Tree Stand Ethics
10-18-2002, 08:43 AM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 343
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
NJ Hunter,
I'm not sure the regs in every state but here in Iowa we can leave ourstands hanging all seson but they have to be taken down two weeks after the season and can't be put back up until two weeks before the season starts in the fall. If somebody were to leave them up year round I would check your local regs and get the local DNR to take them down.
I hunt public land with two other friends, between the three of us we have about 12 stands up. Are we monopolizing the area? Not even close. The area we hunt is so large we couldn't even begin to cover all the good spots. Now I realize that not everybody has such a large public area near but if you're hunting a 5 acre peice of public ground and see ten stand then I think I would be looking for someplace a little less traveled anyway.
Let's do look at this in a different light: Instead of going in to work today you decide to catch a ballgame. You get there early, get a general admission ticket and scout out the best seat in the section. In the third inning nature calls and you've gotta do something about those two beers you washed your nachos down with. You get back to your seat ten minutes later and there's someone sitting in it. Hey, it's a public stadium, your ticket doesn't give you claim to that specific seat, just because you got there first and got the seat you wanted doesn't mean that guy who strolled in late doesn't have just as much right to it does it? Hey, you can always go somewhere else to sit 40 rows back or so. You got your binocs?
Bottom line, this is both a courtesy and an ethics issue. I would hope that most hunters would recognize that somebody else had found and set-up in that spot before they did. It's too bad that you might find an area you really like but somebody already has a stand set-up over that trail. As a hunter though you should recognize the work that person put into findng that spot and respect them for having the skill to select a spot that you obviously agree is a good selection. You sound like you are a respectful person because you refuse to sit in somebody else's stand despite your anger, but setting a stand 10 - 20 yards from somebody elses would be like casting your lure over the bow of somebody else's boat.
I'm not sure the regs in every state but here in Iowa we can leave ourstands hanging all seson but they have to be taken down two weeks after the season and can't be put back up until two weeks before the season starts in the fall. If somebody were to leave them up year round I would check your local regs and get the local DNR to take them down.
I hunt public land with two other friends, between the three of us we have about 12 stands up. Are we monopolizing the area? Not even close. The area we hunt is so large we couldn't even begin to cover all the good spots. Now I realize that not everybody has such a large public area near but if you're hunting a 5 acre peice of public ground and see ten stand then I think I would be looking for someplace a little less traveled anyway.
Let's do look at this in a different light: Instead of going in to work today you decide to catch a ballgame. You get there early, get a general admission ticket and scout out the best seat in the section. In the third inning nature calls and you've gotta do something about those two beers you washed your nachos down with. You get back to your seat ten minutes later and there's someone sitting in it. Hey, it's a public stadium, your ticket doesn't give you claim to that specific seat, just because you got there first and got the seat you wanted doesn't mean that guy who strolled in late doesn't have just as much right to it does it? Hey, you can always go somewhere else to sit 40 rows back or so. You got your binocs?
Bottom line, this is both a courtesy and an ethics issue. I would hope that most hunters would recognize that somebody else had found and set-up in that spot before they did. It's too bad that you might find an area you really like but somebody already has a stand set-up over that trail. As a hunter though you should recognize the work that person put into findng that spot and respect them for having the skill to select a spot that you obviously agree is a good selection. You sound like you are a respectful person because you refuse to sit in somebody else's stand despite your anger, but setting a stand 10 - 20 yards from somebody elses would be like casting your lure over the bow of somebody else's boat.
10-18-2002, 09:02 AM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Omaha Nebraska USA
Posts: 530
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
I agree with both NJ and Sooner above. I do agree that if this is public land you have the right to set your stand up anywhere you want. However, Sooner makes a very good point that you could be getting into a serious confrontation with someone you do not know who may have a short and violent fuse and carrying a lethal weapon. When you weigh things up and you have your wife and kids waiting for you to come home or you 'fighting it out' to get a deer, the price you could pay for that deer is too great. I would not take the chance myself.
-Brad
Eastern Nebraska Bowhunter
-Brad
Eastern Nebraska Bowhunter
10-18-2002, 09:16 AM
#13
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pound WI USA
Posts: 429
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
I don't hunt any public land, but I believe that here in WI you can't leave a stand overnight.
I think that if someone had done all the scouting and hard work to find the perfect spot, the little "extra" effort to make sure he was the first one there would be a given. To claim a spot and then come in late expecting it to be open is foolish IMHO>
I think that if someone had done all the scouting and hard work to find the perfect spot, the little "extra" effort to make sure he was the first one there would be a given. To claim a spot and then come in late expecting it to be open is foolish IMHO>
10-18-2002, 09:38 AM
#15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Freehold NJ USA
Posts: 219
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Sooner makes a very good point that you could be getting into a serious confrontation with someone you do not know who may have a short and violent fuse and carrying a lethal weapon.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
It is unfortunate that people are so quick to resort to violence and exhibit "sub-human behavior" towards each other.<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> (I am not referring to Sooner, just what was implied)
I am not at all trying to be obstinate or argumentative but here in NJ on the public property we are not supposed to "squat" and I have entered some of "my" (scouted) locations (where I have LEGALLY left corn/ salt) and found someone hunting over it....<font color=red> it sucked</font id=red>, but <font color=green>I MOVED ON</font id=green>- It is one of the downfalls of hunting Public Land. I would never intentionally try to disrespect another hunter, but I also don't appreciate when others "assume control" over areas. Ultimately, what discusts me the most is how it seems that so many people will let a situation deteriorate into violence.....Did anyone see that news story today about the parents kicking the snot out of each other and a high School football game.....what is happening to us as a society?
"Measure twice, shoot once <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/memb...owhunter"
Edited by - NJ-Bowhunter on 10/18/2002 10:42:50
Edited by - NJ-Bowhunter on 10/18/2002 10:43:45
It is unfortunate that people are so quick to resort to violence and exhibit "sub-human behavior" towards each other.<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> (I am not referring to Sooner, just what was implied)
I am not at all trying to be obstinate or argumentative but here in NJ on the public property we are not supposed to "squat" and I have entered some of "my" (scouted) locations (where I have LEGALLY left corn/ salt) and found someone hunting over it....<font color=red> it sucked</font id=red>, but <font color=green>I MOVED ON</font id=green>- It is one of the downfalls of hunting Public Land. I would never intentionally try to disrespect another hunter, but I also don't appreciate when others "assume control" over areas. Ultimately, what discusts me the most is how it seems that so many people will let a situation deteriorate into violence.....Did anyone see that news story today about the parents kicking the snot out of each other and a high School football game.....what is happening to us as a society?
"Measure twice, shoot once <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/memb...owhunter"
Edited by - NJ-Bowhunter on 10/18/2002 10:42:50
Edited by - NJ-Bowhunter on 10/18/2002 10:43:45
10-18-2002, 10:08 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Montgomery IL USA
Posts: 1,231
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
IMO...
NEVER hunt out of another person's stand without permission.
Also, public land is "first-come-first-served", but that does NOT mean that people get the right to stake out their own little areas like it's private land. To do so is like telling people that, it's public land, but only YOU have the right to hunt there. Not so.
We go through this problem at our sportsman's club every year. Some guy likes to plaster the whole woods with treestands, and yell and complain when anyone hangs one even within eye-sight of his. Even if he's not in one of his stands, he doesn't want anyone else hunting the area.
If a he's not in his stand...too bad, it's public land. Hang one in another tree nearby and hunt. Take your stand out when you leave (to avoid potential problems). If he shows up while YOU'RE hunting and gives you a hard time, remind him what PUBLIC means.
JRW
NEVER hunt out of another person's stand without permission.
Also, public land is "first-come-first-served", but that does NOT mean that people get the right to stake out their own little areas like it's private land. To do so is like telling people that, it's public land, but only YOU have the right to hunt there. Not so.
We go through this problem at our sportsman's club every year. Some guy likes to plaster the whole woods with treestands, and yell and complain when anyone hangs one even within eye-sight of his. Even if he's not in one of his stands, he doesn't want anyone else hunting the area.
If a he's not in his stand...too bad, it's public land. Hang one in another tree nearby and hunt. Take your stand out when you leave (to avoid potential problems). If he shows up while YOU'RE hunting and gives you a hard time, remind him what PUBLIC means.
JRW
10-18-2002, 10:41 AM
#17
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wilmington Delaware USA
Posts: 699
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
MA,
Look up a post I made a while back called "Permanent Stands on NJ WMA's"
Public land is for everyone's enjoyment. If it is legal to hang a stand and leave it on public ground in your state, go right ahead. I would never sit in someone else's stand, but once its placed on public land its LEGAL for ANYONE to sit in it. This of course will cause problems if the person whom put it up comes along. You can see from some post here, that some would be pretty quick to try and cause you bodly harm. A deer isnt worth that to me.
Since you were looking to hang a stand, you probably won't agree with me, but I feel carry in, carry out, should be the only tree stand method allowed on any public land. I guess I should move to WI.
Like I said, see if you can find the thread I mentioned above,,,, you think there are fireworks going off here?!?!?!?!
Best of Luck to you!
Any day spent huntin, is better than any day spent workin,,
Duckmastor2
Look up a post I made a while back called "Permanent Stands on NJ WMA's"
Public land is for everyone's enjoyment. If it is legal to hang a stand and leave it on public ground in your state, go right ahead. I would never sit in someone else's stand, but once its placed on public land its LEGAL for ANYONE to sit in it. This of course will cause problems if the person whom put it up comes along. You can see from some post here, that some would be pretty quick to try and cause you bodly harm. A deer isnt worth that to me.
Since you were looking to hang a stand, you probably won't agree with me, but I feel carry in, carry out, should be the only tree stand method allowed on any public land. I guess I should move to WI.
Like I said, see if you can find the thread I mentioned above,,,, you think there are fireworks going off here?!?!?!?!
Best of Luck to you!
Any day spent huntin, is better than any day spent workin,,
Duckmastor2
10-18-2002, 02:43 PM
#18
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Scottsdale Arizona USA
Posts: 527
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
I guess I see some of both sides on this and it's obvious that Arizona isn't NJ. I rarely hang a stand as I bowhunt from the ground but when I do it's on several thousand acre unit so I expect the guy to leave if he's sitting in my stand. If he hangs one ten feet away then the violence that our forefathers founded the country on is gonna start and I have a CWP and am carrying most of the time but would never resort to lethal force over a tree stand UNLESS someone is dumb enough to point a weapon at me. I admit that we out west except for California are not very evolved yet but we're workin' on it. Bottom line is a man needs to stand up for himself if another is an A-----e. I will afford anyone the utmost courtesy and understanding if they afford me the same. This thread is about common sense and courtesy. Whatever happened to punching it out without blowing someone's head off like a weenie banger would do?
10-18-2002, 02:48 PM
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Iowa
Posts: 343
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
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It is illegal in most states to carry a hangun while bowhunting, even with a CWP. Of course Arizona may allow it, but I would check the regs if you are unsure.
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It is illegal in most states to carry a hangun while bowhunting, even with a CWP. Of course Arizona may allow it, but I would check the regs if you are unsure.
10-18-2002, 03:31 PM
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Omaha Nebraska USA
Posts: 530
RE: Tree Stand Ethics
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>.....what is happening to us as a society?
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For an answer to this question, see the post that was entitled, "I thought you might want to read this" or something to that effect. It was a speech given by the father of one of the victims of Columbine. He summed it up quite well, IMHO.
-Brad
Eastern Nebraska Bowhunter
Edited by - by23856 on 10/18/2002 16:33:49
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For an answer to this question, see the post that was entitled, "I thought you might want to read this" or something to that effect. It was a speech given by the father of one of the victims of Columbine. He summed it up quite well, IMHO.
-Brad
Eastern Nebraska Bowhunter
Edited by - by23856 on 10/18/2002 16:33:49