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ORIGINAL: Beagle001  BTW...it aint easy to hunt themidwest... |
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ORIGINAL: wolfen68 Well I gotta tell ya, as I sit here and enjoy a very tasty plate of 6.5 year old, 200 inch buck venison spaghetti I have enjoyed reading the productive debate on this topic and I can't help but think that this venison tastes so much better knowing it wasn't one of asslatman's button bucks for it would have taken 4-5 of them to equal the meat I got off this guy.:D |
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ORIGINAL: Beagle001 BTW...it aint easy to hunt themidwest... |
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Experience in what???............seeing the same deer year after year and being able to kill it numerous times..........then decide it has grown enough to kill it??........then pretend that this time he walked by you was just a lucky mistake made by an almost unhuntable crafty ghost of the woods...........unlike the the times he walked by you previously right?? Face it.......the only reason he is alive is because you let him be..........that is good fortune, not good instincts. It's really no different then farming..............it's all a matter of when you pick the crop. Someone else had a problem with their definition of hunting earlier..........how does "growing" deer fit into that equation and I wonder how the anti's would feel about that? Ive got one piece of advice and one only: Try living here in Illinois or Iowa, gaurantee your perception would change entirely! You consider yourself a avid hunter so why do u have to resort to filling your table with button bucks? If you know everything about the sport then you would think you would want the wall decorated too!?!? |
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If you're waiting for a buck to grow up and look like that before you shoot it, your gonna be awful bored!!!!!!!!!! GET REAL!!!!!!!!
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This entire QDM garbage started out in Texas on these million dollar ranches "You cant hang meat on the wall" |
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If you're waiting for a buck to grow up and look like that before you shoot it, your gonna be awful bored!!!!!!!!!! GET REAL!!!!!!!! Ive got two questions to ask you, first- how can you consider it a challenge taking the first deer that walks by you? If that was the case, my tag would be completely filled within the first few weeks, and my season would be OVER just as it started. To be honest with you, I wouldnt be typing this now if I was on that track of mind, I would be so bored of hunting by now. 2nd question, just how can you continue to enjoy & spend your "whole" seasons "trying" to fill your tags with each and every deer that passes by. Wow that should be a short boring season for ya right there? Do you not see enough deer to fill your tag each month!!? I think you should try looking at the whole picture, in the end it looks much nicer on the wall. |
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Its funny how the guys who preach "let them go so they can grow", like myself, are the guys who live and hunt in the best states in the country for trophy whitetails. The guys who love to kill bambi and cant go a season with out killing something, anything, as long as it has horns are the guys who live and hunt in the less desirable places. And it seems lthat its the older guys who cant stand QDM and the younger guys are the ones pushing for it.
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ORIGINAL: wolfen68 Well I gotta tell ya, as I sit here and enjoy a very tasty plate of 6.5 year old, 200 inch buck venison spaghetti I have enjoyed reading the productive debate on this topic and I can't help but think that this venison tastes so much better knowing it wasn't one of asslatman's button bucks for it would have taken 4-5 of them to equal the meat I got off this guy.:D You are still nibbling on the meat you got from 1 deer??  What's wrong??.........don't like the taste of venison??  What a surprise that the meat you are eating is grind ;) We went through over 600lbs of venison this year wolfy.........so contemplate that while you are holding your nose and trying to choke down that pasta from a deer you killed almost a year ago [:o] Still milking the meat from 1 deer a year later........that is priceless. Don't get all crazy and shoot 2 this year or it will get freezer burn for sure ;) |
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ORIGINAL: Cornfed_IL Atlas...Atlas...Atlas here ya go again:( Ive got one piece of advice and one only: Try living here in Illinois or Iowa, gaurantee your perception would change entirely! You consider yourself a avid hunter so why do u have to resort to filling your table with button bucks? If you know everything about the sport then you would think you would want the wall decorated too!?!? So I guess I have already taken your advice ;) Thanks. |
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QDM is nothing but a money making line of BS spoon fed to all you YOUNG BUCKS! The states that push thes QDM's are in it to promote their states as the best deer hunting state ( they will make more money on license sales ). Shoot the big ones and shoot the little ones. it all deer hunting. PS All of these so called HUNTING shows on tv are also craming this QDM $#it down your throats. And alot of you dont seem to care what they feed you. This is only my opinion! Dont get offended.
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: wolfen68 Well I gotta tell ya, as I sit here and enjoy a very tasty plate of 6.5 year old, 200 inch buck venison spaghetti I have enjoyed reading the productive debate on this topic and I can't help but think that this venison tastes so much better knowing it wasn't one of asslatman's button bucks for it would have taken 4-5 of them to equal the meat I got off this guy.:D No chief, I shot my doe 14 hours before I killed my buck and I donated the doe to the hungry...choke on that. You are still nibbling on the meat you got from 1 deer?? What's wrong??.........don't like the taste of venison?? What a surprise that the meat you are eating is grind ;) We went through over 600lbs of venison this year wolfy.........so contemplate that while you are holding your nose and trying to choke down that pasta from a deer you killed almost a year ago [:o] Still milking the meat from 1 deer a year later........that is priceless. Don't get all crazy and shoot 2 this year or it will get freezer burn for sure ;) |
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ORIGINAL: Cornfed_IL Wow, you are completely missing the whole point. What (if you have a clue) is involved in taking a mature buck? It takes time put forth scouting, practicing, hanging stands to become successful. It takes hours put forth on stand to get just that right one to show and pattern him throughout the season. It all ends up to being an addicting challenge in the end. If it is the challenge that everyone is addicted to then why do they want to push for QDM which will make it easier to see and kill bigger bucks?? Ive got two questions to ask you, first- how can you consider it a challenge taking the first deer that walks by you? If that was the case, my tag would be completely filled within the first few weeks, and my season would be OVER just as it started. To be honest with you, I wouldnt be typing this now if I was on that track of mind, I would be so bored of hunting by now. Do you not see enough deer to fill your tag each month!!? |
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ORIGINAL: wolfen68 ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: wolfen68 Well I gotta tell ya, as I sit here and enjoy a very tasty plate of 6.5 year old, 200 inch buck venison spaghetti I have enjoyed reading the productive debate on this topic and I can't help but think that this venison tastes so much better knowing it wasn't one of asslatman's button bucks for it would have taken 4-5 of them to equal the meat I got off this guy.:D No chief, I shot my doe 14 hours before I killed my buck and I donated the doe to the hungry...choke on that. You are still nibbling on the meat you got from 1 deer?? What's wrong??.........don't like the taste of venison?? What a surprise that the meat you are eating is grind ;) We went through over 600lbs of venison this year wolfy.........so contemplate that while you are holding your nose and trying to choke down that pasta from a deer you killed almost a year ago [:o] Still milking the meat from 1 deer a year later........that is priceless. Don't get all crazy and shoot 2 this year or it will get freezer burn for sure ;) So like I said...........you are still trying to finish off a single deer from a year ago Classic. |
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ORIGINAL: callemin ORIGINAL: wolfen68 Well I gotta tell ya, as I sit here and enjoy a very tasty plate of 6.5 year old, 200 inch buck venison spaghetti I have enjoyed reading the productive debate on this topic and I can't help but think that this venison tastes so much better knowing it wasn't one of asslatman's button bucks for it would have taken 4-5 of them to equal the meat I got off this guy.:D Wish I could say I am surprised.........but I would be lying. Couldn't be a better example of why their "message" falls so flat. As soon as you disagree with them the insults start to fly.........then they act shocked when people laugh at their noble smokescreens......they are so thin that it takes minimal effort to reveal the BS that lies behind (pun INTENDED) |
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I'm not much of a venison guy, I might keep half a deer each season even though I kill several deer each year. I like to hunt MATURE trophy bucks. I do my best to make sure that their are many deer of this caliber on my land. I come from a part of the county where managing deer is taken extremely serious and no amount of money or time is spared to accomplish ones goals. Most of you guys would not "fit" down here just like I'm sure I wouldnt mess to well with you and/or your hunting buddies. It all has to do with the area we hunt and the land and average caliber of animals that we see on a regular basis. I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt.......
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ATLASMAN and CALLEMIN: i am glad to see that atleast us three are on the same page. i am in total agreement with both of you. In my previous posts i keep tellin these guys that hunting land is pretty scarse for some of us so we have to take advantage of certain situations. People need to understand that, believe it or not, not everyone has the oppurtunity to let deer pass by because they arent big. We dont all have that luxury. It seems that every season i see maybe a total of ten deer. Sorry but that is not enough for me to just keep letting them pass by. I am a hunter and i like to hunt deer. Therefore i kill deer and eat them thats it. I dont hang them on the wall but i do take pride in every deer that i kill wether it be a doe, button, 4 pointer, or even a monster. I take pride in all of them and am proud of myself for for doing what i do.
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Seeing these types of threads in this forum is getting old. I would rather read a story from a hunter about his hunt whether it be successful or unsuccessful than to read a ten page debate. Let's just get to whatever kind of hunting we do and enjoy ourselves.
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ORIGINAL: Cornfed_IL I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt....... |
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I think most of you fighting over a subject like this need to grow up, I know I live in IL where I can have the chance to use QDM, but others do not and they have to do a lot more than just QDM to get a decent herd like IL has. So let them be and do what they want, it might not be my idea of good hunting practices, but it is all up to them!
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Jeff K, you are right this is very childish of us and i fell right into the trap and i just want to appologize for the childish behavior to everyone. (no pun intended) Everyone please just go out and do your thing no matter what it may be and remember to have a fun and safe hunting season!
EDIT: i guess the only reason that i have been so offensive is because i have yet to take a deer with a bow and will shoot the first thing i see for that reason. I have taken plenty with a gun but none with a bow. Maybe once i get that first one under my belt with a bow my attitude will change, i dunno. |
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Jeff, there are a lot of great deer on properties in Illinois that are not doing QDM. Genetics, nutrition and a little bit of cover can do a lot for a deer herd... I don't know what would happen if every hunter in the world passed on all deer under 4.5 years of age.. Sometimes I wonder if the reason those old bucks are so timid and hide so well has something to do with the fact that maybe someone did take a shot or two at them when they wereyoungand they learned their lessons Or maybe, just maybe they were raised by a super cautious doe who passed these lessons on and were timid yearlings which is how they became wise old timers... I don't know..
I also have often thought about what Arthur said and have had that argument with many Trophy hunter type people that if we are replacing the predator in the ecosystem than why are we only targeting the prime breeding age bucks... I probably think to much for my own good. In the end I tend to agree with Shed's post of shoot what makes you happy. If it is a 90 pound doe, a 1.5 year old forkhorn, a6 month old fawn or only bucks over 145 it really doesn't matter to me. That picture of Colby and his buck speaks volumes of deer hunting is about to me. |
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If all you want is a "trophy" buck then just go buy one. I'm sure your local taxidermist has one for sale. Or you can just book a high fence hunt (same thing) and buy your trophy there. Hang it on your wall and have fun asking your buddies to guess what it scored and convincing themwhat a great hunter your are:eek:. Thenlook down your nose at the rest of us who are happy to just be out there hunting for the joy of hunting.
Hey I like a trophy buck just like the next hunter, but I also like the spike or fork horn or six orsmall eight as well. I have killed all of the above. I have also killed my share of does as well.To me, my decision to shootis madeat the time a shot presents itself.They all are trophies to me, every last one of them from the does to the lunkers. Last time I checked it was called DEER hunting. |
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ORIGINAL: maliburacing zac76156- Everyone else here is having a civilized conversation and posting their opinion. You jump in just critisizing the heck out of everyone who shoots small bucks. Thats life, get over it. The whole world doesnt revolve around you. Do you hunt for squirrels and rabbits? Do you just shoot the "mature" ones because we all know how good them "mature" squirrels and rabbits taste dont we?;)You say it embarrases you to see an expierienced hunter check in a 4 pointer or a spike. It embarreses you to call him a hunter right? Well if you go back and read you previous post you should relize that you are just embarassing yourself because if you call yourself a fellow hunter you will learn to respect others for what they kill. Hunting is not a pissing contest to see who can shoot the big deer if it is then you need to go look in a dictionary and look up the word"hunt." Hunting is a hobby that most people do to get out of the house and go out and have a little fun. You should go out to the woods and be able to shoot what ever you want and take pride in it without having someone jump down your throat. As i said in my previous post hunting land is very little around my area without paying. I see maybe a total of 10 deer a year walk through where a hunt and thats including all 3 months so some of us have to take what we can. Look i didnt want to single you out but you gave me no choice because everyone else was being civilized about this besides YOU. It embarasses you to see people killing small bucks well it embarasses me to see a fellow hunter act like you are acting. So do me a favorand think about what you are posting next time before you post. I should learn to respect others for what they kill??? Well, let me ask you a question. If I posted a thread showing of the 18-point monster that I hand fed in my backyard for 7 years and then when bowseason came around I shot at five feet.... would you "respect my kill"??? I hope you wouldn't!!! Neither would I!!!Now, I'm not trying to draw any parallels between the two, just pointing out how ridiculous it is to "respect others for what they kill". Myself and many others out there (whether they admit it publicly on the forum or not) don't agree with what your style of "hunting". BTW, I DID mean to single you out... |
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Until I decide that any deer I take with a bow isnt a trophy, I will continue to shoot the deer that gives me the best ethical shot. Whether its a 10 point or a spike.
The way I see it, we hunt 1250 acres in texas. None of our neighboring properties allow hunting. So what does anyone else care if I pass on a 1.5 year old buck, or send a broadhead through its vitals? Either way, I wont let you hunt him. Call me selfish, but I work too hard to maintain my land and make it attractive for deer. And Arthur, Double Creek, you guys are welcome anytime as long as you promise that we can grill those tenderloins as soon as you kill a deer. Whether its 1.5 year old or 6 ;) |
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ORIGINAL: JoshKeller Until I decide that any deer I take with a bow isnt a trophy, I will continue to shoot the deer that gives me the best ethical shot. Whether its a 10 point or a spike. The way I see it, we hunt 1250 acres in texas. None of our neighboring properties allow hunting. So what does anyone else care if I pass on a 1.5 year old buck, or send a broadhead through its vitals? Either way, I wont let you hunt him. Call me selfish, but I work too hard to maintain my land and make it attractive for deer. And Arthur, Double Creek, you guys are welcome anytime as long as you promise that we can grill those tenderloins as soon as you kill a deer. Whether its 1.5 year old or 6 ;) That's a deal!!!!!! ;) |
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ORIGINAL: TXhighrack I'm not much of a venison guy, I might keep half a deer each season even though I kill several deer each year. I like to hunt MATURE trophy bucks. I do my best to make sure that their are many deer of this caliber on my land. I come from a part of the county where managing deer is taken extremely serious and no amount of money or time is spared to accomplish ones goals. Most of you guys would not "fit" down here just like I'm sure I wouldnt mess to well with you and/or your hunting buddies. It all has to do with the area we hunt and the land and average caliber of animals that we see on a regular basis. I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt....... TX, I hate to single you out, but I have one question for you...... Do you even bowhunt? |
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It all has to do with the area we hunt and the land and average caliber of animals that we see on a regular basis. I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt....... "I hunt deer because I love the entire process; the preparations, the excitement, and sustained suspense of trying to match my woodslore against the finely honed instincts of these creatures. On most days spent in the woods, I come home with an honestly earned feeling that something good has taken place. It makes no difference whether I got anything; it has to do with how the day was spent." "Life in the open is one of the finest rewards. I enjoy and become completely immersed in the high challenge and increased opportunity to become for a time a part of nature. Deer hunting is a classical exercise in freedom. It is a return to fundamentals that I instinctively feel are basic and right." "I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow." Fred Bear I believe there is far too much emphasis placed on killing a big buck. I can tell you from experience that the satisfaction and joy of killing a trophy animal is temporary but what Fred is talking about will last a lifetime. If every buck in the woods was a scrawny 4 pt I'd still be out there and I wouldn't be bored. I love hunting! |
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ORIGINAL: zac76156 turtleshell, know why there aren't many mature bucks where your at?? 'Cause people like you kill them before they get mature... Hey, why not just shoot a fawn??? They're really curious and will walk right up on you. The meat is ohh so tender, and they're a lot easier to drag back to the truck. [&:]  |
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ORIGINAL: Sylvan It all has to do with the area we hunt and the land and average caliber of animals that we see on a regular basis. I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt....... "I hunt deer because I love the entire process; the preparations, the excitement, and sustained suspense of trying to match my woodslore against the finely honed instincts of these creatures. On most days spent in the woods, I come home with an honestly earned feeling that something good has taken place. It makes no difference whether I got anything; it has to do with how the day was spent." "Life in the open is one of the finest rewards. I enjoy and become completely immersed in the high challenge and increased opportunity to become for a time a part of nature. Deer hunting is a classical exercise in freedom. It is a return to fundamentals that I instinctively feel are basic and right." "I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow." Fred Bear I believe there is far too much emphasis placed on killing a big buck. I can tell you from experience that the satisfaction and joy of killing a trophy animal is temporary but what Fred is talking about will last a lifetime. If every buck in the woods was a scrawny 4 pt I'd still be out there and I wouldn't be bored. I love hunting! |
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I believe there is far too much emphasis placed on killing a big buck. I can tell you from experience that the satisfaction and joy of killing a trophy animal is temporary but what Fred is talking about will last a lifetime. If every buck in the woods was a scrawny 4 pt I'd still be out there and I wouldn't be bored. I love hunting! |
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I agree, I always have a bunch of guys tell me that there is no big bucks on there land. I ask them what they have shot in the past 10 years and they say "that just it all i ever get is little basket racks" I say well there is your problem let them walk and next year you have bigger bucks. Some people just dont get it. But i have no problem with people that harvest little bucks, just so long as they dont do it on my land which is 125" or bigger;)
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Up in the big woods of the U.P.the buck to doe ratio is way screwed up, and the mature buck to doe ratio is WAY OFF!! I have taken a couple nice 8's the last couple of years, but we manage our land meticulously ad its only my brother, dad, and me that hunt it. It is not at all uncommon to see 25-30 does and only have one buck come through, and that one is very often just a spike or a fork. The Michigan DNR really ties the hands of the hunters though because everyone that buys a license can get 2 buck tags, but you have to enter a lottery for doe tags, and the areas where the tags are available are very limited. In the county where I live, about half of it is 3 points or more to one side, and my good friend has harvest three very nice 8's an one 9 in the 5 years since it started. I am a very firm believer in "Let 'em grow" adn the proof is in the pudding. Before that rule started, the whole area around where they hunt was all very small basket racks if you were lucky, but tons of wierd three and four pointers. I really with the MI DNR would step up and put some more programs in place. There are plenty of meat hunters where I live but they are shooting the spikes and forks to get meat because taking a doe is not an option a lot of the time. I place the responsibility on the hunter to take the deer to manage the herd, but I also think that the state agencies really need to give some help through regulations to try and manage a better herd. Just my $.02 Good luck to everyone this season!!!
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ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC I believe there is far too much emphasis placed on killing a big buck. I can tell you from experience that the satisfaction and joy of killing a trophy animal is temporary but what Fred is talking about will last a lifetime. If every buck in the woods was a scrawny 4 pt I'd still be out there and I wouldn't be bored. I love hunting! |
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I have been letting them go for 5 season and I still don't have a mature deer around here. Let's face it as long as the guns go bang during the rut, there isn't going to be any mature deer around here. So screw it,I think there is going to be at least one less immature buck for the gunners this year.
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Unless your its your first deer or your going hungry, for God sakes is it too much to ask to let the spikes and 4-pointers have a chance to mature?? If you go out hunting and stick a spike rather than the doe standing right next to him, don't expect people like me to "RESPECT" your decision. Things like "I bought my tags" and "I'm gonna fill my freezer with any deer I can" makes hunters look bad... not the guys who couldhavekilled the same spike but choose not too... When I see some experienced 40-year-old hunter checking in his 4 pt at the check station it makes me physically sick. Actually it makes me embarrassed for him. Kinda the equivalent of beating up a sixth grader and being proud of it. Here's an idea, next spike that walks by your stand, draw... aim.... and then back the bow down...Trust me, its a far better feeling than killing it. New Flash.....the hunting world does not revolve around you!!!! If you came to a checking station in my area with that attitude, you would probably leave with some free dental work.......;)I generally do not get fired up about things like this, but your pompass attitude takes the cake. Bored wouldnt be the word, I would be either done hunting completely or putting alot less time/money/effort into it. Some of these guys just need to be taken to the midwest here and they would get an entire different perception. Its all about location folks, some of you dont relize the "hunting" your missing. Killing a deer is a bonus in addition to the expereice of the hunt with Family and friends..................size or sex of the Deer does not come into play.........ever! I honestly feel blessed to be able to enjoy hunting for the simple aspects! When money and the size of the deer killed become the most important things to Hunters, we are all loosing touch with our roots and why Hunting is a positiveand productive past time for our youngsters! Think about the qualities that you want to pass along to your children Is it A. The bigger the better? or B. Have fun and learn to respect time spend in the deer woods with Family Friends and the quarry you are after. I know what I''ll be passing along to my kids................do you? |
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Very well said HuntinGus!!!
My guess is this guy has killed very few, if any,mature bucks.... Prove me wrong..... |
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I would be bored to death if I had to hunt where some of you guys hunt....... |
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"A particular virtue of wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this point"
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