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Stinkbelly,
The first thing you need to do is paper tune your bow. The paper tear will tell you how to adjust the rest and or nock point ( as well as general bow setup ). Next make sure that the bisquit is installed perfectly square to the string, if its tilting that causes excess pressure and noise. Next refletch your arrow with Bohning Blazers and lastly if you don't now try using a string loop, I found this rest needs one.

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Thanks for the tips on R helicals guys. For the guy that sid his NAP quickspins didn't work if you ask NAP they'll tell you that they don't reccommend quickspins through a WB;)

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They are a downgrade from my 2" Blazers so no thanks.


Arrows make noise when they are dragged across ANY rest......or shelf or whatever. The bristles of a WB are not gonna be any louder then a prong rest or your riser and prongs of a drop away. I've shot all of them and listened to countless other guys shoot them as well. My contention lies with your assertion that the noise on draw from a WB is a problem. It surely is not IMO and in fact is less then you will get from the majority of rests available.........especially in the WB price range. I have yet to see a single deer react to the sound of my bow being drawn. If you want to hang your hat on ONE single isolated case that you THINK a deer heard you vs the countless thousands of cases where no one else seems to have that problem then by all means feel free to do so.



So HAS everyone else........Neither are they........They can too.

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I used to use a regular rest for years, then went to a drop away for a few years and now have been using a WB for the last3 years with no problems at all. Never noticed any difference in noise but then again I never did any scientific DB readings, Im basing my analasys off the deers reactions to every shot before using a WB and after I switched.I tell you one things its nice to know your arrow will be in place after drawing, while moving into position to make a shot.

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Amen.

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The W.B. rest is the best!

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I wouldnt suggest quickspins for anything other that target shooting. I tested them when they first came out and found out they are loud and not very durable. They will also cause you to lose some energy causing your shaft to drop a little at longer ranges. The 3inc was better than the 4 inch. Id stick with regular vanes or better yet, blazers.

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Stinkbelly,

Try thisfirst......Set up the biscuit with a center shot (to the string), next make sure the biscuit itself is level (not tilted forward or back) set yournock at 90deg. and your tiller even. You can start your tuning process from there. I have found that the Whisker Biscuits I have set updid not need much more adjustment (if any) from this set up.The ones that did were mostly with adjusting the center shot. I haveyet to need to adjust the tiller or nock position.

If you are having trouble setting it up get to a good pro shop and have them set it up to the basic settings listed above and tune from there.

Good luck

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I will disagree with you, My Ultra rest, and some high quailty felt and my Carbon Express arrows with buff tuff are just silent. Zero Effect which I have on my hoyt is silent also. I havesome buddies who have put some felt on there WB andgot themsilent.

All depends on thepressure the deer have in the deer inyour area. I just laughed when I watch the "Hunting Shows"they pull back bow and you can hear the arrow noise as they pull back. Deer inNorthen MI runto the next county at odd noise. Now in on my farmI can get away with more noise, the deer are now as educated as they are in Northen MI.

Atlas in NY on public land has some pretty coached deer(I assume). His setup is very quiet. My buddy in Iowa can get away with a bit more noise then me on my farm. He has shot some pigs in Iowa, 202 '' and a 190 ''. He came up here to hunt with me, had a nice buck come in. He reached for his bow, deer look right up at him, then took off. He has never had a deer pick him off before. Deer in Iowa are not as educated as here in MI. Iowa 350,000 Hunters gun and bow. MI 350,000 bowhunters, 760,000 Gun hunters. NY is right up there with MI. I am not going to make ablanket statment about any rest for a hunter. It all depends on serval factors, which are all different for each of us. Some are the same, but we all have are personal prefernces.

My issue with the WB is plain and simple, I hate the way it looks. That is the only reasonI do not use it. If i hunted northen MI I would have to put some felt on it to get a little quiter. It is a great rest, just not for me.

I have installed WB on my dad's(only hunts our farm)bow, and it is my belief WB is the BEST rest foryouth hunters.

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My response to that would be that your rest is not silent........the high quality felt and choice of arrows is.......that can be said about any rest. In that same frame of thought every drop way out there is louder then anything else.........because your arrow has to be dragged along the riser shelf before it gets picked up by the forks........without felt they are useless...........and in turn they are not quiet........the felt is. I don't have to add anything to my WB for it to be nice and quiet. Honestly, I don't get the noise complaints.........and I am a stickler for sound IMO.



I agree..........that is why I can't imagine deer being spooked by a WB. The deer I hunt in the state lands of WNY are under relentless pressure and will jump through the clouds if they hear a mouse fart 2 fields over. I haven't had a problem yet.



Yes..........and yes.


That is funny............I swear that the deer in NY have evolved to include scanning the trees as part of their natural habits now. I firmly believe they have been educated to hunters in stands and I commonly see deer looking up as often as they check the ground level around them. Once the leaves fall in NY it becomes very difficult to find a good spot in a climber where you don't stick out like a sore thumb........they will spot you even if you don't move...........I try to find areas I can hunt transition zones of pines to hardwoods late in the year to hopefully get the pines at my back and just hope they don't see me before I see them.

I imagine Michigan being pretty similar.

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Ghem....I hear ya....and agree.

What people don't probably know is I own 4 bows. I have the WB on three of them (the Illusion my son hunts with....the old PSE and the old Jennings). It's a WONDERFUL rest.....and I know people have great success with it.

On the surface Atlas....I agree that ALL rests make noise. It was just a LOT easier to stealthenize (dang right that's a word....or it is, now) my drop-away with a little bit of moleskin.

Hey.....I think the rest you use is a great invention. It's just not for me. I have my reasons. Just becasue someone doesn't think they're valid......doesn't bother me. Some people think the ballMickelson uses is a P.O.S.. They can't figure out why he doesn'tlike"their" brand.Go figure.

Jeff

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Atlas:

I, too, use Blazers. I use them BECAUSE I tried Quickspins (and was still utilizing the biscuit). It IS a good thing you don't like QS's. lol......

Jeff

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Well my arrow is not dragged accross my riser shelf. I use the Ultra Rest(Up position)for that exact reason. This baby is silent to the deer standing 5 yds away or right underneath my tree. I guess whenI use the term silent to the deer standing at least 5 yds away or underneath my tree.

If you stick your ear right next to it, you may hear some noise, but it is unlikley. I spend many hours on this each year. I used the TM hunter, my heat shrink had a hole in it. Pulled back and watch 140'' 8 run away. I was 16 not to bright, now I really focus on the noise my bow makes.

Did you buy a new bow yet?, go shoot a Ross they are one smooth bow.

Exactly people thing I am nuts whenI tell them deer look for hunters in the treesv here. I believe it is part of there natural instinct these days to look in trees.

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Your arrow doesn't make any noise being dragged through and over that plastic fork? What about if yu turned your bow and it hit the top bar?? That looks like it would "click" around in there if the bow was tilted or tipped. If you already said you put felt on it I must have missed it.

Nope........I'm in no hurry. Have to find an Equalizer to shoot first.


Without a doubt........so much so that when all the leaves fall I feel like the deck is really stacked against me around here and I won't even hunt in a bunch of trees that I would consider "money" spots in early fall.

Late season with little to no leaves around here puts an absolute premium on seeing the deer early and planning your moves accordingly. When I see these guys on TV see a deer and turn around and grab their bow off the tree and then use their binocs or range finders as he approaches I just laugh...........if I moved half that much the deer wouldn't stop running until he hit the next area code. I LOVE my WB for that exact reason.......I set my bow on it's side across the rail of my Goliath and if something walks up I can grab my bow and get ready without ever having to take my eyes off the deer.

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My ultra is felted up to the extreme, and I do not plan to tip my my bow upside down. I pretty much stand the whole time in the stand. I use the realtree bow hooks. Puts by bow right next to me. Just reach over grab and shoot.They all work!!!

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My thoughts on the WB is this.I installed one on my bow a while back and shot it for about 2 months of hard shooting so i feel like i gave it a fair try but it just wasn't for me. I found the WB to be extremely quite on the draw and on the shot with my Goldtips. A couple feathers on my arrows got ripped off to begin with but then i started putting a little dab of goatuff glue on the leading edge of the fletching and it didn't happenanymore. The very edge of the feathers showed some wear but it didn't seem to affect the flight of the arrow in anyway.
Now for the accuracy. I found the WB to be just as accurate as any of the other rest i've used out to about 40yds and i say this because thats about my limit when i shoot. Let me add that i'ma deer hunter and hunt strickly from treestands. I shot the WB with very good accuracy on the ground with both field points and broadheads. My problemstarted once i gotelevated in a treestand. I would have several arrows to hit the bulleye but just could not get away from an occasional flyer. I know i don't have perfect form and i have no doubt that the flyers were coming from my form/grip not being consistent. IMO the WB with it's total capture isn't as forgiving as some of the other rest out there and if there are any flaws in your form/grip it will bring them out or at least i feel that was the case with me.I loved the WB and it's design with it's arrow capture and simplicity and i tried to talk myself into keeping it and hunting with it but accuracy means everything to me and i just wasn't 100% confident with the occasional flyer i kept getting while using it. I've went back to aGKF premier that i converted to a fallaway andi don't get those flyers and thats the main reason i say it was me and not the WB. I think the WB is an excellent hunting rest no doubt about that but i personallyalso think it's not for everyone. Confidence is everything when shooting a bow, gun or even a slingshot as far as that goes and i just didn't have it 100% with the WB. Don't take this post the wrong way because i am in no way bashing the WB. Heck,i may even buy another one some day and give it another try. Again this is just my opinion based on my experience with the WB, and we know what they say about opinions.:D
>-----------> Mike