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Whisker Biscuit Rest
I am sure that this has been mentioned in a prior post, but...
As some of you know, I got my very first bow about 4 weeks ago now, and it came with a whisker biscuit arrow rest. I was drawing it back today and noticed really for the first time the semi-load scraping noise that the "whiskers" make on the alluminum easton arrow shafts. This noise is not too loud, but when I see a big buck walk out, I don't want to spook him while pulling the string back. What should I do? Rub a little bowstring wax on the arrow shaft? Anybody else notice this, or am I just being over-critical? Others have whisker biscuits and have had no problems? Thanks all. |
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I dont shoot a whisker biscuit but I think they all make that noise and a many a deer has been put down using the whisker biscuit. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I was getting some noise, also. It wasn't much but seemed like enough. You probably know the biscuits come in different size holes and the hole should be slightly larger than the arrow you're using. I had plenty of clearance with mine but still got some noise. I tried lightly sanding the arrows but didn't seem to help. Then I waxed them with my bowstring wax and it pretty much fixed the noise. I didn't care much for the feel of waxed aluminum, though.[8D] I ended up just going with carbons. I've always liked aluminum better but the carbons shoot just fine and no noise with the WB. Good luck.
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I'd be hesitant about any sound. But that's just me. That's why I like the Drop away rests. I've never heard a peep from mine!
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I shoot the WB and although I've noticed a little scratching noise while shooting in my basement, I don't think it is really toomuch of a problem. I can hear the noise inside when I shoot, but whenever I am hunting, I haven't been able to notice it do to the surrounding noise. i.e. the wind, leaves, and birds. Like somebody else said, make sure your arrows have clearence and you should be ok.
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I drew on a doe at 15 yards and she heard the noise of me drawing back and bolted out of range. I did manage to harvest a deer that year when I had the whisker bisquit. My bow made more noise when I wasn't using a string loop. When I put a string loop on the noise went away.
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Switch to carbon arrows, I shoot a WB and have very little draw noise with carbons
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Or save some money bykeeping the arrows and switch to a better rest. ;)
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If the deer can hear that sound then he can hear you breathing. I've killed plenty with my biscuit and never spooked one yet. I love the WB
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I'm no expert at all with the WB, never bought into the concept at all, but you may try keeping your aluminum arrow shafts as clean as possible. Try using some car wax, it may make a big difference. Let me know.
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I'm happy to hear others respond RE: the noise. I've stated on here before.....that I LOVE the biscuit. The concept is phenomenal. BUT....I had worked to get my stand to within 9 yds of an active scrape....and the minor noise from the biscuit spooked my buck. No one was there....except me.....so they can't elude to what spooked my buck. The noise from the biscuit got his attention (and in all honesty...he didn't bolt.....he just went on full-alert).
I went to the archery shop and bought a drop-away, that afternoon (brand is not important). A little bit of moleskin.....and it's 100% stealth. jeff |
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you can trim the wiskers also and that will probly help and switch to carbons.
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I had the same problem and this is how I made my WB 100% silent. Cut a 2" piece of mole skin just wide enough to fit through the hole and attach both ends of the mole skin under the rest (metal part). This is covering the bristles and the arrow is then resting on top of the mole skin making it silent. Be sure that the arrow does not fit tightly in the hole once your mole skin is on. This has worked great for me.
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Thanks for all of the advise. I will try a few of the cheapy ideas like the wax, and moleskin first, but just may have to move to a drop away. I like the whisker biscuit design though.
I'll keep you posted. Thanks again. |
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I use the WB with carbon arrows and have not had a problem with the deer hearing the draw. The only noise they hear is the arrow going thru them. Good luck with making your arrows work. The cheaper the fix the better IMO.
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ORIGINAL: wineguy Thanks for all of the advise. I will try a few of the cheapy ideas like the wax, and moleskin first, but just may have to move to a drop away. I like the whisker biscuit design though. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again. You are worried over nothing IMO. I have never had a deer spook due to any sound coming from my rest. Anyone who says that deer bolted when they drew their bow has no way of knowing whether that deer heard something, saw their motion, or both. My guess would be the movement of the draw is what got them busted..............it's much easier to blame a sound though because then it's not your fault ;) If a deer gets close enough for me to draw an arrow through my WB....the only sound he will hear is my mouth grunt and the thud of a broadhead as it hits home. |
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Atlasman:
We've been round and round on this.....and the only question I have of you is....were you there the day the bicusit made the noise that put my buck on full alert? Also....why wouldanyone want to grunt at a buck that is standing still.....braodside tothem @ 9yds. ? I agree.....if the buck were moving......if ANYTHING were moving.....then the VERY MINOR (admittedly) noise of the carbon arrow being drawn through the biscuit would be a NON-ISSUE (again, admittedly). ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was moving (believe it or not....not even me). If you can hear ANY noise when you draw your carbon arrow through your biscuit.....then you'll see what I was talking about. If you can hear ANY noise at all ....then you hear more than I do with my drop-away. That's the bottom line, for me.....and the reason I switched. I'm happy the biscuit works for you. I wish you luck. Jeff |
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Sounds goofy, but try wiping your arrows down with Armor-All, I've found that it sometimes cures the sound problem!!
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Um....Armor all??
I'm NO hunting expert.....but what about the SMELL???? Jeff |
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Get the right size opening for your size arrow and the noise will be very minor. Yes, mine makes a little noise but my clothes make more noise than my rest does when I draw. I have had deer within 10yds that never knew what hit them.
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I have too, BigJ......but there were leaves and other items making noise. When it is DEAD quiet.....that minor noise from the biscuit is all I'm referring to. That's it.
I just wasn't happy with that aspect of the rest. I've got a biscuit on both of my son's bows. It is a great rest. Jeff |
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SB,
I agree there is usually some kind of other noise, be it a slight wind or the deer walking etc... That all helps in masking your drawsound. My point was the noisemy biscuit makes is less than what my clothes do when I draw. So on a dead quiet dayI'm only concerned about the amount of noise I make rather than my bow. Even with ultra quiet clothes, they still make noise when you move. |
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BigJ,
Good point. I bought my bow used on ebay and it came with the biscuit and the arrows, I was just assuming that the other guy knew what he was doing... might have been a bad assumption! I will check the size of the biscut to my arrow size. I am probably just over analyzing this noise,the only way to to truly find out is to go hunting and see how it goes. (Everybody knows that the smallest sound sounds huge when you are about to take an animal!). Thanks for the input. |
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Wineguy,
Odds are it's the wrong size. I went into detail about this on another thread, below is a cut and paste of what I said. If you are shooting standard carbon arrows you shoulduse the large opening biscuit. NOT the medium unless your carbons are thin.This can be confusing because the package shows the mediumbiscuitisrecommended forarrowswith a20XX or smaller thickness while the large biscuitis for23XX or smaller thickness. Howeveryouwill also notice that you should have a0.03 gap at the topbetweenthe arrow and the biscuit as well as some around the sides. I have found that with the medium biscuit,while I dohavea gap at the top of thearrow,it's not quiteenoughfor my BemanICS 340Camo Hunters which are about theaverage size carbon arrows. The large biscuit allowsa little more room and I think it makes a huge difference. Below is the size chart from Carolina Archery. Notice the Large is recommended for 23XX (.359) or smaller aluminum arrows but does not mention carbon at all. I think this is where people go wrong when buying. They don't see the word "carbon" so they assume it's only for aluminum arrows.I feel the medium 20XX(.312) is ever so slightly too smallfor my arrows are that areslightly larger than.32 therefore I should be using the next size larger for a proper fit.  To make matters evenmore confusing onsome of the older packagingonly shows sizes for:outsert carbon biscuit, insert carbon buscuit,aluminum biscuit and fishing biscuit and I think added to the mess. The packagingstates thatthe "outsert carbon biscuit" is .26 and is the recommended size for outserted carbon arrows, 17XX or smaller aluminum arrows and NOT recommended for inserted carbon arrows. The "insert carbon biscuit" is.32 and is the "recommended" size for an inserted carbon arrowbutcan also be used with anoutserted carbon arrowor withaluminum arrows that are 20XX or smaller. The "aluminum biscuit" .36is recommended foraluminum arrows but can also be used for both inserted and outserted carbon arrows. I think most people miss this andjust buy the .32 because it says "insert carbon arrow" Now, I'm not saying you have to go out and buy a micrometer and measure your arrows just to buy this rest. What I am saying is, if you are shooting an inserted carbon arrow, (probably the most common) odds are you are right around .32 +/- andthe medium biscuit is, at bestborderline big enough.You will get better results by shooting the large biscuit. |
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Thanks for the repost BigJ12. That sure explains a lot. My only concern with a larger opening, is that there will be too much arrow movement and that I wont get a clean release? Is this not a real concern?
Thanks Again. |
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The size hole will make a huge difference. I have an Alpine Micro Quad I got from a buddy and he had a biscuit on there that was too small. Even drawing carbons thru it made a pretty good noise. I changed it out to a larger biscuit and no noise. I was getting a small amount of noise with the aluminums, though, even with the extra large hole and plenty of clearance. It wasn't much but enough to make me go with the carbons. Not a big deal. I'm O.K. with the carbons and the WB. If I ever decide to go back to aluminums I'll put on a drop away. But I'm getting great groups with the WB and no complaints with the carbons so it may be awhile before any change.
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ORIGINAL: SBGobblers Atlasman: We've been round and round on this.....and the only question I have of you is....were you there the day the bicusit made the noise that put my buck on full alert? Also....why wouldanyone want to grunt at a buck that is standing still.....braodside tothem @ 9yds. ? I agree.....if the buck were moving......if ANYTHING were moving.....then the VERY MINOR (admittedly) noise of the carbon arrow being drawn through the biscuit would be a NON-ISSUE (again, admittedly). ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was moving (believe it or not....not even me). If you can hear ANY noise when you draw your carbon arrow through your biscuit.....then you'll see what I was talking about. If you can hear ANY noise at all ....then you hear more than I do with my drop-away. I'm happy the biscuit works for you. I wish you luck. Jeff |
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BigJ12,
Here is a photograph of one of my arrows nocked. Do you think this is enough room in the biscuit? Thanks.  |
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Sorry, forgot to ask,Like I said before: this bow is used and came with everything on it... I have no idea what "Size" the whisker biscuit is. I can't find it stamped anywhere on the rest...any ideas?
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ORIGINAL: wineguy BigJ12, Here is a photograph of one of my arrows nocked. Do you think this is enough room in the biscuit? Thanks.
Unless that photo is deceiving me I would say your WB is not setup very well. It looks like your bristles are getting worn out a little high and slightly right(the pic is looking from the arrow tip correct??)........this would indicate your arrow is not going through the hole straight. Shouldn't make a difference on the draw as far as noise goes but maybe those toasted bristle ends are what is noisy?? |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: wineguy BigJ12, Here is a photograph of one of my arrows nocked. Do you think this is enough room in the biscuit? Thanks.
Unless that photo is deceiving me I would say your WB is not setup very well. It looks like your bristles are getting worn out a little high and slightly right(the pic is looking from the arrow tip correct??)........this would indicate your arrow is not going through the hole straight. Shouldn't make a difference on the draw as far as noise goes but maybe those toasted bristle ends are what is noisy?? Ithink someone had done some "trimming" to the biscuit. This is not needed if the correct size is used. I also think (unless the photo is deceiving) there is NOT enough room as well. If you look closely at the diagramon page 3you will see that only the very bottom of the arrow should be touching the biscuit. There is daylight almost all the way around. On my set up my arrow rests on the black part only. It is very accurate and causes no damage to even the cheapest of vanes. When I was using the medium opening my vanes would wrinkle slightly. I was able to fix the problem by switching to better quality vanes. Since I switched to the large opening...no problems and like I said not even with cheap vanes. You don't need to buy a new rest just go out and get the larger biscuit only (they are sold separately) theycost about $10.00 - $12.00 around me. What size arrows are you using? You should probably use a large or extra large biscuit depending on the size of your aluminum arrows. For most carbons large is the ticket. |
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Anyone who says that deer bolted when they drew their bow has no way of knowing whether that deer heard something, saw their motion, or both. My guess would be the movement of the draw is what got them busted..............it's much easier to blame a sound though because then it's not your fault ;) When I used the Goldtip arrows is when it made the most noise. I used string wax and it quieted it up a bit. Then I switched to the Bemans and the problem was gone. The carbon arrows with no finish are alot noisier than your finished carbons. |
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Doug, I have to agree. I was getting noise from the aluminums and it was definitely loud enough to spook a deer. I went to Beman ICS Hunter Elites and have no noise or next to nothing.
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If a deer gets close enough for me to draw an arrow through my WB....the only sound he will hear is my mouth grunt and the thud of a broadhead as it hits home. I guess I could say I drove 100 MPH in my car....and you could say I didn't. I'll go ahead and drop this. The word "futile" comes to mind. I think if you'll look at some of the subsequent posts to mine, though.....you'll see that I'm not the only person that's shared the "biscuit" experience. Again....have a good day. Jeff |
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YES, Doug.
I use unfinished carbon arrows. My son has the biscuit on his Illusion.....and he was shooting some Axis arrows through it, once. NO noise. I just didn't like the Axis arrow enough to switch. Jeff |
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Smooth arrows will be very quiet on the whisker biscuit arrowrest.
If youhave to use arrows that are not smooth on a hunt, you can make the rest quieter to use by placing cotton from a Q-tip or an asprin bottle on the bottom of the rest. Or you can improvise some wool yarn from a sweater or your socks for the same effect. Some people cut a narrow strip of moleskin and wrap the bottom bristles of the rest with it so the arrow rides on moleskin on the draw. Whatever works, works for me. Good luck hunting! >>>------------> |
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ORIGINAL: BGHUNTER00 I had the same problem and this is how I made my WB 100% silent. Cut a 2" piece of mole skin just wide enough to fit through the hole and attach both ends of the mole skin under the rest (metal part). This is covering the bristles and the arrow is then resting on top of the mole skin making it silent. Be sure that the arrow does not fit tightly in the hole once your mole skin is on. This has worked great for me. |
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I dont use whiker biscuits but this is the first bad thing I have heard about them. I use a drop rest and get no noise. As in the wax I would say no, I would think the wax would throw the arrow off balance in the air but im not sure
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ORIGINAL: turtleshell ORIGINAL: BGHUNTER00 I had the same problem and this is how I made my WB 100% silent. Cut a 2" piece of mole skin just wide enough to fit through the hole and attach both ends of the mole skin under the rest (metal part). This is covering the bristles and the arrow is then resting on top of the mole skin making it silent. Be sure that the arrow does not fit tightly in the hole once your mole skin is on. This has worked great for me. If you wrap athin stripof mole skin over the black bristles only (from front to back) then the fletchings will not touch it as long as you have the cock vane/feather up. I have heard of this but never needed to do it. Again with the proper size opening my Beman ICS 340 Camo Hunters make less noise than my clothes do when I draw......It's very quiet. |
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I bought a new bow (PSE Fire Storm) this past fall and was setting it up and a friend of mine gave me his old whisker biscuit rest. The whisker biscuit was the full circle type that didn't have the "wedge" cut out. I too experienced a little noise once in the woods and in my treestand. I later used vaseline on my arrow shafts which eliminated most noise that I had heard before. I use carbon arrows I might add. They sell vaseline in a tube that is used for chapped lips, it works just fine and is compact to put in your pants or shirt pocket.
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