Big Buck Found
 

A fellow from my hometown(50 miles southwest of New Orleans)was still hunting in one of our area swamps and killed the deer in thepreceeding picture. He had almost finished climbing his stand when he saw the deer about 100 yds. away. He watched it for a couple of minutes and when it finally picked up it's head and he saw the antlers, he shot it. Upon recovering the deer, he noticed a white tag with the number 52 marked on it (he did not see tag when he shot the deer). He brought the deer back to the camp and, of course, it was a sight for all to see.

After calls were placed and information on the deer starting coming in, it was soon found that the deer had escaped from a holding pen about 20 miles from the area it was killed - Hurricane Katrina had knocked down the fence holding the deer.

Now let's get one thing clear here..... THE HUNTER KILLED THE DEER IN A LOUISIANA SWAMP, NOT A FENCED IN AREA. AGAIN, HE DID NOT KILL THE DEER IN A FENCED IN AREA. I repeat this, because on Louisiana Sportsman website, people are giving him a hard time about killing the deer.

What are your thoughts?

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I wish I had one like that!!

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I would have shot him for sure

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I think he killed a defenseless pen raised deer. Can't imagine being too excited over killing a helpless pet that has had it's instincts dulled by living in a cage.

Sad story.

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By 'holding pen' I meant that the deer was free to roam a certain amount of fenced in acres (I don't know exactly how many)- sorry if there was any confusion.



Here's another question....

Should he be able to enter it into P&Y...... it gross scored around 160.

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IMO he should not be able to enter it.

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No.


Here is another question...........would he have shot it anyways had he known the full story??

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If you mount him. I would keep the tag on the year for the story.
awesomebuck and awesome luck.

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The fellow did nothing wrong or illegal- he saw a big deer eating, watched it for a couple of minutes and then shot it.

There is absolutely no fault on his part.

Any of you (as would I) would have done the same thing.





In saying that, I believe it shouldn't be entered in the record books.

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Man, what a bruiser. Good question about the P&Y. I don't know how they willhandle that one. My guess is probably not, because it was raised in a high fenced area? And maybe created by artificial insemination from a buck w/ good genes?

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awesome buck for sure, The deer was probally lost but if I seen him and had a shot Id harvest him for sure. Id mount him on the wall and call him the katrina buck.

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It was in the open and I would have shot it also.

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Its a great buck and he cannot be faulted for shooting it under those circumstances. Should he be allowed to enter it into P&Y............no.

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Awesome buck! Good luck for you friend! I think P&Y would have to accept it, but I don't see why he would enter it knowing it came from a pen. Atlas, man you need relax. The guy didn't do anything wrong, and you have no idea what the circumstances regardingthis deers life was...

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Ahh give Atlasman a break, he's a vegetarian obviously if he thinks this story is sad. Of course Atlasman wouldnt have shot the deer, he would have been able to tellit was raised in a cage its whole life and defensless to boot. I think the sadest part is Atlasman's inability to comprehend things that dont happen to him.

No, the buck probablyshouldnt be allowed in the books IMO. And hell yeah, its a beautiful buck. I dont see what the hell is sad about this story, seems like a happy ending to me. Plus we get to see Atlasman quote the heck out of everyone, woohoo!!!

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Or kinda like killing a fawn, young deer. They know 0 about hunters. So if shooting a defenseless deer is not very sporting then shooting fawns is very sporting. If we use the above logic. I for one hate pinned deer farms, but this deer was in the wild and he shot it. So who am I to Judge, I could care less if people shoot fawns it is choice of the hunter. I am tired of people ripping on others for what they shoot!!

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What a hoss! Your buddy took the deer fair and square. No regrets, and he should go in the books. This is the result of an act of God, and a once in a lifetime event. I'm sure that there are several in P&Y and B&C that fall into the "dumb luck" category. From reading your account, I assumed that a rifle was used, but that would put him in B&C. He saw the deer at 100 yds and then shot after seeing the rack. That rules the bow out. On the other hand, if a bow was used, then how could he miss seeing the tag? I guess that's what it all hinges on for me. Either way, nice wallhanger.

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He used a rifle.

B&C is what I should have written.

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Well, then, I say congratulations! Your friend should be proud of his trophy.

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Nice buck. COngrats to the hunter.

THe buck was in the free-range wild woods, when he was harvested, so I see no problem with it.

BUt I don't think it should be accepted into the record books, since it was a pen raised deer for the majority of its life.


I too think it should be mounted with the tag in its ear, and the hunter should get some info from the game farm about this buck if he can.

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Hey ! he's a darn good buck and if he's not in his pen ,then he's fair game in my eye's.But I too think if i was to mount him ,and I'm sure he will ,I'd leave the tag on as well.What a story this wou;ld be to share with your friend's .I'd of definately taken him myself ,and if it had of been with the bow and i seen the tag ,I would have certainly questioned it ,but if I knew I was hunting permissioned property then I'd of stuck him as well. As for being entered into the book's ,now knowing where he come from ,I habve to agree with the other's ,NO.



nubo

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"He had almost finished climbing his stand when he saw the deer about 100 yds. away. He watched it for a couple of minutes and when it finally picked up it's head and he saw the antlers, he shot it."

" Here's another question....

Should he be able to enter it into P&Y...... it gross scored around 160."

Nice buck no matter where he was taken.
dd

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Unsuspecting of it being a pen raised deer, the hunter gave fair chase and harvested the animal. Knowing it was a pen raised deer, after the fact, it would be questionable whether or not it should be put in the record books. A buck like that can and has been harvested as a free roaming whitetail, I say let him have his glory, it isn't his fault the deer got away and stepped into his path. He was in the right place at the right time and I would have done the same!!!!

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I agree with amayerican if you get it mounted keep the tag on. Great deer to your friend by the way.

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That is a heck of a nice buck. I would have shot it too. With a gross score of 160 he won't make the minimum after deductions, but theoretically speaking, if he were bigger , and did score high enough he would probably be allowed in the B&C books.

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This isn't a SAD story at all byany means... just look at the smiles on the children's faces!

Record book? -NO WAY I'd allow it.

Would I mount it? - Yes, it carries a good story.

Would I be proud of it? - Only in the sense that mother nature sent me a magnificent creature, but not in the sense that I studied the land and outwitted the animal. Afterall, I could've probably walked up to within 5 yards of this pet and took it with a spear.

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Without knowing the full story, I think almost anyone would have shot this animal. I would guess that even if they did know, a majority still would have shot it. JMO.

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I never said he did anything wrong did I??

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I'm a vegetarian if I see shooting a helpless animal as sad??......Pretty strange logic. How is this any different then your dog escaping from your yard and a neighbor in the next town shooting him??


Dumb statement...........since I never said that.........geez do you guys even read the threads you post to??


That is sad.

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Here in Alabama we call it "ground checking" ...he saw the tag after it hit the ground!

dd

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AWWW SHOOT... I can see it coming now.

and before it does, let me say: Oh stop it children! Quit the bickering, stop putting words into eachother's mouths, this aint sad, and make sure your posts make sense before hitting "OK"

oh, and please don't attack me for trying to diffuse a would be situation.

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Not the same........they are still wild born, instictual and taught by mom.......sure they are not wizards of the woods yet but it's not like they will just walk up to you and let you pet them either.


We could play this game all day............and apply it to EVERY deer if you want to think about it that way. A deer has it's inate defenses as it's sole defense against predators.....when that inate skill is washed away by a cage or being exposed to humans every day those deer are no more a challenge to kill then a stray cat.

My yard is full of deer.........I have video footage of a 10, a 12, and a nice high racked 8 all within 15 yards of me just hoping for food.........if I walk out into my yard at night deer come running from everywhere hoping I am gonna feed them.......they watch me shoot my bow and couldn't care less.

How great would it be to shoot any of them???...........Would it be cool to have that 10,12 and high 8 on my wall and tell everyone what a great hunter I am because I could kill a helpless pet in my backyard that was hanging around my swimming pool???

C'mon man.

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Talk about hypocrisy running rampant.


All we ever see on this forum is people saying how much they despise fenced in ranches and they "Would never" hunt a deer in a cage because it's not sporting and it's not even hunting.

Now you see everyone saying how they would shoot this buck in a second...........I guess a pen raised deer suddenly becomes an unhuntable ghost of the woods that we have to use every ounce of hunting skills we have just to a glimpse of this great beast when he hopefully makes just one mistake that will offer us the slightest chance at a kill shot.






Same deer guys..........someone just left the gate open ;)

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Atlasman, you just dont get it.Keepfeeding the deer in your yard,your doing exactlywhat deer farmers do to pen raised deer, you seem more of a hypocrit then anything else to me. Enjoy the view from the windows of your house at the deer ..... and at an empty freezer lol.

The guy shot a deer that had escaped from a fenced area, pen or cage,(not sure which, you said it was from a cage in one post and pen inothers) and had no way of knowing this, period, nothing more to say about him shooting this deer except thats its an incredibleanimal and he made a good shot.

Also you yourselfsaid the deer lost its natural inatedefense abilities, so, he did the deer a favor by killing it, because it probablywouldnt have made itthrough winter anywayif it didnt have its natural inateskill like you said in this quote I dont think the chickens andcattle have much inate skills left before they get slaughtered either, but I still eat the hell out of them and always will, I raise my own and they areboth fenced and in cages. Its not sad when I make a fresh 24 oz prime rib or freshscrambled eggs for family or friends.

So, is it sad the deer was killed being it was at some time completely or partially raised behind a fence and shot completely and uterly defensless like cattle and chickens?
Was it sad the hurricane destroyed its pen, cage or whatever, and washarvested legallybefore it was returned to a fenced area?
Or is it sad its bigger than any buck you have shot this year or ever possibly??

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What's your point?? I don't kill them. I have deer, turkey, rabbits, squirrels, hawks, and bats all over my yard........I do my best to help them survive with what little habitat our sprawl has left them with........and we have some laughs along the way. What don't I "get"???


Obviously you don't know what the definition of hypocrit is then.



I do enjoy the view from my house..........and here is a picture of my freezer this year ;) Sorry to disappoint you.


Yea.......I bet the deer is very grateful that he did him that favor

Doing him a favor would have been returning him to the cage he got out of.



Do you feel proud of yourself as a hunter when you kill the cow??


Yes.


Yes.


Nope..........though not really a fair comparison seeing how I have never shot a caged pet.

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FYI,it's illegal to feed deer in NY.I wish I could harvest one of those oreida waffle fries:D

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He had his head down feeding just like a buck in the wild, he was on legal hunting grounds with a legal weapon. If he did see that little white square on his ear from 100 yds he wouldn't know what it was. He could of just riped the tag off his ear when he did see it and told nobody. He didn't do that so it shows alot of chracter to me. Nice buck, good shot, he gets the score.

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Thats alot of meat for a little button buck......

Wonder if atlas ever noticed how he is always on the other side of the arguement?

As for record books.....

I don't think it should be entered.Although it isn't big enough for B&C anyhow so it is really a moot point.

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Yeah they are a caging beast, on public land in Northen MI, one of the most high pressured area's in MI(Huron National Forest) to hunt I have to toss stuff at them to get them to leave. Shooting a dumb deer(fawn) one of the easy things to do. If people read your threads(I always read your Atlas) they would know you whacked two fawns which is 100% your choice and I support your choice 100%. What I do not support is you getting all high and mighty on people. MOTOWNHONKEY said it best, the guy had no idea. He could have ripped the tag off and none of us would know. You had to take a shot at the guy. He was just sharing a nice story.

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I know.


One of the toughest hunts I've ever endured......the lines at the grocery store were dense and the freezer section was picked pretty clean from years of offering too many coupons.......I found a nice ambush location that had definate fresh sign of a freezer section stock clerk and his route through a nice transition area. I waited and waited for what seemed like an eternity and finally my prize peaked through the swinging doors of the stock room and out into the early morning light of the flourescent bulbs.......I steadied myself and calmed my nerves as it drew closer and closer. The moment of truth had arrived and with every ounce of energy I had left I reached out and asked the young kid if he would toss me a bag.......he said "What kind?".........I responded "waffle.......of course".......as if I would take anything less.....being the "trophy" hunter that I am. It truely is a wonderful feeling of satisfaction to know that I got the chance at that bag of waffle fries because I had the skill and discipline to let so many other "lesser" bags of fries walk........knowing full well that they may fall prey to another fry hunter not as skilled or knowledgable as myself and I may never see them reach their full potential as a fry.......it is a price worth paying and even though many days I go home fryless I still have a deep satisfaction knowing that I am a better fry hunter because I don't just take any sliced potato out there just to say "I got one"