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Rack-attack 12-10-2005 01:42 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 
I would take that buck over a Fawn.................................LOL[:-]

I think its a great story - What the heck are the odds of that...........

Congrats to the man that shot a once in a lifetime escape:)

rybohunter 12-10-2005 01:51 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 
Lotta hooplafor not much reason.
Neat story though.

atlasman 12-10-2005 01:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: ghemry

Yeah they are a caging beast, on public land in Northen MI, one of the most high pressured area's in MI(Huron National Forest) to hunt I have to toss stuff at them to get them to leave. Shooting a dumb deer(fawn) one of the easy things to do.
Like I said........we can play this game all day. If you want to use that logic then every deer is "easy" to shoot. Traditional guys say that to compound guys who say it to crossbow guys who say it to shotgun guys who say it to rifle guys and on and on.

For every story of a wiley deer that outsmarted someone there is one about a deer that walked right into someone else.......there is no cover-all statement to assess deer smarts or lack there of. Each situation is different..............every deer is a genious right up to the point when it gets killed.



If people read your threads(I always read your Atlas) they would know you whacked two fawns which is 100% your choice and I support your choice 100%.
Shot one last year too.



What I do not support is you getting all high and mighty on people...........You had to take a shot at the guy. He was just sharing a nice story.
I don't think I took a shot at anyone. The guy came here and asked for opinions so I gave mine.

Germ 12-10-2005 01:53 PM

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One of the toughest hunts I've ever endured......the lines at the grocery store were dense and the freezer section was picked pretty clean from years of offering too many coupons.......I found a nice ambush location that had definate fresh sign of a freezer section stock clerk and his route through a nice transition area. I waited and waited for what seemed like an eternity and finally my prize peaked through the swinging doors of the stock room and out into the early morning light of the flourescent bulbs.......I steadied myself and calmed my nerves as it drew closer and closer. The moment of truth had arrived and with every ounce of energy I had left I reached out and asked the young kid if he would toss me a bag.......he said "What kind?".........I responded "waffle.......of course".......as if I would take anything less.....being the "trophy" hunter that I am. It truely is a wonderful feeling of satisfaction to know that I got the chance at that bag of waffle fries because I had the skill and discipline to let so many other "lesser" bags of fries walk........knowing full well that they may fall prey to another fry hunter not as skilled or knowledgable as myself and I may never see them reach their full potential as a fry.......it is a price worth paying and even though many days I go home fryless I still have a deep satisfaction knowing that I am a better fry hunter because I don't just take any sliced potato out there just to say "I got one"
I am now a dumber person because I read this, and I now need therapy

atlasman 12-10-2005 01:55 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: Rack-attack

I would take that buck over a Fawn.................................LOL[:-]


Why??

From the looks of the board the last couple years you might wanna take a fawn or two just to get the dust off your bow ;)

Germ 12-10-2005 02:03 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

Shot one last year too.
I think there is a book deal for you Atlas "How to shoot the little one's", every year I help my Grampa drag and gut his fawn. It is all he will shoot and respect his choice as I do yours. Anyone who takes a deer in the wild deserves our respect. This hunter shot one in the wild, now was the deer wild, no, but the hunter had no idea. I for one say good job to him and you Atlas for both having success!!!

Rack-attack 12-10-2005 02:10 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

Why??

From the looks of the board the last couple years you might wanna take a fawn or two just to get the dust off your bow ;)
Dust is off dude............:D

Twice this year...............and it ain't over yet;)

Diesel77 12-10-2005 02:22 PM

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What's your point?? I don't kill them. I have deer, turkey, rabbits, squirrels, hawks, and bats all over my yard........I do my best to help them survive with what little habitat our sprawl has left them with........and we have some laughs along the way. What don't I "get"???
You go on and on about how wrong it is to have fenced in deer that get harvested by paid hunts, which I dont agree with myself, and wouldnt pay to do it either, but you are feeding deer in your yard illegally in NY and seem to overlook that point, plus you are changing deers natural inate feeding habits, and, you said they are in your yard watching you while you shoot your bowwhich seems to me that you are makingwild deermore tame or feel safe around humans and ruining their so called natural inate defense more than anything else. But it is okay to go somewhere else and kill deer which is fine as long as they arent deer that are coming into your yard and being fed by you? You say you are helping the animals survive in an area that you said naturally cant support the popualtion with little habitat and sprawl in/around your property. Seems kind of stupid not to take advantage of harvesting deer that are on your property when you know which ones would be good to harvestwhen you know their feeding habits, bedding habits and to get the population down to where it would survive naturally. Thats sad, or idiotic.


Obviously you don't know what the definition of hypocrit is then.
What I just quoted and posted in the paragraph aboveto me is a hypocrit.


Yea.......I bet the deer is very grateful that he did him that favor
so you would ratherthe deer possibly starve a horrible death because he hasnt lived and fed in the wild before especially in winter when food is scarce??


Do you feel proud of yourself as a hunter when you kill the cow??
Has nothing to do with being a hunter or feeling proud for killing cows.And I dont kill or raise cows. Steers are raised for beef, chickens are raised for eggs and meatto sell and feed humans like they have for hundreds, even thousands of years all over the world, something I guess you dont understand or cant comprehend. I have chickens I show that I am proud of, kids and adults enjoy the birds that I bring to fairs and 4H events, brown leghorns, and red and silver dorkings that I dont kill, I get eggs from them and enjoy raising and breeding them as do children that come to see the birds, collect eggs and help take care of them. I raise cornish birds for meat which is what the breed is for. None of my animals are raised in cages, they can go inside or roam outside areas as they choose.


Nope..........though not really a fair comparison seeing how I have never shot a caged pet.
I dont see where this even comes into play as Ive said numerous times in this useless discussion with you. The person didnt know it was previously caged so how is this a comparison on shooting cages pets?





stillhunt04 12-10-2005 02:29 PM

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Wow you sure don't see that everyday. Nice lookin' deer!

buckmister 12-10-2005 03:00 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 
Like I've said before; "Everybody has one and thatincludes opinions too."

Nice deer. By the way what's the Louisiana state record

SuperRedHawk 12-10-2005 03:14 PM

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Another thing to consider. I wonder if the original owner of the deer is going to fight for posession of it since it was his, it was tagged, andset freeby the hurricane?

atlasman 12-10-2005 04:37 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: ghemry


Shot one last year too.
I think there is a book deal for you Atlas "How to shoot the little one's"
The way I look at it is you have to more accurate to hit those little buggers..........anyone can hit the vitals on those big ones.......too easy ;)



atlasman 12-10-2005 04:38 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: Rack-attack


Why??

From the looks of the board the last couple years you might wanna take a fawn or two just to get the dust off your bow ;)
Dust is off dude............:D

Twice this year...............and it ain't over yet;)

No pics??

nubo 12-10-2005 04:45 PM

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OHHHH you guy's are just too darn funny.

nubo

atlasman 12-10-2005 04:56 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: Diesel77

You go on and on about how wrong it is to have fenced in deer that get harvested by paid hunts, which I dont agree with myself, and wouldnt pay to do it either, but you are feeding deer in your yard illegally in NY and seem to overlook that point
What does one have to do with the other???



plus you are changing deers natural inate feeding habits
Would you like to pay my landscaping bill every year?? If so please feel free to send me your address and will forward the charges on to you. Seriously I wouldn't mind.........they have done on average about $300-$500 damage a year. What I do is done to keep the damage to my yard at a minimum........if you can call that much money a minimum.



and, you said they are in your yard watching you while you shoot your bowwhich seems to me that you are makingwild deermore tame or feel safe around humans and ruining their so called natural inate defense more than anything else.
Why does it matter???.......these deer can't be hunted. The only thing that can hurt them is a car........would you like me to stop driving so they don't get hurt??? How about I don't mow my lawn either because they stand there and watch me ride a John DEERE mower..........OH THE HORROR!!!



But it is okay to go somewhere else and kill deer which is fine as long as they arent deer that are coming into your yard and being fed by you?
Yes.......I do it all the time.




You say you are helping the animals survive in an area that you said naturally cant support the popualtion with little habitat and sprawl in/around your property.
Nothing natural about sprawl.




Seems kind of stupid not to take advantage of harvesting deer that are on your property when you know which ones would be good to harvestwhen you know their feeding habits, bedding habits and to get the population down to where it would survive naturally. Thats sad, or idiotic.
Do you even read these threads???..........these deer cannot be hunted. Hunting is not legal where I live. Even if it were I would not shoot these pets..........it would be about as much a challenge as shooting a neighbors dog.



What I just quoted and posted in the paragraph aboveto me is a hypocrit.
Like I said........you don't know what the word means then.



so you would ratherthe deer possibly starve a horrible death because he hasnt lived and fed in the wild before especially in winter when food is scarce??
Reminds me of South Park.........."If we don't kill them.......They might die"



Has nothing to do with being a hunter or feeling proud for killing cows.
Sure it does..........walking up to a cow and killing it is about as challenging as killing this deer or the ones in my yard would be. One you equate to good hunting skills and the other you don't???



I have chickens I show that I am proud of, kids and adults enjoy the birds that I bring to fairs and 4H events, brown leghorns, and red and silver dorkings that I dont kill, I get eggs from them and enjoy raising and breeding them as do children that come to see the birds, collect eggs and help take care of them.
So if any of those birds escaped it would be OK for your neghbors to blow their heads off because they are now free ranging chickens that should be killed for food right??



The person didnt know it was previously caged so how is this a comparison on shooting cages pets?
I never said he did know...........he knows now.......and I can't imagine being too excited over finding out the big buck you just dropped was nothing more then a household pet that got out through a downed fence. Never said he did anything wrong........I just think it would suck to find out you shot a tame animal when you thought you killed a wild one.

atlasman 12-10-2005 04:58 PM

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on Louisiana Sportsman website, people are giving him a hard time about killing the deer.

This makes me think there is more to this story that we haven't been told.

TroopA 12-10-2005 05:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: atlasman


on Louisiana Sportsman website, people are giving him a hard time about killing the deer.

This makes me think there is more to this story that we haven't been told.
I was looking for opinions on the subject and I thank all of you guys for responding.

The guy lives in my hometown. He's an ethical hunter and a upstanding member of the Parish. Don't you think if there would be more to the story that he would have probably taken the tag off from the beggining?

This is a great site as for as learning different things from different hunters but what's most disappointing to me is that the minute someone posts a picture of a fairly nice deer, suspisions and accusations are immediately thrown in response - just sounds like jealousy to me.


I would be proud of that deer if I killed it - tagged or not.

Hell, the meat probably taste better...:)

MOTOWNHONKEY 12-10-2005 06:13 PM

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Wait till it gets even later in the season some really like to argue.

atlasman 12-10-2005 06:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: TroopA

Don't you think if there would be more to the story that he would have probably taken the tag off from the beggining?
I have no idea..........you can't possibly be surprised that a picture of a deer with a petting zoo tag in it's ear would raise some eyebrows.



This is a great site as for as learning different things from different hunters but what's most disappointing to me is that the minute someone posts a picture of a fairly nice deer, suspisions and accusations are immediately thrown in response - just sounds like jealousy to me.
Posting a thread of these contents and then asking for people's opinions on the subject leaves the door open...........you can't have it both ways. Don't post threads asking for opinions if you are gonna get your feathers ruffled by the ones that don't agree with you. No one is attacking anyone personally and their is no name calling or cursing or any nasty remarks. Just opinions...........which is exactly what you asked for.



I would be proud of that deer if I killed it - tagged or not.
And I can't possibly see how anyone could be proud of shooting a tame animal that grew up in a cage. We just have different opinions.........doesn't make either one right or wrong......just different.



Diesel77 12-10-2005 06:32 PM

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Atlasman just give me your phone number or better yet your address and we can discuss this without wasting peoples valuable time reading our quotes and trying to proove each other wrong.

Sorry guys for the childish rambling Icontinued on with this guy.

Im glad thegentleman shot the beautiful buck TroopA, good for him.


atlasman 12-10-2005 06:50 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: Diesel77


Atlasman just give me your phone number or better yet your address and we can discuss this without wasting peoples valuable time reading our quotes and trying to prove each other wrong.
Ahhhh......the moral high road Perhaps in the end you really did learn what a hypocrit is ;)

atlasman 12-10-2005 06:52 PM

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Why is title of this thread big buck found???

txjourneyman 12-10-2005 06:55 PM

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I don't think he should have shot it. He should have left it for me!

atlasman 12-10-2005 06:57 PM

RE: Big Buck Found
 

ORIGINAL: Rack-attack


Why??

From the looks of the board the last couple years you might wanna take a fawn or two just to get the dust off your bow ;)
Dust is off dude............:D

Twice this year...............and it ain't over yet;)

I don't see anything for you in the contest and I haven't seen you post anything in the forum............and you don't shoot does.


What did you get??

mfunk922 12-10-2005 07:46 PM

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Is that a melanistic (black) deer? The body on it looks pretty dark to me

Okie807 12-10-2005 07:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: atlasman

For every story of a wiley deer that outsmarted someone there is one about a deer that walked right into someone else.......there is no cover-all statement to assess deer smarts or lack there of. Each situation is different..............every deer is a genious right up to the point when it gets killed.

That just about sums this whole discussion up, atlasman. Good job of cutting through the crap. It was a good hunt, an ethical kill, and a great buck.

WV Hunter 12-11-2005 08:33 AM

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Wow, I can't even believe where this thread went. Atlasman, you gotta give it a break bud. You have some serious issues. :eek:Oh and btw, Rack-attack did knock the dust off his bow this year. He will have one entered in the contest when he gets his pics done. I don't know exactly what it scored, but I think it was close or would have made P&Yif not for a broken tine. Not real sure why you care about what he kills. ?? Oh, and he got a doe too.

TroopA
That is a nice buck, and most likely ANYONE that was in his shoes would have killed the deer. Yes, it may have come from a pet farm, but who would have ever known that? Great deer, regardless. My opinion, he should get to keep the deer, but not be entered into any record books, should it have qualified.

Tell your friend congrats on a nice deer, and for doing the right thing by questioning the tag. :D

YooperMike 12-11-2005 08:50 AM

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From now on, everyone that shoots a deer needs to first have a conference with the animal and get papers from its parents to make sure that it is in fact a true wild deer?

atlasman 12-11-2005 09:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: WV Hunter

Atlasman, you gotta give it a break bud. You have some serious issues. :eek:
Why???......because I wouldn't be excited about ahooting someone's pet?




Oh and btw, Rack-attack did knock the dust off his bow this year. He will have one entered in the contest when he gets his pics done.
Great.........I'm happy for him.



Not real sure why you care about what he kills. ??
I don't........just asking (That's OK right??? I don't have to check with you first do I??)



Oh, and he got a doe too.
I thought he didn't shoot does??



That is a nice buck, and most likely ANYONE that was in his shoes would have killed the deer. Yes, it may have come from a pet farm, but who would have ever known that?
Perhaps that is your problem........you must not have read the thread very well because no one said what you are implying.

tsoc 12-11-2005 09:32 AM

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I have tears in my eyes I am laughing so hard!!!!

dohcrxl 12-11-2005 09:40 AM

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As with politics, religion, or anything debatable, people aren't actually listening to what is being said but rather are only waiting for their turn to speak, spew, spout. Only when this isn't the case can anything be worth saying.

tsoc 12-11-2005 09:47 AM

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Unfortunately I am not able to view the story or the photograph.The gentleman certainly did nothing wrong at all! He identified a great buck while hunting and had the poise to take him.The experience for him has to be bittersweet.Appreciate the animal,eat the meat,mount him with the ear tag on.In my opinion an animal taken under these circumstances should not be eligible for record book entry.


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