Biscuit vs open rests
 

I have been watching the some showswhere guys are using aWhisker Biscuit style rest rather than some sort of open system. I was told that the biscuit were not good because of fletch contact, etc. Any one have opinons on the pros/cons of these rests?

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i know alot of guys shooting them. it opposite sides of the spectrum, the fall away to the biskuit. doesn't really make since. i think it's good for a hunting only setup. feathers may be a better choice.

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Not true.

It's a great rest.

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yeah, most people on here know i'm opposed to the WB, but that's me. Lots of guys swear by 'em and really like 'em....so it's up to you.

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My brother consistently shoots high 270's-280's in his 3D league with a WB.

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The only real arguement for a WB (IMO) is the fact that it captures your arrow. Supposidly this will help prevent your arrow from falling off the rest during a draw.

With that said, I'd rather push my arrows though air versus a brissle-brush. With the variety of drop-away's on the market, I'm sure you can find one that does what you want. I prefer the simplist, strongest possible designs. I like the Trophy Taker, simple, works, and won't budge once tuned.

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A friend of mine gave me a whisker biscuit and he went to a drop away rest, I used it this past deer season and didn't have problem with it at all. Holds the arrow securely when sitting in my stand and flys true when shot. I like mine.

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i love mine and if my camera phone would send teh pic to my email i would upload the pic of my tightest group yet that i shot yesterday which was 1/2 in and came extremely close to robinhooding at 25 yards and all you have to do it put a dab of super glue on the fletching

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Ever see a "Bisquit" on a target bow?

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Oh man! Here we go again. The whisker is a great rest, look how many are sold, look how many people use them.I use one.There are alot of good fall aways also.Use what u want.

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How about the guy who won in Vegas with a WB?

Does he count?

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Absolutely counts and proves a point in favor. I haven't got an opinion either way. Both styles work and I'll install what the customer wants.

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I am still waiting for the drop-away biscuit:D

No doubt drop away rest are more accurate. WB is a simpler design with way less chance for failure.
It all depands what you want to do.

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i use the buscuit and i have never had any problems with it, though i think my vanes are wearing out faster with it, because of the friction. might just be my imagination.

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I put a bisquit on my new Equalizer. Its simple and foolproof. I'm sure it is capable of providing more accuracy than I am and frankly at 40 yds and under its all I need for hunting.

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Another point for the whisker is that you dont have to tie a cord or anything to your down cable.

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very reliable no moving parts to fail and no arrow to fall off the rest when buck fever sets in because that monster buck is going to give you a shot!!!!!!!cons, weres the hell out of your feathers dont know if its a good competion rest but if a guy won vagas with one i mite have have to rethink that!!!!!!!!!! if you mostly hunt you will find a rest that is better!!! but what the HELL do i know!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

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Nope never seen one on a target bow, though I dont shoot much target, except 3D and see plenty of them there. If I was shooting target would not even want one. However, IMHO, as a hunter, and speed is not an issue with me, or contacting the fletch, I will always have one on. The arrow still passes throough and doesnt make any noise that I can hear, not a deer though, but again, knocks em dead, and it is one less thing to worry about in the stand or blind. The arrow does not fall off the rest and if you hang the bow on a hanger or place it in a blind bow holder, chances are when you reach for it, it might slip off the drop away and it is one less thing to worry as the deer or Tom approaches. So, for me I will always have one on my hunting and 3D bows! [8D][8D][8D]

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JLmoore - God Bless you guys in Iraq. Stay safe. As far as the biskit, I've never used one but my dad has one. He has to refletch his arrows every month because his vanes end up looking like ruffles potato chips. It's great for hunting but man it sure beats up on your arrows.

I use a QwikTune 2000 drop away with one of these arrow holders. It cost me 5 bucks. I can turn my bow upside down and my arrow won't fall off.

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m Thanks, we are doing our jobs for everyone back home!

I usually have to refletch after each season. It does play heck with feathers and my vanes kept stripping off, which could have been the way I did it more then vanes, but now that I can get my turkey wings into fletch, I do it and I can keep my arrows plenty fletched!

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A friend of mine uses one and I was just looking at replacing mine. Maybe WB? The reason I want a new one is that mine is a little noisy. It was 'affordable at the time and shot wellenoughbut I want as much silence as I can especially when I am in the middle of my draw. Anyone have a solution to my noise, are WB quiet, what is a quiet rest? My carbon arrows sound like someone is blowing on a strw, deer spook.

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I use an open rest, but good friend uses theW/B here is a TECH TIP in a HUNTING loop, but armor all greatly reduces friction both in the arrow contact and of course the flech contact, it is suposed to dry odorless, but what are our noses to a white tail. still works well for him..

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Can you prove that?



Just a side note for any and all of the people who have posted about a WB wearing their vanes down on their arrows. I would advise you to re-check the setup of your WB (and bow) If you are using a newer WB you should not be getting vane damage. I have been shooting a WB for 3 years now and my vanes are just fine.

Look closely at your WB ring (around the bristles) I am willing to bet you will see scrapes where your vanes are contacting the outer disc..........either that or you are shooting a newer WB and don't have the cock vane up on your arrows causing one or more vanes to drag through the stiff lower black bristles.

I did a nice little experiment with pics in the tech forum last year I think with arrows shot through my biscuit setup pefectly and a little out of tune......and WAY out of tune. The pefect setup showed no vane wear......the little off setup produced mild wear (that would build up over time) and the WAY off tune setup actually tore a vane off within 10 shots. The disc is what wears vanes down on WB in the vast majority of cases IMO........this can be easily fixed and will result in better accuracy as well.

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atlasman,

gonna have to take a look at mine, though I use fletch and I think it just real feathers.

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Agree with atlasman. If you are getting severe vane damage, more than likely the setup is not tuned. Thats the tricky part with a WB. You can be out of tune and the biscuit will straighten the arrow flight out enough to get pretty good groups. The severity of vane damage is usually a pretty good indication of how bad its out of tune. As far as speed, its not enough to notice. Plus, aren't you losing about the same speed by tying a string to the cable? One last thing that makes me laugh - I see a lot of people argue that the less moving parts the less chance of something failing when talking about mechanical blades but then turn around and try to say how probably a contraption with more moving parts than anything sold for a bow is better than the most simple. I'm sure drop-aways are good but so is a WB.

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I love my WB but am curious to know if anyone shoots a helical through it and if so any problems? I have been shooting bohnning vane slight offset but had some arrows made up with feathers, some right helical and some offset just to see how they shoot. I love the way feathers look and hope they hold up well with the WB. If so I'll be doing all my arrows with feathers and R helical, if not I want to at least fletch them up with R helical vanes. Any input is welcome

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I shoot RH helical fletched blazers through my delux model with no damage at all to the vanes. I have been shooting one particular test arrow repeatedly and now have over 150 shots on it with absolutely no damage to the vanes.

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I know lots of people who love them. My older brother would be one of those people. I tried one and did not like it. The advantage I found was that it keeps the arrow from falling off the rest, but that same advantage is present in a good old Muzzy zero effects. As you can tell, Muzzy is my favorite rest. But like I said, I know people who love the biscut.

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I also fletched up some arrows last year with a right helical to see what happened..........flew great, and no vane damage.

I ALWAYS go for perfect arrow flight when adjusting my bow........that is something else to look for with the WB as well. As said already it will straighten your arrow out for you and result in decent groups but if you notice that arrow fishtailing or porpoising(sp?) or corkscrewing on it's way to the target then you know your arrow is not coming off that string straight. Get it dialed in and you will be amazed at how flat and laser beam straight those arrows will fly.

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Basic logic, all things being equal, shootingout of a robot. It would be impossible to measure the difference. Since Robots do not shoot bows and human do, here is where I see the difference. We jerk trigger, torquer the bow, etc. Drop aways do not punished a bad shot as much. Simple logic the arrow is on the rest longer on a biscuit; thereforearrow is off target more.

The noise a biscuit makes is to loud when I draw the arrow back, I like complete silence. I can get that using a drop away, which is why I use the UltraRest. Accuray is key, but it has to be quiet, I know some guys put some felt on biscuits and get them very quiet. What ever works for you and what you want.

When I am talking about noise I am trying to shoot a mature whitetail, not fawns. Older deer do not look up in a tree when they here a noise(90% time) they run. Younger deer look up and go what the heck is that?

When you choose a rest take all these factors, I do not care what rest you use if you hold steady and pull the trigger smooth. The arrow WILL GO where you Aim 100% time

Side note I am a moron, I see the post is about open rest, not drop-away. Ignore my more accurate comment!!

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WB fanatics......have you tried shooting Quick Spins through that thing? I did.....lol. Experiment yourself.....and get back to me.

I'm glad someone (well several have) else posted about the WB noise. Maybe Atlas won't think I'm the only person that's ever had a noise problem with a WB.

I HAVE hunted, before. I am not a moron. I can hear.

Jeff

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I posted I was moron, because I did not read the title, Drop-aways are not part of this thread.

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I used a WB for 3 years and had very good luck with it hunting. The biggest problem I had was that I was shooting plastic vanes and they got chewed up pretty fast. Last Summer I switched to an Ultra Rest drop-awaywhich still "captures" the arrow but no fletching contact. My groups tightened up as well.....

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I'm a big proponent of the Whisker Biscuit so I will chime in here. I feel it's a great hunting/all around rest. It's plenty accurate for 99% of the people reading this, and in the right hands is just as accurate as any other rest on the market today. It's full proof ie: no moving parts to break or go out of tune.

It's key that you set it upright and that starts with the correct size opening. For the most part if you are shooting a stardard carbon arrow youshould be using the large opening biscuit. Next you should tune your bow. Start off with a true center shot (to your string)a 90deg. arrow nock, even tiller and go from there.

I shoot the standard el-cheapo 4in vanes with no sign of wear and no noise at all. I'm not doing anything special nor am I some "expert tuner" so anybody can get these results.

As far as the whole "Biscuit shooters need to have better form" is just not true. You all must remember that no matter what kind of rest you choose, drop away, prong, biscuit, etc... the arrow is STILL attached to the string and poor form will effect arrow flight. It's not untilthe arrowleaves the string that it's truely "on it's own".

As a hunter I feel there is nothing on the market better, it just does it's job plain and simple. Nothing special about it, no cool levers or pull strings, no adjustable springs or settings. No need to add additionalgizmos to the rest to get it to capture your arrow. (God knows those little glue on arrow holders never come off, especiallyin the rain.....at the wrong time:eek:)

Just put it on, tune it and forget about it......go hunt.

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turtleshell - I use right helical and love it. It seems feathers hold up better but the plastic does just fine. Back when I used a Bodoodle Pro I still changed vanes out. If you shoot any at all you will wear out vanes one way or another.

The WB is no different than any other rest in that you need to tune your bow for best performance. It is different in that it is more forgiving if tuning is not at its best. As far as noise, yes, I've gotten noise from mine (yes, I have the correct size biscuit). Using xx78 Superslams I got some pretty good noise. I waxed the alums and it seemed to get rid of the noise but I ended up going to Beman ICS Hunter Elites and get zero noise. If you shoot alums it might be a problem. I love my SS's but I can't complain about the Bemans therefore no problem for me.

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I need help. I just bought a new bow (xt) and had the biscuit put on it. I didn't exactly like the way it was put on, so I remounted it. Well I have had the bow for 4 days and have shot it about 6 hours worth. My brand new vains look like they are years old. They are wrinkled up from end to end. Every vain is wrinkled. Also, I noticed the arrows themselves are getting scuffed up. So from previous posts it appears that my bow is out of tune and possibly badly out of tune. If it were out of tune, would all the vanes be damaged or only some of them? Can I tune it in with the wrinkled vains? If so, where do I start? I did see the arrows fishtailing the past two days, but there was a strong cross wind.

Additional info: Carbon arrows, 4 inch vanes, Large WB.

thanks for the help

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If you are only getting damage on some of your arrows and not others then I would check the arrow nock rotations. Most if not all of the ICS style carbons on the market are compression fit and can be rotated for proper "clearance" or alignment in this case. If you are only getting fletching wear on some arrows and not others then it may be because of fletching alignment. However, the bow probably is out of proper center shot and nock height alignment if you are getting significant wear on most if not all of your vanes.

I do not personally shoot a WB but I have set up hundreds if not thousands for customers down at the shop. They are inarguably the most popular hunting rest available at the shop and there is a decent selection. Folks like the simplicity, low noise levels (with the carbons in stock), and foolproofness of the rest. Price isn't that bad either when you compare it to some of the other models/styles on the market.

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All my vanes are getting trashed uniformly. At this rate, I will be refletching every week.

How do I align center shot? I thought about aligning the center of the biscuit hole with the string and the center of the limbs, then I realized that the string is centered on the top lim and off set on the lower.

Now knock height: What is the proper position? My old setup (tm hunter) was having the knock point 1/8 inch above square on the sting.

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The best way to get center shot is take your bow to a proshop. They should have a laser device used to get centershot. This will put you on the right path. Go to eastons website, they have a guided on how to tune tour bow. It works great!