Scentlok Savanna
 

I just bought a savanna suit at the bass pro fall classic. I e-mailed Scentlok to get some tips on caring for, and, using the new suit. In the reply, a lady in their marketing dept, told me not to spray down with scent eliminator. I was shocked. She said it was fine to spray on my boots and equiptment but not on the garment. Does it hurt the suit? I would have sworn I have seen these guys on tv spray up and down with scent eliminators when they are in their suits...Is she right or was I mis-informed? Thanks as always.

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I could understand if she said not to spray the inside of the garment directly onto the Scent Lok liner. But I can't see a reason why you couldn't spray the outer shell. The mist isn't enough liquid to really absorb deep into the garment.

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WholeLottaGobble,

We are sorry if we were unclear on the care of the garment. In a nutshell, it doesn't matter if you spray the whole suit down or not. It is just unecessary. Nothing will be hurt with a scent-eliminating spray. However, we do not recommend spraying ANY scent cover-up on a suit as it will adsorb that smell and leave you less room to adsorb human odors. I personally spray around my boots, hands and neck area a few times during hot days and less on medium to chilly days.

Again nothing will harm your suit, just regenerate it in a household dryer when you can, and always wear a headcover! If you have any other specific questions feel free to P.M. me and I will be gald to help you out.

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Representative's from Scent Lok on the forum? Im not crazy about that. While you're here, how does a dryer reactivate charcoal when it doesn't produce a high enough temperature to do so?

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And the turd hunt begins ...

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Yeah. I am waiting on a response. A lot has been argued on this forum about the validity of your product.


Here is your chance to sell your product to a lot Hunters that are not convinced that it is any better than regular camo.

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I'm going to quote one of Scent-Lok G.Designer's posts from another thread. Hope it answers your question(s).

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PSENJersey,

You are referring to two different things, reactivation and regeneration. Reactivation is basically remaking the activated carbon all over again. To achieve this state you must heat it to over 600° in an very controlled enviroment. Quite different from the household dryer. Regeneration is what we do in the household dryer. Basically this rids the garment of roughly 85-90% of the scent molucules in the garment, but will never totally reactivate a garment.

Scent-Lok and activated carbon is basically a sponge for air. As with the sponge, you wipe up a liquid until it is totally saturated. Liquid will literally fall off the sponge. You then wring out the sponge in the sink to enable it to pick up more liquid. The sponge after wringing is still technically wet, but can pick up more liquid. This is the premise of activated carbon and regeneration; where activated carbon replaces the sponge, the liquid is scent and the process of wringing out the sponge is drying it in the dryer.

Test data You can read the independent lab testing data here.

Many have questioned the validity of our products, so we continue to test our own products and new technologies to validate ourselves. We continually outperform ourselves by investing in better fabrics, technology and forms of carbon. There are people who have had bad experiences and through addressing their specific issues we find our they are not using the entire system as we suggest. This includes jackets, pants, gloves and most importantly a headcover. Also, people wonder why they are getting busted in the Scent-Lok suit that they wore from their garage, stopped and bought some gas and had a couple of smokes on the way to the field. Again it is important to think of activated carbon as a sponge for air, it picks up all scent and the more scent that is present the quicker Scent-Lok and activated carbon will fill up. Lastly, regenerate as often as possible, if you are on a long hunt and away from a dryer, wear the suit only during hunting hours and store it in an airtight bag.

Lastly, Scent-Lok hunting suits and activated carbon will NOT make you 100% scent free. It brings your total scent emitted into your hunting area down below a threshold that will let you go undetected by scent wary animals.

Hopefullly this helps. If anyone has a specific question, feel free to personal message me and I will continue to converse. Many times these forums become a battery of personal attacks, and I will not be a part of it, so as soon as something of that nature occurs I will have to regretfully exit from the conversation. If this conversation stays civil and to the point I will continue with this until there are no more questions.

Thanks for understanding

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I think I just heard atlasman knocking on the door......look out...:D:D

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I think it's pretty cool that a company rep has made himself (or herself) available here to answer questions. You've already answered a few of mine. Thanks.

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Thanks. Some of my replies may take some time to post as this is not my only assingment. But I will help when I can.

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I my self am an advid believer and user of you products. And as you stated I toss my stuff in the dryer when ever possible. I have several pairs of gloves and head cover to alternate with. For those who don't believe, just go hunting a day with a face mask on and breath into it all day after, breakfast, lunch and dinner in a stand, let alone sweating. Put it on the next day for another hunt and see if it doesn't stink. Throw that same head gear in the dryer and it's a totally different story. However I do wash them afterevery other dryer escapade. As far as washing the rest of my scent-lok gear , once maybe twice a season. the dryer takes care of the rest..
Thank you SLGD for the reply.

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Can you please elaborate on the science behind these claims. I don't quite understand how it takes 800 degrees and pyrolysis to restore nearly 100% of the absorptive properties of carbon yet you can get 90% back by putting it in a household dryer. I was also wondering...........wouldn't the dryer need to be scent free also?


Could you provide information or a link to this independent lab testing. There really is no information on the link above as to how, where, and by whom the test was done.


This is what lead me to my above question............your test link above says independent testing and this quote suggests you do the testing yourselves. Just want to clarify.


Going by your above statement that you only get 85-90% back in the dryer and starting at 100% when you get the suit it will only be 50% effective after 4 regenerations and totally ineffective after less then 20.

Suit starts at 100% and you regenerate to 85%
Next regeneration takes you from 85% down to 72.25%
Next regeneration takes you from 72.25% down to 61.41%
Next regeneration takes you from 61.41% to 52.20%.............and so on.

Since you must regenerate when first buying the suit to get all the scent out that was picked up by many people trying the garment on in the store and being handled by the masses.........this only leaves you 3 dryer runs before the suit is half used up.

Please help me out if I am figuring that incorrectly...........but I don't see how you could return to 85-90% each regeneration since if you are starting out at 85-90% after your first cycle that would mean in order to maintain that level you would be getting 100% regeneration from each additional dryer run...........which in turn would make the suits last forever.


I hope you stick around..............I am very interested in this topic and hopefully you can answer some of the questions I have.

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To your first point. Huan scent is not chemically or physically bonded to the activated carbon. On a molecular level activated carbon is basically millions of caves in which scent molecules get "lost" and as they proceed down the caves get "stuck" until the cave fills up. The drying process, and I am going to confirm the scientific name for this, heats the molucules causing them to move and work their way out of the caves. During the first ten minutes or so of a drying cycle with activated carbon in it, the activated carbon is adsorbing scent from the dryer. After this time the airflow and heat reach a point to where this scent being exhumed and exhausted out the vent. Yes, some stays in there and will be adsorbed by the garment again. This accounts for part of the 10-15% that stays in the garment.

Still on your first point, the reactivatiion process (using high heat etc.) gets rid of compounds that have bonded with the activated carbon. Again, this is taken into account for in the 10-15% number.

To your second point, activated carbon has been tested around the world for water filtration, chemical filtering, insoles, and an array of other scientific and commercial industries. These are industries that are completely independent of ours and their testing data shows that activated carbon can adsorb odor and molecules. The testing data shown in the graph is funded by us at a third party laboratory. We cannot show you that actual data as there is confidential information about other technologies in it, even other techologies in this very industry; but showing that data could hurt our partnerships in the long run. I am checking with our lawers to see if I can post the lab, as their may be confidentiality issues, don't count on it though.

However our tests were performed using the Headspace GCMS system to assay odorous compounds after equilibration with various textile substrates. We used an Agilent 6890A gas Chromatograph equipped with an Agilent 5973 Mass Selective Detector, a Leap Technologies Combi Pal Autosampler and a Phenomenex 30m x .53 mm ZB-5, um film column. A 22 mL headspace vials with Teflon-sealed septa. A human scent cocktail containing a mixture of trimethylamine, dimethyl sulfide, isobutyraldehyde, ethanol, isovaleric acid, and limonene. This kind beats non-regenerated suits in a field and boxes huh? javascript:void(AddText(';)'))

Third point I think I addressed as we pay for some and some are independent, but Oaklahoma State has done a lot of testing on this subject as well as many other labs around the world.

Fourth point, the effect you are referring to is not compounded on top of each other. Like a sponge water molecule A,B,C go into a sponge. Wring out Molucule A & B and wipe up more molecules D,E. Wirng out again and molecules C & E are then wrung out leaving now only molecule D. After proper regeneration, 10-15% of total capacity will be filled up, leaving 85-90% to use.

Lastly, the "scientific" study you referred to before has a lot of holes. How old are the suits, how many washes, how were they reactivated, what type of footwear were the subjects wearing, where did they walk before getting into the boxes, did the ATV that took them to the box leave any scent, who lifted the box over the subjects head, were they wearing gloves, what did they touch before they lifetd the boxes. All of these things directly add scent to an area and were not accounted for in the "scientific" test.

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Scent Lok Designer,

Dang, and I thought I was the Lone Ranger around here Mobowhunter and I! Thanks for the imput. I have been field testing your product for 7 years and have witnessed many positive deer, elk and bear behaviors while downwind of me. Along with annual bowharvests Iam confident that your product combined with a meticulous scent minimization regimen will up the odds in any hunting/scouting/glassing/videoing situation of even the most human scent intolerant animals.



Atlas what a change in tone and attitude as I read yournearlyeloquent and curtious questions... I must compliment you...... especially with an obvious paid employee of Scent lok....:DHe just gets paid to say this stuffright?:D

Just think.....rememberthat information I shared with you in regards to regeneration and desorption versus reactivation...the dryer...etc.. may not of been as much of a SCAM orwaste of moneyas you called it. Heck we might even find out that Scent lok does'nt mind us bowhunters field testing thier products for ourselves and giving feedback....beforebelittling it and everyone that choses to use it.

HeyI am still patiently waiting for you toanswer my questions in regards toexperiences/harvests you have personally hadwithmature bucks downwind, bowclose most preferably.....I am asking because I want to know how they reacted to your human scent and what you do to minimize human scent it if anything at all.

6 days and counting... to archery season !

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Excellent post here.

Scent-Lok G.Designer...thanks for the info, very helpful!!!! I too hope you stick around, not just to answer questions either...post away! Good luck.

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Do you have a link to the study you are quoting this from?


I have no doubts of the ability of carbon to absorb...........my questions involve it's ability to keep doing it for long periods of time after being "used up"


Funded by you.........and we can't see the results. Call me skeptical but that isn't very convincing to me. I'm not saying that those aren't really the results...........but basically your above response means I just have to take your word for it.


The equipment list doesn't really help answer anything...........the details of how the "study" was done would be much more helpful ;)


I don't know........you haven't told me anything about your study yet. You just listed some chem lab equipment.


They have done tests on your suits?


I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. If a dryer is unable to remove 15% of scent from the carbon during one cycle why would it be able to do it next time?

If you are saying that a carbon suit can be regenerated to 85% efficiency after EVERY dryer cycle then the suits last forever.

Again, please provide a link to the science you are quoting with these claims.


The same can be said for all of your claims to this point. Where is the study that shows these suits can be regenerated to 85-90% effectiveness in a dryer?........does that go for every dryer?.......every cycle?.......does the scent go out the vent like you said in every dryer after 10 minutes? Does the lint trap have to be empty? How can anyone know if their suit is regenerated or not?

That is why I asked for the study details..........at least the field test study on the dogs was done by someone that has no interest in the outcome either way and all the parameters were laid out for everyone to see........I'm sure the test wasn't perfect as very few are.........to totally discount it as meaningless and offer nothing but a line graph on your site seems a little unfair to me.

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Right.

I have no problem being polite when I feel the respect is mutual.

Yea, I remember.............and I am still waiting on the science to back it up. All you offered was a D+DH article. It may not have been.........but it still may be. I haven't seen anything yet that would change my opinion.


Of course they wouldn't mind...........if you're testing it.......you bought it ;) Plenty of people have posted on this forum saying that they wore carbon suits and they didn't work at all............aren't you belittling them with your above comments?


And like I told you already...........answer the questions I posed to you first and then I will answer your questions.

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Scent-Lock G. Designer,

Great to hear what you have to say about scent containment systems. I am a believer in this technology.

I have always been very weary of my scent trail (no cologne from September to January, wash in scent free soap only from September to January, wash ALL garments in scent free sport wash, etc.) and I have always been able to get fairly close to animals. I was sceptical, but when I did begin using the suit I was even more impressed at how close game would come.

For instance, last fall: I hadmultiple deer throughout the season come under my stand (±2') and not flinch an inch. I had a mature 8 pt. come under my stand and smell my step then procede to walk about 15 yards away and lay down for a nap. I could go on and on but this stuff does work.

It would be good to hear some other peoples experiences because I cannot be the only one.

Thanks G.D.

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G. Designer, How long does an activated carbon suit typically last? Is there any tests that we can do ourselves to check that the suit is still working?

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No one doubts the adsorbing part at least intially. It's the what to do when it rapily becomes saturated part that's the problem..

I was a LevelIII surface water treament plant operator for many years.In fact Iran my home towns water treatment plant. A position that required me to obtain a degree in Water Chemistry which I completed in 1987. We used activated carbon filters in the water purification process and I am quite familiar with the basic principles of this material. Activated carbon can not be reactivated or 90 percent regenerated by a common household dryer and I would love to see a link to a credible scientific study that says otherwise. In fact in the terms reactivation and regeneration are used in basically an interchangable fashion within the carbon reactivation industry although there are some minor technical differences. For example reactivation which is usually done in a low oxygen atmosphere at a temp of 1400 degrees will almost always produce measurable changes in pore structure, due to an additional oxidative sculpturing of the carbon surface. While some regeneration canbe obtainedthrough the use of intense scaldingly hot steam to simply convert type II receptor sites to less active but functional type I receptor sites. In either case however we are talking about temps hell and gone above what a household dryer is capable of producing. Why on earth would any company suffer the enormous expense of sendingsaturated carbon back to one of the many companies out there in the business of reactivating it if they could obtain 80 to 90 percent regeneration by merely subjecting it to the heat level of a household dryer? They would have to be idiots. And they're not.

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Hey boys, let's not totally distroy his product and run him off, I think it's great that we have someone from the company on the forum who can answer some questions maybe not all but who can. Let's try to keep him here!!!!

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I too would like to know what kind of life to expect from my scent-lok clothing. This season will be my 4th season with mine and I wash & dry it probably 5-7 times each season.
Is it time for a new one? ( I do believe they work)
How do I know when it is time for a new one?

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MJR...don't worry about it. It's as good as it was 3 years ago.[&:] The deer that didn't smell you last year still won't.[8D] The problem being with these things, they wear out real fast. Throw in an accidental dose of sweat, fatty acids, oils etc etc and it's shot. IT may beable to purge itself of some "Scent molecules" but it can't get rid of non-volitile substances that vaporize at a much higher temperature than you get from a home dryer. Hunt the wind and be happy. And such things as Scentlok boots are a total waste of money. All it does is add another 50-75 dollars to the cost. As you may have guessed, I come from the Atlasman School of Science. I used activated carbon for 30 years in the dry cleaning industry. I wouldn't count on it to last long as a scent eliminator. Hunt the wind Grasshopper.

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The whole selling point to me on a Scentlok suit is because not only one but 3 different, experienced bowhunters, with many trophy kills on their wall told me that without a doubt the suit makes a difference. They were positively sure that less deer winded them than should have like they would have in their old camo. I don't need all the fancy stats and polls and studies. You give me 2 or 3 hunters I respect reccommend something that is gonna give me an edge on a mature buck and you can bet I am gonna try my best to use one myself. By the way for all you guys knocking the suits...Have you ever even used one?

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1. No we are not going to publish the raw data as some information in that would break confidentiality agreements. Sorry.

2. Again the chart on our science page shows that. We did not alter the look of the data, just made it simpler to read and omitted any items related to confidentality.

3. Who would fund it. Our product is not a matter of public safety. I don't care to convince you as your mind is already made up. You chose your lone opinions and a "scientific" expiemenrt that holds no scientific merit. Why would I lie, to sell one suit to a guy that has his mind made up well before this conversation? I don't think so.

4. Headspace GMCS is the method of testing. I have listed the equipment for you to try it at home if you please.

5. They published a book that outlined the system for measurment and how to isolate the chemicals coming off a human body. "Biochemical Applications of Mass Spectrometry" Good read! We took their information and subjucted our products for measurement.

6. Another way to put is say the sponge wipes up yellow liquid. Then you wring out the sponge and yellow liquid comes out. Now the sponge is 85% dry. Next you wipe up blue liquid. Wring it out and not the liquid coming out is green. Not fully blue not fully yellow but a blue-green. Same principle.

7. Actually lab testing is a far cry from dogs in a field. We measure tiny amounts of molecules with errors virtually nonexistent. Your repors states a 10-20% variance. WOW! In the labe we tested it in a drying chamber because of the small quantities we are using. However we have sent in test samples from an array of sources and got basically the same results in a plus or minus 2.5% area. If you want to obsess over your lint trap instead of practicing your shot go ahead.

8. Your writer definately had intrest in the subject. He is a "canine expert" dabbeling in carbon technology. Why is that. Oh I see in paragraph three his writing sure sounds pretty bias. But again I am done arguing this point because there is no scientific merit to this article.

Lastly, from all your previous posts you have you mind made up. So I am going to exit my conversation with you. I have listed the lab equipment and methods for duplicating the tests; also I don't think anything, including showing you the tests, and jeopardizing our relationships in various industries, we run in labs around the world would change that. Thanks.

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The length of a suit has to do with washings not regeneration cycles. Out to twenty washings you are good to go, after that point we start seeing a falll off in effrectivness. I would not wear a suit past twenty three to twenty five washings. Yes, sweat and fats do not always come fully out after total saturation, this is a great time to wash it. In Louisana humidity and heat after a week I wash it. That short of period is the shortest timespan that I have ever had to wash it. People in high temperature areas of the country, need to wash theirs three to four times a season average. For us upin the northern and midwestern states twice is sufficient.

Again, as I have posted before. With proper care an activated carbon suit's fabric construction would wear out before the carbon is rendered ineffective.

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Todd1700,


I see you have some history with activated carbon, and thanks for the post. You bring up a good point but in your line of work, it is a matter of public safety and they takes every percaution to ensure total reactivation.

We are talking the difference between washing dishes in a dishwasher and using an autoclave system to do surgery.

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i purchased a scent lok suit last season and saw more deer up close than ever before. many of them directly downwind, none of them spooked or blew.if tou havent tryed it dont badmouth it

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Thanks for the suppot all of you. It's good to hear from ya and I sure know how you guys get attacked on this board. Good Luck and Good Hunting!

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You keep talking about sponges and water. Thisis ,in my opinion, a poor example for comparison. A sponge soaks up water bythe process of absorption where as activated carbon works by the process of adsorption.They sound very similar (look similar too as they only have one letter different) but they are completely different processes. To be more precise , the difference between adsorption and absorption is that adsorption is the attraction between the outer surface of a solid particle and a contaminant, whereas absorption is the uptake of the contaminant into the physical structure of the solid. In absorbtion theliquid has simply been drawn inside the physical structure of the sponge and held there by weak Van der Waals type forces. It is therefore easily expelled by even a gentle sqeeze. In adsorbtion the organic compounds haveformed a physicochemical bondto a receptor site on the surface of the carbon. This bond is not easily broken.

So let me get this straight. You claim that Scent-Lok has scientificdata backing all your claims butthey just can't release it to the general public due to confidentality agreements.With who? That really doesn't seem to make any sense. If it's raw scientific data about your own product how can you be restricted from the free and open use of that information? The only entity that could impose such a restriction would be Scent-Lok.

Again no one doubts that virgin uncontaminated activated carbon will adsorb molecules that cause odor. The questionsare: A. How rapidly does it become saturated? I mean even at the time of intial purchase it's already been hanging on arack exposed toopen air for maybe months. It's been exposed to every browser passing by wearing perfume/cologne; wearinggrease, chemical or gas soaked clothing; and people withjust plain bad body odor. And B. How can it be reactivated by a common house dryer when everything I know and science tells us about the properties of activated carbon indicate that this is impossible.

Yeah but the difference is that a dishwasher actually works to remove food particles and enough bacteria from pots and pans to make them safe for home use again. A household dryer doesn't get hot enough to regenerate activated carbon. So you see your claim is actually more like telling me that I could actually use my dishwasher as an autoclave. Something I know it can't do!

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This feels way too much like science class.

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I here ya PSE

If you don't believe in the stuff, then don't buy it and you don't have to worry about it. If you believe in it, buy it. I don't know why we need to sit here and debate it, those of you that have allready made up your minds are never going to change your mind anyways.

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Amen. I had a lot more written befor I saw your reply. But you said it best. I still think event after our raw testing was out that you still would not believe.

I do have another refrence for you in the "Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology" 4 Ed. vol. 4. gives two examples of how activated carbon can be "wrung out", even by using nothing more then a vacuum. Also, the technical notes of Rohm and Haas's Ambersorb, Carbonaceous Adsorbents (Aug. 1992) reveals 85-90% contaminant removal can be done at dryer temperatures.

Thanks again for the post.

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It amazes me that information and experiences like these..........along with proven scientific facts are discounted by so many.........yet they have no problem accepting stories of deer downwind and random observations in the woods as more reliable information.

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Perfect example ;)



Nothing personal wholelottagobble..............just using your quote as an example because it is the first one I noticed that illustrated what I said above.

How were they positively sure less deer winded them?

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A company that has proof it's product works.............and knows very well that many question that claim.........yet they won't publish the information?? Sounds weird. I would think that if there was proof that the suits worked it would be in full page ads in every hunting magazine out there.


It's just a line graph.............without all the information that went into coming up with that data it is meaningless. The first thing anyone in the scientific community would ask you is "How did you come up with these figures?"

I highly doubt that if you thought my opinions were "lone".......that you would be here ;)

You continue to poke at the study that showed the scent suits had no effect on animals ability to smell the wearer as not scientific.........at least it is all out in the open for everyone to see and then decide for themselves if the results are worthy of merit or not. All you have provided is a line graph and a list of chemistry lab equipment. Labeling his study as worthless and then providing nothing of your own to back those statements up is not fair IMO.


No one called you a liar.

My mind is made up based on all the facts currently available on this subject. I don't "believe".........and I don't put "faith" in what people tell me a product can and will do. I am a detail focused person and I just want black and white proof. Either it does it or it doesn't. Don't tell me a bow shoots 300 fps.........I will believe the chrono before I believe a magazine cover.

Again, no one is calling you a liar............I just don't like taking people's word for things........ESPECIALLY when they are trying to sell me something.

You are saying a lot...........but you haven't proven anything.


You are selling the product..........I shouldn't have to test it for you. Not only that........these are the kinds of comments you asked others not to send your way or you would leave. I think you should give everyone else here the same respect you asked for and leave snide remarks like this out.

Again we are left with taking your word for it as the only option.

Why is it when someone questions one of your claims it is "obsessing" but when you rattled off 20 questions about the dog study it was ok??


How can you call bias on someone when the only info you have quoted comes from the company website??........that is the definition of bias. There is no scientific merit to anything you have said in this entire thread either without factual data to back it up. All you have done is said a lot of stuff and asked people to take your word for it.


You said yourself that your product is not a matter of public safety and yet you treat these lab tests as if they are national secrets...........why on earth would a company agree to have testing done if they knew they could not publish the results??

RE: Scentlok Savanna
 

What does washing your suit do to it that decreases it's effectiveness??

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If you don't believe in it..........don't buy it?? You really think that is a good philosophy?

Should you be required to "believe" in a product?

Does Summit ask us to "believe" the tensile strength of their cables or the weight capacity??

Does Bowtech ask us to "believe" the speeds they say their bows put out??

Does Rocky ask us to "believe" their boots are waterproof and warm??

RE: Scentlok Savanna
 

Hey Scent-Lok G.,

Welcome. Good post. I don't own a suit but have pondered it often. I have a friend who bought one last year and is absolutely sold on his. I'm pretty sure he doesn't know or care how it works or really even if it does. Let's just say it has become his new "lucky" hunting suit in which he seems to see more deer and closer. I think I may never buy one, not because I doubt they have some effectiveness, but moreso because they just seem too expensive. I try to get out alot and being so dang hot here in Texas, it seems like I'd be wearing a suit out pretty quick. Anyway, good luck and hope you stick around and enjoy.