sized target at 20 yrd. 1 or 2 times outta 6 so in reality they would only hit 1 out of six deer they shoot at in the vitals. Is that the kinda hunter you would want hunting on the same property as your self?


conclusion= If bow hunter's have to take a test at a pre determined distance at a pre determined size target with a certain number % hits it will force people who want to bow hunt to practice and take the time to learn how to properly shoot their bow thus becoming better shooter's and not wounding as many game. If you can't see the good in an archer becoming a better shot you are blind.

Kirsken great idea on the 3-d test. I don't know what Nmaineron is talking about when he say's it would never work. In my area our local 3-d clubs shoot atleast 1 time a week all spring and summer there are plenty of volenteer's that would walk the course and shoot along with them to score their cards. They would be shooting any way so it wouldn't be a bad idea. While it is true they may not have all the volenteer's they would like they would still be able to fit people through just like they do the hunter's saftey coarse.

Now one more thing for Nmaineron:

quote: "I fail to see the wisdom after my 40 years in the woods that taking a competency test is going to make me a better hunter." DUHHHH if you can't hit the broad side of a barn you will now have to hit your target or else you will have practice and retake the test until you may hunt. Just becouse you may be able to shoot good doesn't mean everyone else can!


Quote: "How do we stop the fella that took his hunter saftey coarse last week then stopped at his local shop to get his gear and is now hitting the woods for the first time." DUHHHHHHH Thats what we are saying thats why we want them to be tested on their bow hunting skills. Then it will stop them from buying a bow today then hunting tommarrow becouse they would have to practice then take and pass the test before hunting.


Quote: "Maybe we should draw up legislation to stop this." DUHHHHHHHH Thats what we are saying we should do.

Nmaineron all of those quotes were things you said. Have you even been reading what we are writing? I and others have answered your questions so why do you continue to argue. Read then understand PLEASE!

Everyone will have a deer get away sooner or later if they hunt. What we are trying to do is reduce the chances of that happening. We are not wanting to run people out of bow hunting. I think the people that have problems with test are worried about passing it. I also think these people don't understand you don't have to be a good shot for yourself you have to be a good shot for the deer you are shooting at WE ALL OWE IT TO THE GAME WE HUNT.

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Reaper, we are coming at this from to different directions.To me being able to shoot a bow has nothing to do with how you would do as a hunter.I am nobody special and when they set my bow up I was hitting a passable target before I left the shop.This does not make me a hunter.

The issue that got me involved was the suggestion that there should be mandatory testing for competency.I simply don't agree,there are to many variables that come into play when shooting in the field and to simulate that type of environment would be next to impossible.

I have through out my working career have had to take multiple competency tests.Not in any case is it ever reflective of actual working conditions.They are simply robotic walk throughs to satisfy some "there ought to be law" idea.Most "idiots" pass these tests with flying colors.In my eyes a waste of time and money and no real measure of competency.

If you want to incorporate a shooting phase into the safety course, be my guest.Be sure to sign up and see how effective it is.

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Man OH Man,...I NEVER thought I'd see the day when Tazman would support my buddy Wolfen68!!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle> Sorry,...I just had to go find another keyboard!!!! Better quit while I'm ahead!!!!

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TWANG in reality I think Wolfen and I agree on a lot more things than either of us will admit! LOL

Twang what is your opinion, would you let your kid go bow hunting if they couldn't hit a pie plate 6 out of 6 times at 20?

Would you let them go if they had no idea where the vitals are or what is a good or bad shot on a deer?

Do you feel it is fair to the deer for someone to be cut loose in the woods that would try a texas heart shot?

Twang I am pulling your chain!!! LOL

I must say I am surprised that wolfen has not said more.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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NMAINERON you still have not answered my question. &quot; how are you as a hunter over regulated&quot;?

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Not sure whether I am for or against a bow hunting competency test.

I have a few questions for those who would like one.

What distance do you feel the test should be taken at?

What is a passing score? 60%? 70%?

Most of us here could with very little practice pass a test with todays bows but what about those who use more primitive bows?
Should the test be the same for them?

Lets say for the sake of arguing that you had to hit a 20 yard target at an 85% rate.

Do you really think that this would eliminate people from taking bad shots and wounding deer? Seems to me that this would just eliminate new hunters. Maybe that is what some of us want?

When I first started with a bow I practiced some but not nearly enough to be what I would call compentent with a bow. I could hit a butter dish at 20 yards everytime but couldn't have hit the broadside of a barn standing inside of it past that distance. I just limited my shots to under 20 yards.

Do you really think a test would have prevented me from shooting beyond that if I had wanted to? No,it had to be a personal decision.

I don't disagree with a test but do not know how to make it fair with all people. No one takes a shooting test for guns and there is much more risk in gun hunting than with a bow.




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