Ethical/Legality?
09-16-2005 | 01:30 PM
#94
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From: Marquette, Michigan
RE: Ethical/Legality?
Like Diesel77, I also wrote my State DNR office, the Wisconsin DNR. My questions is in blue, their reply in red.
If you're hunting legally on a private piece of property, shoot a deer which crosses property lines onto another's private piece of property. You ask the landowner for permission to cross onto their land to retrieve the animal and permission is not permitted. Is there any further means you can persue to retrieve your animal or is your animal lost? If there are any further means, what are they? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
If the land owner will not permit you on their land:
You can not pursue the animal on their property.
No further means to persue the animal.
Thanks Patti
DNR Information.
In Wisconsin, if you're going to be lawful, you're going to loose the animal. I have neighbors who we've had this problem with in the past, have had deer cross the fence, the animal expired within sight, we were not allowed to persue the animal any further. Yet we've found blood trails of deer that have died on our land which have been field dressed then dragged back onto their property, and ever had them drive our property out on one occassion. I guess it's just how some people are, it makes hunting less enjoyable, knowing if your animal runs further than desired you'll be unable to exhaust every means in retreiving, something which I believe is a large part of hunting. It's respectful for the game you're persueing. I'm not sure what the anwer to this question would be in my situation, I know it will happen to me sooner or later, as I enjoy the sport of hunting more and more.
Paul
If you're hunting legally on a private piece of property, shoot a deer which crosses property lines onto another's private piece of property. You ask the landowner for permission to cross onto their land to retrieve the animal and permission is not permitted. Is there any further means you can persue to retrieve your animal or is your animal lost? If there are any further means, what are they? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
If the land owner will not permit you on their land:
You can not pursue the animal on their property.
No further means to persue the animal.
Thanks Patti
DNR Information.
In Wisconsin, if you're going to be lawful, you're going to loose the animal. I have neighbors who we've had this problem with in the past, have had deer cross the fence, the animal expired within sight, we were not allowed to persue the animal any further. Yet we've found blood trails of deer that have died on our land which have been field dressed then dragged back onto their property, and ever had them drive our property out on one occassion. I guess it's just how some people are, it makes hunting less enjoyable, knowing if your animal runs further than desired you'll be unable to exhaust every means in retreiving, something which I believe is a large part of hunting. It's respectful for the game you're persueing. I'm not sure what the anwer to this question would be in my situation, I know it will happen to me sooner or later, as I enjoy the sport of hunting more and more.
Paul
09-16-2005 | 07:36 PM
#95
Nontypical Buck
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From: Wisconsin
RE: Ethical/Legality?
ORIGINAL: Double Creek
Ethics don't mean chit in a court of law........
Ethics don't mean chit in a court of law........
Luckily around here I dont have to worry about it. All the property owners around me have a mutual agreement. I've only heard of one S.O.B.around here as long as I can remember that wouldn't allow anyone access to retrieve an animal. He was denying access and going and getting the deer for himself , without any tags. Last I heard , he got busted with four deer in his freezer and no tags.
I'd still like to hear from those who whine about a neighbor having a stand 40 yards from the property line. I assume that the ones whining dont have any stands within 40 yards or so from their property line??? Did you ever figure out just how much land you own thats useless?
09-16-2005 | 07:51 PM
#96
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From: Inverness, MS
RE: Ethical/Legality?
I don't bitch about hunting on the line...... I know my neighbors do it...... The first few weeks of gun season sounded like the 4th of July on our property lines..... That goes with the territory..... We killed 2 of our bucks within a stone's throw of the property lines..... It goes both ways....
09-16-2005 | 10:50 PM
#97
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RE: Ethical/Legality?
So we have come to the conclusion that it is a personal decision to make by each individual.I guess it really matters what retrieving the deer means to you.If you make the decision to go after it and get caught you can either talk your way out of it by explaining or pay a fine.But it is up to use to do it or not.I wouldnt let anyone's opinion influence you if you did not think the same way before reading all of this thread.Like some of the guys have done it would be best to contact your state DNR and find out the law so you have no doubt as to what you can and cant do.
09-17-2005 | 12:53 AM
#98
Nontypical Buck
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From: Wadena, MN
RE: Ethical/Legality?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
This is another stupid question .Don't hunt near the posted land!!!!!!!!!!!
As a land owner I get this same story every other year.I go with the moron to where he was when he shot the deer ,most times they were standing under one of my No Trespassing Signs at the time they shot.It sure seems strange that a wounded deer aways finds its way just onto posted land before it dies.
Again morons stay away from the line or are you just there to shoot deer off my land.
Better yet buy your own land so I don;t have to keep throwing you off mine.
This is another stupid question .Don't hunt near the posted land!!!!!!!!!!!
As a land owner I get this same story every other year.I go with the moron to where he was when he shot the deer ,most times they were standing under one of my No Trespassing Signs at the time they shot.It sure seems strange that a wounded deer aways finds its way just onto posted land before it dies.
Again morons stay away from the line or are you just there to shoot deer off my land.
Better yet buy your own land so I don;t have to keep throwing you off mine.
This may be the dumbest thing i have read in a long time!
09-17-2005 | 01:02 AM
#99
Nontypical Buck
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From: Wadena, MN
RE: Ethical/Legality?
ORIGINAL: Idaho hunter 58
I don't usually pick out one person and go at them like this, but in this case i can't help myself.
- I have never "here of a realator" before.
&
-Obviously you"cann't spell it out any simpler".
Need I even comment any further?
This must be a joke right? Or another possibility is that you're 12. You are exactly the kind of person that give hunters a bad name.
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But back to the question at hand, I believe that if you shoot a animal legally/ethically, on your property or at a public spot, that you should be able to go and retrieve your animal no matter where it ends up. Period! I don't see the need for four pages of discussion. It is a easy black/white matter that is easy to judge which side is correct and ethical.
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
What are you from the land of OZ orNeverland ? Ever here of a realator.
Here in PA it starts like this.
Get up . Go to School. Get a job . Buy land!
I cann't spell it out for you any simpler.
What are you from the land of OZ orNeverland ? Ever here of a realator.
Here in PA it starts like this.
Get up . Go to School. Get a job . Buy land!
I cann't spell it out for you any simpler.
- I have never "here of a realator" before.
&
-Obviously you"cann't spell it out any simpler".
Need I even comment any further?
This must be a joke right? Or another possibility is that you're 12. You are exactly the kind of person that give hunters a bad name.
__________________________________________________ _____________
But back to the question at hand, I believe that if you shoot a animal legally/ethically, on your property or at a public spot, that you should be able to go and retrieve your animal no matter where it ends up. Period! I don't see the need for four pages of discussion. It is a easy black/white matter that is easy to judge which side is correct and ethical.
09-17-2005 | 01:09 AM
#100
Nontypical Buck
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From: Wadena, MN
RE: Ethical/Legality?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I'm trying to break them all!
Its just that you have to start some where.
Speeding today child molestation tommarrow
But tresspassing is a bad one I'm going to have to work up to that one.
I'm trying to break them all!
Its just that you have to start some where.
Speeding today child molestation tommarrow
But tresspassing is a bad one I'm going to have to work up to that one.